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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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CharlesZaGreat said:
Elimination: Which Season 10 Combatant has the Best Backstory? Vote for Your Least Favourite

The most iconic dog in all of fiction is out, probably because he doesn't really have a true origin due to all the different continuities (I feel like the closest we get is Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins but Pup Named Scooby-Doo shows the Mystery Gang knowing each other as kids) Among the thirty-two characters that appeared in Death Battle in Season 10, who among them had the best backstory? Backstories can be comprised of either background lore or actually shown events. They can be in flashbacks or during the middle of a story when a character is introduced, either way their backstory makes up who they are and their motives, what pushes them to continue or explain why they do what they do the present day. We'll find out who has the best among the rest by voting off the weakest from the strongest.

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32. Frieza
31. Unicron
30. Scooby-Doo
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Break this tie real quick
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
As someone who has been playing through the all the Greek Saga games, has played through 2018, and is quite a ways into Ragnarok? I have to respectfully disagree with David here to Kratos' character development in the Norse games, and I might as well put my opinion on Kratos now a days in the spoiler tab to not clog things up:

One of the things that I have found very fascinating about Kratos in the older games is, when you get to the nitty gritty of the narrative and what we are shown from the characters, how much remorse and self loathing reeks from him from everything he's had to do in his life. See beyond the godlike feats and ferocity that Kratos demonstrates through the games, he's ultimately the personification of the tragic Greek hero found in Greek Mythology: Guy's unable to protect his brother as children, went through the hellish training that Spartan children were expected to endure and was treated less like a human and more like a war machine, was forced into giving his servitude to Ares in order to save Sparta from Barbarians, was tasked with slaughtering countless innocents in Ares' name and is tricked into murdering his own wife and child and having to bear their ashes permanently as a reminder of his actions, was tortured by the Furies and had to regretfully Orkos in order to free his bond from Ares, had to let go of Calliope in Elysium in order into save all of creation from annihilation, and even when he's able to kill Ares and get his revenge he's still forced to bear the memory of murdering his family and attempts suicide as a way of escaping....and all of this was in the first THREE games chronologically speaking while not even bringing up the times he lost both his mother and brother in Ghost of Sparta, and of course everything in God of War 2 and 3 where he has fallen so deep into rage and revenge that the notion of Greece being destroyed means nothing to him if the ones who wronged him are dead at his feet.

All of this doesn't depict a force of nature at work or some badass who murders entire pantheons through sheer rage, but the epitome of staring into the abyss and it staring right back at you. Yet in spite of all of this, it's truly amazing that Santa Monica Studios understands that Kratos wasn't just a mindless beast hellbent on destruction and showed a number of sympathetic and human attributes even at his absolute worst in 3...it's why I appreciate that 2018 and Ragnarok enabled Kratos to find redemption and forgiveness through the friends and family that genuinely love him for who he is as a person, and why I'm delightful that Valhalla set the record straight to the audience that Kratos isn't some mindless monster that isn't capable of remorse for his sins and wanting to become better for the sake of himself and those who give him a reason to keep living in spite of his absurdly cruel past.

So overall, while I understand David's frustration over changing preestablished characters, I cannot disagree with that more when it comes to Kratos because the development he's been able to go through in the last few games has transformed him from a monster into one of my favorite characters in fiction itself.
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he's ultimately the personification of the tragic Greek hero(everything has to end in misery ) not everyone needs to be a good person/ a sad redemption arc shouldn't be for everyone. its why naruto became that meme that forgives everyone cause of input sad music and flashbacking that swingset.exe
if anything the new god games could be a new ""franchise"" not wearing kratos face for safety sales
 
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Jeodood said:
he's ultimately the personification of the tragic Greek hero(everything has to end in misery ) not everyone needs to be a good person/ a sad redemption arc shouldn't be for everyone. its why naruto became that meme that forgives everyone cause of input sad music and flashbacking that swingset.exe
if anything the new god games could be a new ""franchise"" not wearing kratos face for safety sales
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Those are some pretty good points to be made and I do see the merit behind people's frustration at Kratos being given the redemption arc, but to be honest....I personally believe that both versions of the character work simultaneously rather then against one another. The Greek Saga works well for Kratos narratively because the story was ultimately about a tragic Greek hero who slowly but progressively keeps losing more and more of his humanity from either constant betrayals or being treated like a tool or having to witness the deaths of the remaining people in his life who genuinely loved him, eventually accumulating with the Kratos becoming the empty and rage filled monster that shows no concern for the end of the world if it means seeing Zeus dead by the climax of God of War 3. And on the other hand the Norse Saga has worked narratively because we know what Kratos did in the past and the constant war he's at with himself from the sheer trauma and remorse for everything he's done prior to 2018, yet he is willing to keep going forward and trying to be better for the sake of himself, his son, his friends, and those who do care about Kratos regardless of his sins.

I think that's what I love about the Valhalla DLC because, not only does it do a good job at showing Kratos' actions were more complex and nuanced then he himself would care to admit, but it's also a way for Kratos to ultimately accept his past and who he was yet is no longer the monster presently and now wishes to use his past and the people around him to do better. So ultimately I feel like the Greek and Norse games compliment each other, and it makes what happens in the modern games more special to me.

