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Deletion of MGQ

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Given that the last thread was staff only, so too shall this one: STAFF ONLY. You may comment as a regular user assuming you are given permission to do so by a staff member (you may ask a staff member via their walls if needed). Given the discussion that led up to this thread's creation, I am hereby giving permission to Agnaa, DaReaperMan, and ApiesDeathByLazors, if they so choose. I'll ignore the other verse that was mentioned as this thread is solely regarding the deletion of MGQ, with the possibility to discuss deletion of similar verses (HuniePop, for example) in the future after the main discussion topic has reached its end.

The Claim: Monster Girl Quest!, as a verse, violates our rules and is pornography-centric. Despite claims to the contrary, the intent of the game is to reach (content warning) pornographic scenes in which you, the protagonist, are raped and molested by the various other characters of the game. The fact that a story is written to prop up this core gameplay mechanic doesn't change said intent.

Multiple sites advertise this game as a game built to be sexual. Not just the original, the whole series (the last link in particular regards the most recent title). These are just the top links on Google, mind you, when searching for "Monster Girl Quest Download".

Read the comment section. The purpose of the game becomes clear despite what some on this wiki would like to portray. This place too. You could be led to believe that there is discussion on the lore- and this is true! However, this does not change the core intent of the game. Plus it discusses the core intent too.

Our policies are clear. Sex is the primary focus of Monster Girl Quest, every single source outside of those on our own wiki presents it as such. The quantity of writing added onto this (the constantly quoted aspect of the game that has allowed it to thus far survive) is irrelevant.

For those of you believing the old thread from 2019 reviewed this topic sufficiently: this is not the case. The thread died slowly as people drifted off, much like many of our staff discussion threads. Rules and exceptions were made arbitrarily, it seems to me. Let's rectify this and just remove the obvious ****.

Just to ping some of you that were interested in discussion (one way or another) from 2019 that are still around, @Saikou_The_Lewd_King @AKM sama @WeeklyBattles @Moritzva @DarkDragonMedeus Foregoing mentioning Prom as she tends to be busy and foregoing mentioning Sera since, per her own admission, she knows literally nothing about the verse and was just asked to make a scale and pin MGQ on it. If I missed somebody, my b.
 
I've already made my opinion clear, and my scythe will not be buried. I believe that the verse should be deleted
 
Neutral for now, waiting on input from more staff members.
 
Well, if it's getting a new evaluation because of new information then that's that. I don't see any bad arguments here, but I don't know enough about the source material to weigh in.
 
Well, if it's getting a new evaluation because of new information then that's that. I don't see any bad arguments here, but I don't know enough about the source material to weigh in.
Then I won't expect you to. My knowledge of the source is purely that which is drummed up from sources listed above as well as others further down the "Monster Girl Quest ____" google searches.
 
Did people here actually support the addition of a verse that involves multiple instances of a clearly underage-looking boy? You know what I mean by this.

The verse should probably be removed from this site entirely since it speaks a lot about the people who played this "game" enough times to actually make profiles for it.
 
Well if sex is in fact the main thing for this series then it should be nuked, I never touched this games so I can't really comment if this's true or not
We should probably get Saikou to comment on this thread
They haven't been active in two weeks and their opinion on the matter is vulgar to say the least...
 
Well if sex is in fact the main thing for this series then it should be nuked, I never touched this games so I can't really comment if this's true or not
We should probably get Saikou to comment on this thread
You're free to read the links. It is the entire purpose. It has lore, I'm not denying that it does- I'm arguing that regardless of how much lore is piled on, the verse's main point is pornography.
 
Also, regarding Saikou:

”tell them to go **** themselves
to read all the threads that has been made over it
and to stop sucking fandom's ****”

this is supposedly his take on this.
 
I would also much prefer if this verse is deleted. For one thing, I have been told that the game largely concerns extreme sexual content, including rape perpetrated against and by a 14 year old, mixed with various strange fetisches, such as a "reverse mermaid" (a woman whose upper body is a fish, but the lower looks human), if I do not misremember, which breaks our rules; and for the second, it gives our wiki a considerably worse reputation to keep it.
 
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Promestein also seemed to agree in the deletion requests thread btw.
 
Should I ask the other bureaucrats, consultants, and administrators to comment here?
 
However, it is very important that we do not make any disparaging comments about Saikou. He has faithfully worked hard to help out for a long time in this community.
 
Should I ask the other bureaucrats, consultants, and administrators to comment here?
Up to you whether or not that's needed. I think the only staff member remaining that defended its existence explicitly is Saikou, given that Matt retired.
 
I stand by what I said in 2019. There is news that even Fandom is thinking of removing wikis and content related to such games, more specifically, MGQ. But irrespective of what they decide, I am opposed to having anything termed as "****/**** game" in the wiki, it doesn't matter if the page is SFW. Ecchi should be the limit, anything beyond ecchi is where I'd draw the line. And according to our standards too, it should be patent that MGQ is Level 4: Extreme.

