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So what are the possible win cons for raven if she even has any
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Mathematic estimates of a lightsaber's heat based upon performance in cinema (cutting through blast doors and cleanly cleaving rock in seconds) place it within the 8k-25k degrees Celsius range. Amaterasu performs similarly. I would assume they're close in temperature given similar feats.The Force can be compared to senjutsu which counter TSO, Vader affects them with TK. I think Ligthsabers have statements of having heat compared to a star on the g1 blog
I agree with everything else you said tho.
So what are the possible win cons for raven if she even has any
I'm pretty sure she used to be but isn't anymore.Isn’t Raven equally as mentally unstable?
Not exactly, its effectively his Force Spirit that he projected while in a meditative trance, its a manifestation of his connection to the Dark Side of the ForceHis "dark dimension form" was just a vision, anyway, I thought.
1. Yes, there are layers. Mind hax resistance is something that even beginner Force users learn as a basic application of the Force, which is called Thought Shield, its so basic that even non-Jedi and non-Sith are able to learn this, like some diplomats have done. As they become more skilled in the Force their resistance to these techniques becomes stronger, as well as being able to resist stronger, more advanced applications of mind manipulation that i will explain below. Vader's mind resistance is superior to people who can resist mind hax that can manipulate the mind of an entire planet of master force users, as well as people like Revan who was able to fight off an entire council of Jedi masters trying to mind control him. On top of this, Vader has specific measures that let him subconsciously recognize and break out of illusions that involve Padme specifically as that is something that people in his own universe have tried against him multiple times.Without context as to the layers (I at least gave context for Obito's layered resistance), it just sounds like Force mind manip accomplishes the same things basic genjutsu does, which doesn't really help your argument.
Yes, 3-4x higher than anything Obito can resist. Ergo he cannot resist it.That's still a 3-4x difference at best, assuming lowest possible temp for Amaterasu and highest for the lightsaber, but I would argue that Amaterasu is right up there with the saber based on performance.
And what exactly is the difference between Senjutsu and the Force?Dark Side Tendrils are stated to "annihilate matter", but this doesn't equate to the bonafide, layered existense erasure of the TSB. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_side_tendrils
TSB wouldn't be affected by telekinesis because it's powered by the Force and not Senjutsu.
I kinda wanna see Black Cat vs Catwoman, hoping it could be like BlackMaker.
well vs is subjective so i wouldn't rely on citing DB as a end all be all debate cause they have there own thoughts and such on whos wins no different than u and iSo Death Battle often gets criticized for when they get a match “wrong” or when they have bad research, and even people who say not to look to Death Battle for matchup results because of certain outcomes. But how often would you guys say Death Battle gets it right? Personally I think they’re pretty accurate like 85% of the time which is pretty good. And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
Aw okay, I was gonna say they can take another shot at sponsoring the episode with mentally ill people with Better HelpI'm pretty sure she used to be but isn't anymore.
BasedImagine if the Phoenix Force makes Jean mentally unstable and Raven wins purely based on that
Always liked Black Cat more for some reason.I kinda wanna see Black Cat vs Catwoman, hoping it could be like BlackMaker.
Excuse me, but womenPlease DB, don't do catwoman vs black cat.
Imagine if the Phoenix Force makes Jean mentally unstable and Raven wins purely based on that
I think their hit rate has significantly improved over the years, so I’d say by S8-10 they’re consistently in the 90%+ range for verdicts being how they realistically should go.So Death Battle often gets criticized for when they get a match “wrong” or when they have bad research, and even people who say not to look to Death Battle for matchup results because of certain outcomes. But how often would you guys say Death Battle gets it right? Personally I think they’re pretty accurate like 85% of the time which is pretty good. And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
Every single ability you listed and explained is a potential application of standard genjutsu, which all ninja are taught how to resist and dispell in the Academy. None of it gives particular confidence towards resisting IT, which is such a complete hypnosis that even users of the Byakugan (which is similarly a hard counter to illusions and mind manip) were ensnared, and it was believed even Sasuke with his Rinnegan would have been if not for Susano'o.1. Yes, there are layers. Mind hax resistance is something that even beginner Force users learn as a basic application of the Force, which is called Thought Shield, its so basic that even non-Jedi and non-Sith are able to learn this, like some diplomats have done. As they become more skilled in the Force their resistance to these techniques becomes stronger, as well as being able to resist stronger, more advanced applications of mind manipulation that i will explain below. Vader's mind resistance is superior to people who can resist mind hax that can manipulate the mind of an entire planet of master force users, as well as people like Revan who was able to fight off an entire council of Jedi masters trying to mind control him. On top of this, Vader has specific measures that let him subconsciously recognize and break out of illusions that involve Padme specifically as that is something that people in his own universe have tried against him multiple times.