Though I do respectfully disagree with the Naruto comparison because I can't really say for certain how Naruto acts since I'm not a fan of the manga, but Kratos in the Norse games will kill if it's absolutely necessary. Some examples include Baldur, who tried strangling his mother, and Heimdall, who threatened Atreus' life, despite giving both parties a number of chances to walk away because he understood the two were too lost to be given a second slate. Still these are all my opinions though so you can always agree to disagree with any of them.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Is it from my coping non-VSW origin ass, or has modern VS been wanked too much? Its unsalvageable.
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Oh... just you wait until the R>F (2-A to 0) revisions have all been finalized, let's just say the Low 1-C upgrade free for all not too long ago will be a tame summer breeze compared to the catastrophic rumblings both staff and users have planned in the future... (High 1-A Marvel and 1-B Ben 10 were essentially the appetizers to the full transcendent courses that are on their way).
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Oh... just you wait until the R>F (2-A to 0) revisions have all been finalized, let's just say the Low 1-C upgrade free for all not too long ago will be a tame summer breeze compared to the catastrophic rumblings both staff and users have planned in the future... (High 1-A Marvel and 1-B Ben 10 were essentially the appetizers to the full transcendent courses that are on their way).
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Havent they been done? There are new 1-A shenanigans coming up tho. EDIT: Ah yes, Tiers 2-A to 0, these are the ones coming up.

We already got Tier 1 DBS & Game Sonic, shit will get dumb.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Havent they been done? There are new 1-A shenanigans coming up tho. EDIT: Ah yes, Tiers 2-A to 0, these are the ones coming up.

We already got Tier 1 DBS & Game Sonic, shit will get dumb.
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Can't wait for at least 1-B likey High 0-A The Real World cosmology.

Being consistently facetious aside this is some meta level monkeys paw shenanigans going on.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Is it from my coping non-VSW origin ass, or has modern VS been wanked too much? Its unsalvageable.
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Meh, I think it's always been this way tbh....the only difference is that Death Battle, and some popular power scaling Youtubers, made the arguments mainstream and more wide spread compared to what they use to be like. Really I feel like that only now do we see the cracks because it's become easier to see it.

And I don't got an issue with it, power scaling can be subjective and or if the evidence is consistent and from legitimate sources then why's it a detriment if people scale these characters high to begin with?
 
You know this might be a hot take, but I'm going to give my honest thoughts: I would rather take VBW wank over to YouTube or TikTok wank every day of the week because at least there's a structure and set of rules in place to the system as opposed to the Wild West that is both apps' landscapes. Like, just recently, I saw a comment from a Kratos vs Asura video on YouTube where someone scaled Asura to ******* Tier 0 because of the heavy inspiration Asura's Wrath takes from Hinduism and not understanding that just because a series has something it doesn't mean it's one to one equal with what it was based off of.

That and things like Outerversal Dragon Ball, Omnipotent Godzilla, Tier 0 Toon Force characters, and anything to do with Saitama are things that are infinitely more ******** then anything which could possibly come from this wiki. That's not to say this place is perfect, hell no, but it beats anything I've seen from YouTube or TikTok
 
Thats why I generalize Modern VS, its bad elsewhere as well.

Also if Meta shit makes 1-A soon, then someone might try it with Dr. Slump stuff so 1-A Dragon Ball is coming up baybeeeeee lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
Thats why I generalize Modern VS, its bad elsewhere as well.

Also if Meta shit makes 1-A soon, then someone might try it with Dr. Slump stuff so 1-A Dragon Ball is coming up baybeeeeee lol
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Well it's not going to be easy for DB since the standards are actually going to be stricter due to the new R>F standards requiring three main requisites in order to qualify afaik: It has to be an actual R>F difference so that means anything which even somewhat implies it isn't will get thrown out the window, your existence has to be so transcendent that you have to effectively reduce yourself in existence to interact with the "fictional" realm in question, and IIRC it has to be shown that the "fictional" characters can't interact with the "real" entity unless they originate from there and even then still be weaker.

In fact these new standards will actually result in a couple of verse and character downgrades, some examples but probably the most notable one is Looney Tunes due to failing to qualify under points two and three. So really expect a lot to get hit hard by the new system
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
In fact these new standards will actually result in a couple of verse and character downgrades, some examples but probably the most notable one is Looney Tunes due to failing to qualify under points two and three. So really expect a lot to get hit hard by the new system
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I don´t think it will downgrade Looney Tunes, but they will lose their R>F transcendence and stay with a fifth dimension
 
Elimination: Which Season 10 Combatant has the Best Backstory? Vote for Your Least Favourite

The being whose whole gimmick is that he's a mystery is out, guess that's what happens when your entire lore is through text. Among the thirty-two characters that appeared in Death Battle in Season 10, who among them had the best backstory? Backstories can be comprised of either background lore or actually shown events. They can be in flashbacks or during the middle of a story when a character is introduced, either way their backstory makes up who they are and their motives, what pushes them to continue or explain why they do what they do the present day. We'll find out who has the best among the rest by voting off the weakest from the strongest.
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32. Frieza
31. Unicron
30. Scooby-Doo
29. Bill Cipher
 
TMaakkonen said:
Thats why I generalize Modern VS, its bad elsewhere as well.

Also if Meta shit makes 1-A soon, then someone might try it with Dr. Slump stuff so 1-A Dragon Ball is coming up baybeeeeee lol
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I honestly think the new R>F revisions will result in more verses losing tier 1 than it will in verses actually attaining 1A ngl lol, since the restrictions around something qualifying for R>F will be a lot tighter.

however hilariously Touhou very likely applies for the R>F change so uhh lmao
 
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