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DEATH BATTLE! Fighting Animation Discussion Thread

Rayfire said:
There's literally no other reason to make them galaxies instead of universes lmao, it's just common sense. If you were an animator for that episode, why WOULDN'T you base Gurren Lagann Universes off of, well, Gurren Lagann Universes? They're clearly the exact same

Also doesn't help your case that the script refers to them as universes. Also reminded me the thing they are standing on was literally a Super Spiral Universe from the show too, which is even more blatant, lol
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A script made by fans, not an official script, so like I said before your argument is dumb as hell
 
It doesn't matter, the profile was already deleted and the calculations made for it were garbage anyways, y'all opinions and assumptions doesn't matter unless y'all have ACTUAL PROOF AND CONFIRMATION
 
Rayfire said:
There's literally no other reason to make them galaxies instead of universes lmao, it's just common sense. If you were an animator for that episode, why WOULDN'T you base Gurren Lagann Universes off of, well, Gurren Lagann Universes? They're clearly the exact same

Also doesn't help your case that the script refers to them as universes. Also reminded me the thing they are standing on was literally a Super Spiral Universe from the show too, which is even more blatant, lol
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There's reason actually, the fact that they freaking look like galaxies and the fight progression doesn't contradict that line of thinking, so sorry but you need better arguments instead of using a script made by fans in a fanmade wiki
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
There's reason actually, the fact that they freaking look like galaxies and the fight progression doesn't contradict that line of thinking, so sorry but you need better arguments instead of using a script made by fans in a fanmade wiki
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  • looks like galaxies
That's your reason? You do realize that they look like universes in the CANON of Gurren Lagann, and that's why they appear that way in the Death Battle? Simon fights Kyle in a place that looks exactly like where they fought Antispiral, in which they are very clearly stated to be universes by the source material. It is an implied thing, you shouldn't need this information spoonfed to you if you actually know anything about Gurren. Speaking of, have you ever even watched the show? Or do you just hate Simon? Why are you so adamant about this? I understand thinking the profile was trash (trust me, Simon's main wiki profile is terrible) but this is a very weird hill to die on lol
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
  • looks like galaxies
That's your reason? You do realize that they look like universes in the CANON of Gurren Lagann, and that's why they appear that way in the Death Battle? Simon fights Kyle in a place that looks exactly like where they fought Antispiral, in which they are very clearly stated to be universes by the source material. It is an implied thing, you shouldn't need this information spoonfed to you if you actually know anything about Gurren. Speaking of, have you ever even watched the show? Or do you just hate Simon? Why are you so adamant about this? I understand thinking the profile was trash (trust me, Simon's main wiki profile is terrible) but this is a very weird hill to die on lol
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No, I don't hate him, I know that they're Universes in the actual show, I'm not an idiot, but thanks for basically calling me that, very nice of you, literally my first rebuttal to your main argument was that this is an animation in Death Battle, not Gurren Lagann, or do you ever read anything that I been saying at all?
 
I'm going to say this one last time before I get bombarded with more dumb arguments and paragraphs without actual meaning, yes, those are Universes (with higher dimensionally mind you) in the actual show of Gurren Lagann, but this isn't the show, this is an animation of a Death Battle, there's no indication anywhere in the animation that those are Universes instead of just being Galaxies, and using scripts made by fans in fanmade wikis aren't actual arguments with proof, heck apart from the horrendous calcs made using baseless claims the profile was riddled with abilities and resistances all made up without actual evidence in the fight
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
I'm going to say this one last time before I get bombarded with more dumb arguments and paragraphs without actual meaning, yes, those are Universes (with higher dimensionally mind you) in the actual show of Gurren Lagann, but this isn't the show, this is an animation of a Death Battle, there's no indication anywhere in the animation that those are Universes instead of just being Galaxies, and using scripts made by fans in fanmade wikis aren't actual arguments with proof, heck apart from the horrendous calcs made using baseless claims the profile was riddled with abilities and resistances all made up without actual evidence in the fight
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Alright, I'm actually curious now lol

