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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Emirp sumitpo said:
Ok, so I haven't done my opinion on the analysis, so here it is.

It's fine, could be better, but it's not bad imo.

I liked that they really went in depth with the character histories and their meaning and symbology.

I think Goku is fine for the most part, but the biggest disappointment is how little they actually cover the Heroes stuff. It feels pretty lack luster, especially in comparison to Superman's. I disagree with some things, such as the macrocosm sizes and the hit time skip feat, but overall his analysis was just fine.

Superman's was good and I liked how in depth they went with him, but some problems.

I don't like the idea of him scaling to the Flash, while one could argue he should at least downscale, it's made pretty clear that the main Flashes are faster than he is. Plus Superman has other Immeasurable speed stuff to scale to so scaling to the Flash was not really necessary.

I mentioned the World Forger feat already, this isn't really applicable to Supes' base stats as it was done in the sixth dimension. However, Superman does have some other 2-A to Tier 1 feats I'm surprised Death Battle never even mentioned, like when an emotional Pre Crisis Superman nearly destroyed heaven, to the point the spectre needed to stop him. Or him fighting Jaxxon when he erased all future timelines. Or him defeating an Anti-Life amped Darkseid with the power of hope.

Also the Anti-Matter universe is technically a 2-A feat, but Superman defeated the Anti-Monitor before he could fully absorb it in it's entirety so the validity of it scaling is eh.

So yeah, in terms of high ends, I think Superman beating Goku is somewhat legit, even if I personally think they're not very consistent. A lot of these high ends are treated as Superman at his absolute peak in universe, so they're not scalable to other characters.

Overall, I'd give the analysis a roughly 8/10?
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Can you expand or link where you talk about the World Forger feat and the sixth dimension thing and why it is invalid?
So i can get info on that.
 
THE_EINSTEINER said:
Can you expand or link where you talk about the World Forger feat and the sixth dimension thing and why it is invalid?
So i can get info on that.
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I mean I could just link the story

But basically, the story where it comes from takes place within the sixth dimension. And the sun's that Superman dipped in came from sixth dimension. It's not really applicable to his base self
 
I wonder, are there any good Touhou matchups were the Touhou character is pitted against someone who will pull the views towards the episode?

I want to know what I should start shilling. (I'd shill Rachel vs Remilia but nobody knows who Rachel is)
 


I feel people who complain about "Comic writers only do over the top feats for powerscaling brainrot" have the same amount of brainrot as powerscalers, like have you considered the fact that Superman rewriting reality with punches was written because it's just cool as shit?
 
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I feel people who complain about "Comic writers only do over the top feats for powerscaling brainrot" have the same amount of brainrot as powerscalers, like have you considered the fact that Superman rewriting reality with punches was fine because it's just cool as shit?
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Personally I'm fine with special but I think an overuse of it can be detrimental to the core ideas of a character. The idea of such characters being higher dimensional modern day god kinda misses the whole point of characters like Superman and after a point is has a negative impact on his normal stories.
 
Chariot190 said:
He does get 6D when sun dipped in the 6th dimension using 6D suns, in the feat in question
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So did yall miss the black boxes or qnas on how “5D” and “6D” within DC are misnomers because the 5th dimension in DC is beyond the bounds of the bleed which is infinite dimensional? He’s stated to regularly match and fight Myxy who would be beyond that and was capable of destroying the infinite multiverse, the infinite dimensional bleed, the sphere of the gods outside of it… etc.

And then the world forger is like infinitely beyond him. Supes basically got put at minimum infinite dimensional, at max some unknown amount of layers into outer lol
 
I kind of want to see Fu vs Superboy Prime so I hope them going "No more Saiyans vs Kryptonians" doesn't invalidate that. The guy technically has Saiyan DNA so...oh well. We'll see.
 
Tots_Real said:
Personally I'm fine with special but I think an overuse of it can be detrimental to the core ideas of a character. The idea of such characters being higher dimensional modern day god kinda misses the whole point of characters like Superman and after a point is has a negative impact on his normal stories.
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I mean in the case of the eldritch god Kryptonian thing, I think that plot point was more just a literal metaphor to describe Clark's internal struggle, so it did kinda serve the story?
 
Dienomite22 said:
Is it like, stated the sun was 6-D or something? or is this a joke?

I don't read comic shit but why would he narratively be placed in a dimension with 6-D suns when he wasn't supposed to escape from said dimension?
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Because he was in the sixth dimension, so logically everything in it is 6-D.

