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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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CharlesZaGreat said:
Honestly, most of Gojo's match-ups end up being incon due to limitless. I think Sora can get through it, but if he can't than neither fighter in accomplishing shit
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Sora has a lot of options
Peter_Quicksilver_Maximoff said:
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I sure as shit would never mentioned Batgirl vs Spider-Gwen
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Tipper17 said:
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Poor Gojo.

CharlesZaGreat said:
Honestly, most of Gojo's match-ups end up being incon due to limitless. I think Sora can get through it, but if he can't than neither fighter in accomplishing shit
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So much for JJK.

Loh67867 said:
Because Zun's art sucks
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1. So bad, yet so stylish so many fanarts evolve from his.
2. Zun himself is quite tolerant on fan art.
3. Twilight Frontier (the partnering firm that makes official Touhou Project fighting games) actually makes good art.
 
Heard that DB had doubts on whether Courier can get past Mando's Beskar armor. Courier got so much stuff that can hurt Mando despite the armour lmao. Sure, Star Wars in general has superior tech to Fallout but Mando isn't exactly doing untouchable techie stuff with it. He's just a dude in strong armour (not even full body or anything) that shoots a gun and swings a light saber.

Unfortunately, this means that they haven't properly considered or looked up anything about the MU and it isn't in the works. This makes me sad because it's my most wanted MU by some distance.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
Heard that DB had doubts on whether Courier can get past Mando's Beskar armor. Courier got so much stuff that can hurt Mando despite the armour lmao. Sure, Star Wars in general has superior tech to Fallout but Mando isn't exactly doing untouchable techie stuff with it. He's just a dude in strong armour (not even full body or anything) that shoots a gun and swings a light saber.

Unfortunately, this means that they haven't properly considered or looked up anything about the MU and it isn't in the works. This makes me sad because it's my most wanted MU by some distance.
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Pretty sure any of the Plasma weapons in Fallout break matter down on a molecular level.
 
Loh67867 said:
Because Zun's art sucks
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I mean, that's objectively true but still, use canon art. There is plenty of good canon Touhou art made by other artists that aren't ZUN.
RiloKileyFan said:


He's gone


I don't like half of that list and it's not a good sign that all the 3D department is pretty much one dude. He's no Torrian.
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They had one of the best 3D animators that produced one of the best 3D episodes in all of Death Battle animate for a season and then they just let him go??? Why??? Contract him again, he is good. Are they broke?
 
SlendVeny said:
Art isn't an objective scale, it isn't like numbers.
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I disagree. Art is like beauty, it is partially objective. You wouldn't say that my turds can be subjectively beautiful. We all have a disgust towards feces, boogers, garbage, etc. Therefore those things are objectively ugly.

ZUN's art can be criticized objectively in many ways. Lack of good perspective, inconsistency, same face syndrome, bad shading (Especially compared to his older drawings), etc
 
Deidalius said:
They had one of the best 3D animators that produced one of the best 3D episodes in all of Death Battle animate for a season and then they just let him go??? Why??? Contract him again, he is good. Are they broke?
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I think you answered your own question...

Somewhat related, but isn't WB supposed to have a sharings call or something soon? I know a lot of people are looking to that for the fate of Coyote vs. Acme, but does RT get brought up in those calls any?
 
Deidalius said:
I disagree. Art is like beauty, it is partially objective. You wouldn't say that my turds can be subjectively beautiful. We all have a disgust towards feces, boogers, garbage, etc. Therefore those things are objectively ugly.
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That isn't how the concept of objectivity works. Those are subjective based on a perception of things being diseased. Good art doesn't even have to look good, and bad art can look great.
Deidalius said:
ZUN's art can be criticized objectively in many ways. Lack of good perspective, inconsistency, same face syndrome, bad shading (Especially compared to his older drawings), etc
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Cave paintings are good, basically anything can be. Idk about this instance though.
 
SlendVeny said:
That isn't how the concept of objectivity works. Those are subjective based on a perception of things being diseased. Good art doesn't even have to look good, and bad art can look great.
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Can you explain exactly what do you mean by "Good art doesn't need to look good"? It seems self-contradictory, since that's the requirement to be good art. To look good.

Either way, if art is "Subjective" then an effortless doodle I made in three minutes should be considered good art. A banana taped to a wall would be considered good art. There would be no point in learning more about how to draw, since art is subjective.

If art is subjective, why people go to school, train for hours just to improve? "Art is subjective" is pseudo-intellectual bull crap. There is objectivity to art and beauty.
SlendVeny said:
Cave paintings are good, basically anything can be. Idk about this instance though.
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But most cave paintings aren't even considered good by the standards of most people. They're art, but they're not considered good art.

Even then, most people would agree with me that ZUN's art isn't good. It is a guilty pleasure for a reason. He had what, 20 years, longer than I've been alive to dramatically improve on his art, but it's clear he isn't putting effort to improve his art skills. ZUN is probably too busy killing his neurons with alcohol.
 