Look, we have our reasons for assuming they are universes, and you call the notion of those assumptions dumb and whatnot, yet you've just been doing the same thing by assuming they aren't universes and not providing concrete evidence. The most you've said is they can't be universes because they look like galaxies and because they aren't specifically indicated to be universes in the animation. Well then, are you able to prove explicitly that they aren't universes? Back up your argument and stop calling everyone dumb.
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Alright, I'm actually curious now lol

Look, we have our reasons for assuming they are universes, and you call the notion of those assumptions dumb and whatnot, yet you've just been doing the same thing by assuming they aren't universes and not providing concrete evidence. The most you've said is they can't be universes because they look like galaxies and because they aren't specifically indicated to be universes in the animation. Well then, are you able to prove explicitly that they aren't universes? Back up your argument and stop calling everyone dumb.
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Sorry but you can't make me gave you an argument backing up my claim when you aren't able to give actual arguments that confirm y'all claims without baseless assumptions.
Also my argument is pretty simple, they look and behave like galaxies in the animation, they aren't implied or stated anywhere in the animation to be something more than galaxies, and the fight progression doesn't contradict them being just galaxies, YOU need actual arguments of them being universes.
And if your "argument" is going to be more of the "that's how universes look like in Gurren Lagann" then I don't care anymore for any "argument" that you may have
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
Sorry but you can't make me gave you an argument backing up my claim when you aren't able to give actual arguments that confirm y'all claims without baseless assumptions.
Also my argument is pretty simple, they look and behave like galaxies in the animation, they aren't implied or stated anywhere in the animation to be something more than galaxies, and the fight progression doesn't contradict them being just galaxies, YOU need actual arguments of them being universes
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The death battle is based on gurren lagann and DC comics. The specific part of the fight in question is very inspired by gurren, as has been said. In gurren lagann, every galaxy they ever showed was a universe. Death battle loves to include various elements from both characters settings. They aren’t perfect but they very often pay attention to details like this. Making them galaxies rather than universes would not just outright contradict both gurren’s setting and actual narrative, but also mention just be a weird, head scratching decision to make. An explicate change like that would be weird af lol. Besides, they never came out and said they were galaxies or universes. Literally all of this is based on assumptions, including on your end. The problem then is that you just have less strong reasoning to back your words up, such as the fact that they ‘look like galaxies’ when they also look the exact same way in the show despite the fact you’ve admitted to knowing that in canon they are indeed universes. Meanwhile, our reasons are based on the shows canon, which itself is what the animation is also based on.

Unless you can prove that death battle did make them galaxies rather than universes with your own concrete evidence, I don’t see why anyone would or should believe you. But the thing is that in actuality neither of us can prove our side as a matter of fact without asking death battle itself, which simply isn’t going to happen.

This probably won’t convince you regardless so you don’t even have to reply again, but it’s whatever really. I’m dropping the conversation either way, I’m busy.
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
The death battle is based on gurren lagann and DC comics. The specific part of the fight in question is very inspired by gurren, as has been said. In gurren lagann, every galaxy they ever showed was a universe. Death battle loves to include various elements from both characters settings. They aren’t perfect but they very often pay attention to details like this. Making them galaxies rather than universes would not just outright contradict both gurren’s setting and actual narrative, but also mention just be a weird, head scratching decision to make. An explicate change like that would be weird af lol. Besides, they never came out and said they were galaxies or universes. Literally all of this is based on assumptions, including on your end. The problem then is that you just have less strong reasoning to back your words up, such as the fact that they ‘look like galaxies’ when they also look the exact same way in the show despite the fact you’ve admitted to knowing that in canon they are indeed universes. Meanwhile, our reasons are based on the shows canon, which itself is what the animation is also based on.

Unless you can prove that death battle did make them galaxies rather than universes with your own concrete evidence, I don’t see why anyone would or should believe you. But the thing is that in actuality neither of us can prove our side as a matter of fact without asking death battle itself, which simply isn’t going to happen.