Also there were 6-D suns, it's just that they were too far for him to reach. World Forger just trapped on a very isolated planet.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:


I feel people who complain about "Comic writers only do over the top feats for powerscaling brainrot" have the same amount of brainrot as powerscalers, like have you considered the fact that Superman rewriting reality with punches was fine because it's just cool as shit?
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Idk, there's... partly a decent point in both the OP and QRT here. Both Western Comic and Japanese Manga writers are becoming more cognisant of the overlap between feats and their narrative weight, which is why you see people dip their toes more in these 'galaxies as petty cash' mentalities.

This is one of the reasons that I dismiss JRPG (Xeno/SMT come to mind) wank on narrative grounds. The only real difference between Xeno/DC/DB etc. is medium.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
So did yall miss the black boxes or qnas on how “5D” and “6D” within DC are misnomers because the 5th dimension in DC is beyond the bounds of the bleed which is infinite dimensional? He’s stated to regularly match and fight Myxy who would be beyond that and was capable of destroying the infinite multiverse, the infinite dimensional bleed, the sphere of the gods outside of it… etc.

And then the world forger is like infinitely beyond him. Supes basically got put at minimum infinite dimensional, at max some unknown amount of layers into outer lol
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Ok? The sun dip feat, which Robo asked about, involved 6D suns in the 6th dimension, I wasn't at any point talking about whatever DB themselves put them at or extrapolation technicalities, just that that shit don't scale to base or even a normal dip because he dipped in 6D suns 🗿
 
Jasonsith said:
Goku VS Superman (Dragon Ball VS DC Comics) | DEATH BATTLE!
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THE honoured one.

Now, see how fast it gets to the 2m and 2.5m range
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Goku VS Superman (Dragon Ball VS DC Comics) | DEATH BATTLE!
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Slowing down... Still.
 
Jasonsith said:
Will it affect composite Janemba vs composite Utsuho Reiuji?

(Not that Janemba vs Utsuho Reiuji can match Hit vs Sakuya Izayoi in "popularity" but it is weird when Janemba vs Utsuho Reiuji has more close connections than Hit vs Sakuya Izayoi.)
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I haven't kept up with that MU, and have no idea who the hell Utsuho is, lol.
 
OverlordDonnelly said:
I'm pretty sure she has insta-rez ability cards now that also transmogrify nearby enemies.

Also, her timestop is layered. So that's another thing.

And there's a lot of other things that aren't on her profile or anyone else's profile yet.

Immeasurable DBS is just weird though. Can't say I agree with their reasoning for it.
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You can say that, but lets be real, Death Battle won't take that shit seriously, even if that's the case. If they do, though, given they believe in Goku forcing himself into the future, the fact that Hit still stopped him after evolving again, would get taken into account to either say they're equal, or potentially his is superior(seriously, Hit's timeskip, by death battle's logic, can now timestop characters with immeasurable speed. Unreal, lmao). Also, even if you get 'other things' bought here on the wiki, that also doesn't mean they'd get bought by death battle, either. As for the insta-rez, assuming that's actually true, I'm assuming that's a new thing she's recently gotten?

As for immeasurable speed DBS, well no duh, you don't agree, lol. Look what they used, the mainly dub-exclusive Goku forcing himself into the future, and base, exhausted Goku reacting to sentient timeline Zamasu's attacks. The latter being ultra insane, due to transformation stacking on top of that. The speed buff they gave DBS dead ass ain't even fair, lol.
 
Derpmaster9000 said:
You can say that, but lets be real, Death Battle won't take that shit seriously, even if that's the case. If they do, though, given they believe in Goku forcing himself into the future, the fact that Hit still stopped him after evolving again, would get taken into account to either say they're equal, or potentially his is superior(seriously, Hit's timeskip, by death battle's logic, can now timestop characters with immeasurable speed. Unreal, lmao). Also, even if you get 'other things' bought here on the wiki, that also doesn't mean they'd get bought by death battle, either. As for the insta-rez, assuming that's actually true, I'm assuming that's a new thing she's recently gotten?
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I really doubt they'd use SDBH for a Sakuya vs Hit episode but I think it's worth noting that SDBH Hit did freeze SDBH Zamasu, SDBH Jiren and SDBH Base Goku when Zamasu fought on par with Jiren.
 
Keep in mind the stat hax and DBH exclusive abilities they gave Goku (and so future other DBH characters) would be a huge problem for a lot of characters. It just didn't matter for Superman at all so it got delegated to Black Box info 😭
 
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