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That's after his DEF is removed by the SOULs.
But before, hm?

The "no DEF" is a reference to him not having ATK either, instead always dealing around 1/5th of Frisk's total HPs either, regardless of LV, ATK or DEF.

Reason is because the fight not working like the other ones, so it works instead by its own programming.

Stop understanding only what you want to understand bud.
 
There IS some stuff behind Frisk scaling to Asriel in certain ways, like utterly tanking his strongest attack.

It's also heavily implied that Frisk massively holds back with their attacks if they don't want to hurt someone, like in the Faux Undyne Fight when she was like "FIGHT ME" and Frisk deals 1 damage, which could be the reason Frisk deals 0 damage to Asriel, as he is the last person Frisk would want to injure. This is supported by Frisk breaking out of Asriel's passive paralysis thing, meaning at very least it wasn't the stomp it was against Photoshop Flowey.
I agree with this.

I actually think Frisk can harm Asriel, but they simply don’t want to fight him, just like how it works with monsters wanting or not wanting to fight. You can’t damage lost souls either too — it’s just the fact that Frisk CLEARLY doesn’t want to damage anyone. I actually wanted to make a CRT long time ago on that but lazy ahhhh moment.

Why do Chara and Player scale to Immeasurable in speed via sheer DT and Frisk doesn’t scale to 2-B AP via sheer DT?
 
I actually think Frisk can harm Asriel, but they simply don’t want to fight him, just like how it works with monsters wanting or not wanting to fight. You can’t damage lost souls either too — it’s just the fact that Frisk CLEARLY doesn’t want to damage anyone. I actually wanted to make a CRT long time ago on that but lazy ahhhh moment.
The same lost souls who can damage Frisk with 2-B Dura. It's clear as hell they were empowered from Asriel.
Why do Chara and Player scale to Immeasurable in speed via sheer DT and Frisk doesn’t scale to 2-B AP via sheer DT?
Frisk has contradictions. Meanwhile Asriel textbook implies that the Player has similar DT to him, so there's no reason to discard them.
 
The same lost souls who can damage Frisk with 2-B Dura. It's clear as hell they were empowered from Asriel.
Fair ig
Frisk has contradictions. Meanwhile Asriel textbook implies that the Player has similar DT to him, so there's no reason to discard them.
What contradictions? And the point was that if you grant speed via DT, why not AP?
Gap between Neutral Frisk and Omega Flowey was very big as Frisk doesn’t have control over the world, but Frisk can STILL damage him. In Asriel vs. TP Frisk, as TP Frisk prevents Asriel from having control over the world. And the fact that they’re 2-B in durability is supporting.
 
What contradictions?
I've explained above. In a nutshell, the only other instance of Frisk "missing" is against MTT Box who has 9999 DEF in coding and lore-wise he's so durable that he can't be damaged no matter what.

Asriel has also 9999 DEF, and it's not like Undyne where Frisk instead COULD damage her even while using minimal strength, unless you think that they "held back even more" against Asriel or nonsense like that.
Gap between Neutral Frisk and Omega Flowey was very big as Frisk doesn’t have control over the world, but Frisk can STILL damage him.
Photoshop Flowey doesn't work like the other bosses, coding-wise he literally lacks ATK and DEF, and any attack deals a fixated amount of damage.
And the fact that they’re 2-B in durability is supporting.
Captain America isn't as strong as how durable is his shield.
 
I've explained above. In a nutshell, the only other instance of Frisk "missing" is against MTT Box who has 9999 DEF in coding and lore-wise he's so durable that he can't be damaged no matter what.
I am not denying that Asriel is too durable at the moment of Frisk hitting him. That’s pure obvious. But the thing is: the reason why he is so is due to Frisk holding back and hence their AP is lowered to hell, making Asriel too durable for him.
Asriel has also 9999 DEF, and it's not like Undyne where Frisk instead COULD damage her even while using minimal strength, unless you think that they "held back even more" against Asriel or nonsense like that.
I do think they held back most against Asriel though. The point of it is that Frisk does not want to fight Asriel AT ALL: they want to save him.
Photoshop Flowey doesn't work like the other bosses, coding-wise he literally lacks ATK and DEF, and any attack deals a fixated amount of damage.
Code is game mechanics though. He literally has LV 9999 iirc.
Captain America isn't as strong as how durable is his shield.
“Supporting”
 
I am not denying that Asriel is too durable at the moment of Frisk hitting him. That’s pure obvious. But the thing is: the reason why he is so is due to Frisk holding back and hence their AP is lowered to hell, making Asriel too durable for him.
That's pure headcanon and you know it. We see a scenario of Frisk holding back, and it's different than with Asriel's.
I do think they held back most against Asriel though. The point of it is that Frisk does not want to fight Asriel AT ALL: they want to save him.
You have also to argue that with MTT Box.
Code is game mechanics though. He literally has LV 9999 iirc.
LV doesn't influence other character's stats. The reason why he hasn't ATK and DEF in code is because he's hard coded to always deal 1/5th of the max HPs, no matter how strong Frisk was.
 
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That's pure headcanon and you know it. We see a scenario of Frisk holding back, and it's different than with Asriel's.
Not really. The text and ACT button changing to SAVE one are literally straight up saying that you want to save them, not fight. Also notice how during Asriel’s “final blast” all buttons get “dropped” besides one: SAVE.
You have also to argue that with MTT Box.
In that case MTT was too durable and that’s it
LV doesn't influence other character's stats.
Some levels increase DEF as well. Frisk with minimal ATK can damage him still.
The reason why he hasn't ATK and DEF in code is because he's hard coded to always deal 1/5th of the max HPs, no matter how strong Frisk was.
Probably, but again: coding is just game mechanics, and the in-game stuff should take priority.
 
