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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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A_Stoned_Orc said:
Mathematic estimates of a lightsaber's heat based upon performance in cinema (cutting through blast doors and cleanly cleaving rock in seconds) place it within the 8k-25k degrees Celsius range. Amaterasu performs similarly. I would assume they're close in temperature given similar feats.

Also, pretty sure the Force can't be equalized to senjutsu because it's mechanically different--while both permeate the physical world in their respective canons, senjutsu chakra exists in other dimensions, whereas the Force doesn't exist in places like hyperspace, or at least, Force users can't sense others in hyperspace, IIRC? Also, Force doesn't turn you into a statue if you can't wield its power properly. Force is best equated to standard chakra.
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huh?The Force exists on other dimesions, Obi Wan literally sensed the destruction of alderaan while on hyperspace, Palpatine attacked Ezra and Ahsoka who were on the world between worlds, Mortis is separate dimension, Luke created sound on hyperspace while he was stuck on a pocket dimension, and Vader pulled a ship out of hyperspace in his VR game.


Did you ignore the part where I said ligthsabers are comparable to stars core?
 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Imagine if the Phoenix Force makes Jean mentally unstable and Raven wins purely based on that
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Boomstick: Not only could it (Raven and her soul self) absorb Twilight's powers and emotions, and not only was it capable of operating even when Raven was unconscious, but it also made a mean dive-bomber.

(From Raven vs Twilight Sparkle)
 
Chronicplane said:
Gaara definitely deserves to comeback, if nothing else than to be given a modern and up to date analysis regardless of what his opponents might be.
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A_Stoned_Orc said:
Every single ability you listed and explained is a potential application of standard genjutsu, which all ninja are taught how to resist and dispell in the Academy. None of it gives particular confidence towards resisting IT, which is such a complete hypnosis that even users of the Byakugan (which is similarly a hard counter to illusions and mind manip) were ensnared, and it was believed even Sasuke with his Rinnegan would have been if not for Susano'o.


Fair enough on the dark dimension stuff.


Disagree. Amaterasu's exact temperature is unknown and it has performed similarly to lightsabers, the latter of which have been calc'd (albeit off site) at 8k-25k Celsius based on its displayed ability to cut through stone and blast doors with ease--feats that Amaterasu replicates easily. Both the lightsaber and Amaterasu have canonical statements comparing their heat to a star's.
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When has a genjutsu done something similar to Force insanity and Horror? The former sends visions of the "infinite" to the victims minds.

Also the Amaterasu is only comparable to sun's surface but Ligthsabers are comparable to the core. There is a diffrence
 
A_Stoned_Orc said:
Every single ability you listed and explained is a potential application of standard genjutsu, which all ninja are taught how to resist and dispell in the Academy. None of it gives particular confidence towards resisting IT, which is such a complete hypnosis that even users of the Byakugan (which is similarly a hard counter to illusions and mind manip) were ensnared, and it was believed even Sasuke with his Rinnegan would have been if not for Susano'o.
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Kek, just 'no', best argument. Also just ignoring how Vader has a bare minimum of half a dozen layers of mind resistance just from the lowest levels of mind resistance that trainees get from learning how to resist all but the most advanced techniques listed.
A_Stoned_Orc said:
Disagree. Amaterasu's exact temperature is unknown and it has performed similarly to lightsabers, the latter of which have been calc'd (albeit off site) at 8k-25k Celsius based on its displayed ability to cut through stone and blast doors with ease--feats that Amaterasu replicates easily. Both the lightsaber and Amaterasu have canonical statements comparing their heat to a star's.
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Its not unknown, it is stated to be as hot as the sun, which even low-end lightsaber heat estimations are hotter than. You arejust flat out ignoring that Lightsabers are hotter than even the highest estimation for Amaterasu's heat.
A_Stoned_Orc said:
Most notably, senjutsu chakra is fundamentally different from the Force in that it has different prerequisites, requiring one to balance and mold their inner chakra with natural energy by remaining perfectly still to draw in the energy first. Simply opening oneself to natural energy opens up the possibility of the user changing shape into an animal and petrifying at the same time. Attempting to absorb a Sage's chakra can turn another to stone. The Force has no equivalent mechanic/caveat, requires no mixing with another internal energy, and while Force sensitivity is a genetic trait, with multiple notable Force Sensitives that figured out how to control their Force abilities on their own, the ability to absorb natural energy and create Sage Chakra has to be strictly learned (unless you get the bite from the Great Snake Sage, anyway).
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Tell me you dont know how the Force works without telling me you dnot know how the Force works

The Force as an energy system does in fact require one to balance their energy as there are techniques that balance Light and Dark sides of the Force, with too much to one side risking permanent corruption of the user to that side of the Force. Doggo posted an entire blog about how the two systems are similar enough to be equalized in a Versus sense.
 
As for DB accuracy, if you give benefit of doubt, then its in 80%+, but I feel like if you do not give benefit of doubt and always go for worst interpretation, it could get as low as 40%, but that is if you decide that every close MU is wrong. Still, a rough average could still be in the 60%s, which I feel might fit because DB still does inflate stats bit too much nowadays.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Kek, just 'no', best argument. Also just ignoring how Vader has a bare minimum of half a dozen layers of mind resistance just from the lowest levels of mind resistance that trainees get from learning how to resist all but the most advanced techniques listed.
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Btw Obi wan resisted a Force nexus equivalent to a hundred sith....you could possibly argue he has 100 layers of mind hax and resistance and Vader upscales

Btw Weekly who do you think wins between Vader vs Arthas? Do you think Sauron vs Arthas was accurate
 
Doggo said:
Btw Obi wan resisted a Force nexus equivalent to a hundred sith....you could possibly argue he has 100 layers of mind hax and resistance and Vader upscales
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Correct
Doggo said:
Btw Weekly who do you think wins between Vader vs Arthas? Do you think Sauron vs Arthas was accurate
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Vader, hax-wise and skill-wise theyre about equal but Vader has the raw stat advantage, and yeah it was accurate
 
Deidalius said:
Youmu and Danny are mentioned in the same sentence, must promote my matchup.
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Any of you should alert me of when Danny gets upgraded to low Multiversal too. I will instantly make him fight Youmu here.
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