Some arguments were brought up last time to suggest that it does not count as a **** game, and even if it does, it's different because it has story and it is "plot with ****". I disagreed with them. No matter where you look, MGQ is mostly considered as a **** game by almost everyone. And it does not matter if a **** game has more story or less, it's still ****. The logic that is "this **** game has more story content and less **** than this other game so the first one is okay but not the second one" is highly subjective and invites double standards. Like, many **** games, hentai series, and actual **** out there have plot, stories and characters that can validate profiles for them by that logic. At the end of the day, it is still "**** with a plot", that's why it's called "****" game. And going by the information presented above about an underaged looking boy, rape, etc. I am getting a deja vu about similar arguments that were used to disallow the addition of CoC.

This is also one reason I was against allowing any **** game to begin with. The constant debate of allowing or not allowing MGQ and other related series is not worth it imo.
 
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First off, can we just stop bringing up Redo? It's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Redo is disgusting, but it's not ****.

Second, **** games, much less ones that blatantly feature content with minors/shotas, shouldn't be allowed. I... really can't elaborate much more than this. I'm quite doubtful that even games past the first improve much in this vein, and I swear to god I'll play the damn series myself to prove the point.
 
First off, can we just stop bringing up Redo? It's completely irrelevant to this discussion. Redo is disgusting, but it's not ****.

Second, **** games, much less ones that blatantly feature content with minors/shotas, shouldn't be allowed. I... really can't elaborate much more than this. I'm quite doubtful that even games past the first improve much in this vein, and I swear to god I'll play the damn series myself to prove the point.
Agreed, I hate Redo but not much can be done about it until it goes all the way into **** territory

I could not agree with this more.
 
Looks like there is 32 pages here associated with the verse. If the consensus is to delete, I'm happy to go through them and delete them / remove the links to them from other pages.
 
Alright so I have asked @Antvasima for permission to leave a comment on this thread and give my opinion on MGQ being deleted or not so this is my opinion on the matter, and I was told to not comment anything else so unless I am allowed to keep commenting this will be my only comment here:
I am also in agreement with MGQ being deleted from the website not just because of the explicit **** rampant throughout the series, but also because of the death scenes which are also connected to the ****. See in MGQ whenever you lose to a monster girl it generally will play a death scene where the monster who the main character, Luka, lost against will have sex with him to the point that leads to his death and this can range from being mild to downright horrific. Now to give an example I can remember (as it's been awhile since I played this game), one death scene that happens in the later half of MGQ involves Luka being shrunk down to a tiny size by the monster girl he's fighting, and having be screwed and eaten alive by her teddy bear which is actually an Eldritch horror full of tentacles and teeth which we see on screen. Of course I'm not sure if this was in the first or later games, but I know with certainty that is in the series and is not the only death scene which is that bad which is why I think that MGQ being deleted is fair course.
 
As someone who has made like 1/4 of the VN verses on here, it's pretty easy to tell the difference between eroge and nukige. First, when you search it up a site like vndb, is the first picture there hidden or not? If it is it might be something suggestive like a pic of underwear or might be full on ****, if it's the latter you have a nukige.

Next the game description, if it mentions anything about sex there, the goal of the game is to highlight that, which i actually checked, and monmusus explicitly talks about pleasure and what not.

Now mentioning sex isn't immediately a disqualifier, the mc might just be a pervert who wants to have sex, but another thing is whether the game has an "All Ages" version, in other words is it marketed for people beyond just adults, and monmusu doesn't even have that from checking.

Any one of these things isn't an immediate disqualifier, but together, they are. Last but not least, is how the sex is used in the game, is it the focus or not. Having a mechanic in the game where losing=rape, is pretty big evidence of that being the case.

I have made VN verses which don't have All Age version, but the sex in those only happen as a result of a progression of the relationship between the characters, not just you lose a fight, sex happens, in some of them such as Trample on Schatten, the sex is mostly actually relevant to the plot ie one sex scene for example had major consequences for 2 characters.
 
Did people here actually support the addition of a verse that involves multiple instances of a clearly underage-looking boy?
including rape perpetrated against and by a 14 year old
As someone who tried the game, I can correct this statements: Luca is an adult, he's not 14, we're explicity told this. This is just being mixed up with Redo, the other series that got brought up on during the discussion, which DOES have rape involving a 14 years old.

On the topic at hand, I agree with deletion of the verse.
 
I am against delting it! There have been dozens of threads before where people argued why it should be accepted and I think its fine as it currently stands.
 
It seems like a waste to delete the pages as someone took the time to play the game, scale all those characters and then make all their pages also the verse page.
 
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