Deidalius said:
Yeah, it has a charm to it.
But since he hasn't improved dramatically in 20 years of drawing, I'd still say his art sucks. I mean, who draws for 20 years and doesn't improve dramatically? (Inb4 "He improved a little bit so you're opinion is disregarded!")
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His art actually got worse, his PC-98 era art looked cute and charming, now it just looks kinda bad lol
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Loh67867 said:
His art actually got worse, his PC-98 era art looked cute and charming, now it just looks kinda bat lol
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What a diet of drinking alcohol 3 times a day does to a MF
I agree. His PC-98 art was decent and looked better than some of his windows era art, but that can be attributed to how pixel art tends to look better than traditional art. That can be attributed to how pixel art is easier to make look good if you're a novice. Take me for example, I don't train my art skills because I am lazy (A kettle calling the pot black), but my pixel art drawings look a lot better than my hand drawn/digital art due to how easy it is to make a decent pixel art drawing when you're a novice.

That being said, when you compare the art ZUN makes between windows era games with each other, you start to notice things like how he started shading less, characters gained faces that are too similar to each other and the drawings are less colorful and more plain. Nitori might be the best example of this. See how less colorful and detailed she is now?
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My suggestion and easiest way and most reasonable way to solve this problem: I lock ZUN in a room for 30 days with no alcohol. He will be forced to train his art skills with YouTube videos. I'll only give him crayons and pencils. He will improve in no time.
 
Deidalius said:
Can you explain exactly what do you mean by "Good art doesn't need to look good"? It seems self-contradictory, since that's the requirement to be good art. To look good.
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That's not why people like art. Art is about emotion and symbolism and shit. There's a reason people care WHO made art. Even if it looks the same, the art by the original guy is better than the art of someone who copies that shit.
Deidalius said:
Either way, if art is "Subjective" then an effortless doodle I made in three minutes should be considered good art. A banana taped to a wall would be considered good art. There would be no point in learning more about how to draw, since art is subjective.
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Art isn't about what "looks nice." A banana taped to a wall could be banger art depending on the wall. If someone tapes like 50 bananas on the wall in a fun pattern, that can be great art.
Deidalius said:
If art is subjective, why people go to school, train for hours just to improve? "Art is subjective" is pseudo-intellectual bull crap. There is objectivity to art and beauty.
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Objective by what standard? Who sets that? You're being anti-intellectual here, and forgetting what intersubjectivity is.
Deidalius said:
But most cave paintings aren't even considered good by the standards of most people. They're art, but they're not considered good art.
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A bunch of people consider Garfield to be good art, I don't trust the majority.
Deidalius said:
Even then, most people would agree with me that ZUN's art isn't good. It is a guilty pleasure for a reason. He had what, 20 years, longer than I've been alive to dramatically improve on his art, but it's clear he isn't putting effort to improve his art skills. ZUN is probably too busy killing his neurons with alcohol.
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I don't care at all about this specific art, I care about this "God hath ordained true art to be as such" mentality.
 
SlendVeny said:
That's not why people like art. Art is about emotion and symbolism and shit. There's a reason people care WHO made art. Even if it looks the same, the art by the original guy is better than the art of someone who copies that shit.
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I admit that emotion and symbolism can improve art, but it relies on beauty to be good. Anyone can make art with a deep meaning, have it based on emotions and have a lot of symbolism. Someone could make a simple stickman drawing about how their girlfriend left them or something. But if it is ugly, it is bad art. Even if we use emotion and symbolism to measure the quality of art. ZUN isn't good at conveying deep emotions through his drawings.
SlendVeny said:
Art isn't about what "looks nice." A banana taped to a wall could be banger art depending on the wall. If someone tapes like 50 bananas on the wall in a fun pattern, that can be great art.
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You're wrong. Art is about things that look nice. It is also about many other things but denying that beauty is related to art is wrong. And no, I am not talking about taping multiple bananas to make something else. I am talking about what's considered to be modern art nowadays, taping a single banana to a wall. How is that beautiful? It isn't. It's lazy and ugly, therefore bad art.
SlendVeny said:
Objective by what standard? Who sets that? You're being anti-intellectual here, and forgetting what intersubjectivity is.
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It's objective by the standard of the majority of people, the group of people it tries to appeal to, by what ZUN's art tries to be and convey, and professional artists. Also, throwing new words you read on the dictionary yesterday doesn't make your case better.
SlendVeny said:
A bunch of people consider Garfield to be good art, I don't trust the majority.
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Garfield achieves what it tries to do, ZUN doesn't. It is the art style of an artist that spent years trying to improve his art skills. It is good at what it tries to do. Garfield is also not an eyesore.
SlendVeny said:
I don't care at all about this specific art, I care about this "God hath ordained true art to be as such" mentality.
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I am not basing my standards of what is objectively good art on God or anything similar. There has to be a level of objectivity to art, or else literally anything can be "Good art"

There is a reason why people spend years trying to improve their art skills. You still haven't answered why people spend years trying to improve their art skills if everything is "Subjective".
 
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