2. Yes, the most basic application of mind manipulation, Mind Trick, does the same thing as a basic Genjutsu, and is again something that even beginner Force users learn as a basic application of the Force. Each application beyond that is a more advanced and potent technique that requires more mastery and resistance to be able to be unaffected by:
This is all stuff that Vader has a multi-layered resistance to.
- Alter Mind:
- Mind Twist:
- Force Suppression:
- Force Breach:
- Mind Control:
- Force Fear:
- Force Horror:
- Force Insanity:
- Force Illusion:
Yes, 3-4x higher than anything Obito can resist. Ergo he cannot resist it.
And what exactly is the difference between Senjutsu and the Force?
I ranked all episodes as accurate or inaccurate and left out the ones I don't know.So Death Battle often gets criticized for when they get a match “wrong” or when they have bad research, and even people who say not to look to Death Battle for matchup results because of certain outcomes. But how often would you guys say Death Battle gets it right? Personally I think they’re pretty accurate like 85% of the time which is pretty good. And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
Sadly, people will clown you if you use Death Battle. Powerscalers and normies will mock you, so I avoid using Death Battle regardless if they're correct or not.And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
I don't want it unless there is fanservice, but even then fanservice wouldn't fit Death Battle and it would feel trashy.Excuse me, but women
On one hand, you get things like Toph beating Gaara. On the other, you get Raiden beating Wolverine, which was hella amazing to see on the premiere date.I think their hit rate has significantly improved over the years, so I’d say by S8-10 they’re consistently in the 90%+ range for verdicts being how they realistically should go.
Obviously the older days from like S6 and before are in a…. Very shaky stage though. More hit and miss
Tbh I still think you could probably argue Raiden beating Wolvey if ur liberal with multipliers for speed stuff, but yeah the Raiden win at the time was a HUGE deal lol.On one hand, you get things like Toph beating Gaara. On the other, you get Raiden beating Wolverine, which was hella amazing to see on the premiere date.
Did the db group regret gaara and toph and confirm it was wrong like they did with tifa and yangOn one hand, you get things like Toph beating Gaara. On the other, you get Raiden beating Wolverine, which was hella amazing to see on the premiere date.
God, I hope soDid the db group regret gaara and toph and confirm it was wrong like they did with tifa and yang
Pretty sure they admitted it was wrong well the researchers anywaysDid the db group regret gaara and toph and confirm it was wrong like they did with tifa and yang
And have a better episodeGaara definitely deserves to comeback, if nothing else than to be given a modern and up to date analysis regardless of what his opponents might be.
With the current stats they gave Raiden against Excalibur, Logan actually wins now.Tbh I still think you could probably argue Raiden beating Wolvey if ur liberal with multipliers for speed stuff, but yeah the Raiden win at the time was a HUGE deal lol.
What were his stats with Wolverine?With the current stats they gave Raiden against Excalibur, Logan actually wins now.
Pretty sure they would escalate Logan to Spiderman, which already has a ftl level and surely the claws are at the level to damage heralds.What were his stats with Wolverine?
Jotaro is a tsundere in disguise , doesnt wanna admit he loves people close to himI still remember first watching JJBA Stardust Crusaders for the first time and hearing Jotaro refer to his own mom like that.
Even if they are right with an outcome, they may also do a bad job with research on certain thingsSo Death Battle often gets criticized for when they get a match “wrong” or when they have bad research, and even people who say not to look to Death Battle for matchup results because of certain outcomes. But how often would you guys say Death Battle gets it right? Personally I think they’re pretty accurate like 85% of the time which is pretty good. And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
I wonder, how many characters are male tsunderes?Jotaro is a tsundere in disguise , doesnt wanna admit he loves people close to him
So Death Battle often gets criticized for when they get a match “wrong” or when they have bad research, and even people who say not to look to Death Battle for matchup results because of certain outcomes. But how often would you guys say Death Battle gets it right? Personally I think they’re pretty accurate like 85% of the time which is pretty good. And is it ever viable to cite Death Battle in a vs debate to you?
I think people just have a higher standard on verdict quality from a Death Battle episode than on a blog from a peep.Even if they are right with an outcome, they may also do a bad job with research on certain things
Like how jojo wasnt FTL even if jotaro loses to kenshiro
Or goku being x2 FTL and like planetary in ssj4 or so, even if superman beats him
Examples on how animation quality and research quality verdicts are different thingsOn one hand, you get things like Toph beating Gaara. On the other, you get Raiden beating Wolverine, which was hella amazing to see on the premiere date.