Not really. The text and ACT button changing to SAVE one are literally straight up saying that you want to save them, not fight. Also notice how during Asriel’s “final blast” all buttons get “dropped” besides one: SAVE.
Ok, and?
In that case MTT was too durable and that’s it
Both Asriel and MTT have 9999 DEF in coding and both have the same animation when hit, so that makes me a lil' doubtful. Frisk would have been stuck with 2 damage max like with Photoshop Flowey if it was the case.
Some levels increase DEF as well. Frisk with minimal ATK can damage him still.
Not in coding, when talking about other characters.
Probably, but again: coding is just game mechanics, and the in-game stuff should take priority.
Not "probably", it's literally what is happening.
 
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This shows that they desperately want to save Asriel and others. All the buttons are gone, besides the SAVE one. Also notice how Frisk doesn't even TRY to hit Asriel when he's flying around, despite being capable to (see Mad Dummy).
Both Asriel and MTT have 9999 DEF in coding and both have the same animation when hit, so that makes me a lil' doubtful. Frisk would have been stuck with 2 damage max like with Photoshop Flowey if it was the case.
From what I understand, if the thing is too durable, Frisk will "MISS" (or if they really miss like with Sans or you just don't attack despite pressing FIGHT button, but it's behind the point). Which is why MTT and Asriel are unaffected and say "MISS". But my point is: yes, Asriel is too durable for us, but it's just because our AP is massively decreased due to holding back. We don't want to fight Asriel. We want to save him. Same with out friends - lost souls.
Not in coding, when talking about other characters.
You do realize that in-game showings takes priority over coding?
Not "probably", it's literally what is happening.
See the other part.
 
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Bro it was crazy, they pulled characters across many marvel or fox owned movies with this to do a meta thing overall

Like i didnt expect some of these, also at 4D watching this, it was ragdolling tf out of you, especially cuz Wolverine and Deadpool were going at each other a lot

Also references and all in it, especially with Wolverine, i cant even begin where do i even tell all this crazyness, it certainly was great to have Hugh Jackman return for this, tho i dunno if he wishes anymore to play the character after this or if they do a 4th movie, where they even go from here now
 
This shows that they desperately want to save Asriel and others. All the buttons are gone, besides the SAVE one. Also notice how Frisk doesn't even TRY to hit Asriel when he's flying around, despite being capable to (see Mad Dummy).
Asriel says MISS even when he's standing there
Mettaton says MISS
Mad Dummy does not say MISS

Learn the difference.
From what I understand, if the thing is too durable, Frisk will "MISS" (or if they really miss like with Sans or you just don't attack despite pressing FIGHT button, but it's behind the point). Which is why MTT and Asriel are unaffected and say "MISS". But my point is: yes, Asriel is too durable for us, but it's just because our AP is massively decreased due to holding back. We don't want to fight Asriel. We want to save him. Same with out friends - lost souls.
But there's NO PROOF of Frisk being able to deal damage to him if they actually wanted to.
You do realize that in-game showings takes priority over coding?
Yes, but as far as the game shows, the gap between Asriel's DEF and Frisk's ATK > PF's DEF and Frisk's ATK.

But anyway, if you want to change it, make a CRT because we're spamming this thread methinks.
 
Asriel says MISS even when he's standing there
Mettaton says MISS
Mad Dummy does not say MISS
I know, also nvm because I thought of something different, but rechecking it turns out it was not true.
But there's NO PROOF of Frisk being able to deal damage to him if they actually wanted to.
There is no proof of Chara or Player moving at Immeasurable if they wanted to. Literally same logic applies to them. If you scale their speed via sheer DT, I don't see why AP is very different, if it is obvious that Frisk was holding back.
Yes, but as far as the game shows, the gap between Asriel's DEF and Frisk's ATK > PF's DEF and Frisk's ATK.
Yes, but again, against OF you are not holding back, against Asriel you do. Determination gap between Asriel and TP Frisk <<<<< gap between OF and Neutral Frisk.
But anyway, if you want to change it, make a CRT because we're spamming this thread methinks.
Fair enough, I planned to do it anyways. See ya there soon.
 
Bro it was crazy, they pulled characters across many marvel or fox owned movies with this to do a meta thing overall

Like i didnt expect some of these, also at 4D watching this, it was ragdolling tf out of you, especially cuz Wolverine and Deadpool were going at each other a lot

Also references and all in it, especially with Wolverine, i cant even begin where do i even tell all this crazyness, it certainly was great to have Hugh Jackman return for this, tho i dunno if he wishes anymore to play the character after this or if they do a 4th movie, where they even go from here now
Don’t tell too much pls, I have yet to watch it still
 
Bro it was crazy, they pulled characters across many marvel or fox owned movies with this to do a meta thing overall

Like i didnt expect some of these, also at 4D watching this, it was ragdolling tf out of you, especially cuz Wolverine and Deadpool were going at each other a lot

Also references and all in it, especially with Wolverine, i cant even begin where do i even tell all this crazyness, it certainly was great to have Hugh Jackman return for this, tho i dunno if he wishes anymore to play the character after this or if they do a 4th movie, where they even go from here now
I watched that shit in theater at 3 AM, the film was great.
 
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