This probably won’t convince you regardless so you don’t even have to reply again, but it’s whatever really. I’m dropping the conversation either way, I’m busy.
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Whatever, your argument is still very dumb and using outside of the animation matters as a point is stupid, at this point why doesn't just use it as a way to change every scaling and stat in the profiles, according to the canon of Marvel Galactus Ultimate Nullifier is able to destroy the entire Marvel Omniverse and recreated it, but something tells me that if we make a profile for him we aren't going to say that he's Multiversal, at best Universal for destroying the Universe in that fight
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
The death battle is based on gurren lagann and DC comics. The specific part of the fight in question is very inspired by gurren, as has been said. In gurren lagann, every galaxy they ever showed was a universe. Death battle loves to include various elements from both characters settings. They aren’t perfect but they very often pay attention to details like this. Making them galaxies rather than universes would not just outright contradict both gurren’s setting and actual narrative, but also mention just be a weird, head scratching decision to make. An explicate change like that would be weird af lol. Besides, they never came out and said they were galaxies or universes. Literally all of this is based on assumptions, including on your end. The problem then is that you just have less strong reasoning to back your words up, such as the fact that they ‘look like galaxies’ when they also look the exact same way in the show despite the fact you’ve admitted to knowing that in canon they are indeed universes. Meanwhile, our reasons are based on the shows canon, which itself is what the animation is also based on..
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Weird, according to the CANON of Dragon Ball Beerus hakai is stated and said to be able to destroy souls in time, space and history and yet those properties aren't on his Death Battle's profile, HOW CURIOUS?? Why aren't they then? You said it, they care about the canon and the fights are based on their canon, so why aren't those properties on his profile? After all you care so much about the CANON and LORE of the settings of the combatants, right?

Also on the "putting shit from their settings", next time are you going to tell me something incredibly idiotic like that because the Source Wall appeared in the animation we have to put them both in at least 13 D in power, after all that's part of the CANON in DC right??
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
Weird, according to the CANON of Dragon Ball Beerus hakai is stated and said to be able to destroy souls in time, space and history and yet those properties aren't on his Death Battle's profile, HOW CURIOUS?? Why aren't they then? You said it, they care about the canon and the fights are based on their canon, so why aren't those properties on his profile? After all you care so much about the CANON and LORE of the settings of the combatants, right?

Also on the "putting shit from their settings", next time are you going to tell me something incredibly idiotic like that because the Source Wall appeared in the animation we have to put them both in at least 13 D in power, after all that's part of the CANON in DC right??
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Watch yourself. You’re teetering on the edge of personal insults dude. I already said I’m dropping this conversation.
 
Hot take: Simon vs Kyle fight animation was barely a 8 out of 10, the choreography let a lot to be desired, the fight progression was incredibly rushed, for every amount of pretty colors and cool animation frames there was as much jank and poorly draw ones, their arsenal was used ina lackluster way, this really needed more time in the oven and Bowser vs Eggman is still way superior as a fight, even with the poorly characterized Eggman.
 
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Zyurtunder13 said:
I'm going to say this one last time before I get bombarded with more dumb arguments and paragraphs without actual meaning, yes, those are Universes (with higher dimensionally mind you) in the actual show of Gurren Lagann, but this isn't the show, this is an animation of a Death Battle, there's no indication anywhere in the animation that those are Universes instead of just being Galaxies,
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Bro. What you are looking at underneath TTGL when it first appears is a Super Spiral Universe. There is no shot the 'galaxies' there aren't at the very least massively bigger than actual galaxies there, even ignoring animator intent. It's literally in the name 💀
Zyurtunder13 said:
Also on the "putting shit from their settings", next time are you going to tell me something incredibly idiotic like that because the Source Wall appeared in the animation we have to put them both in at least 13 D in power, after all that's part of the CANON in DC right??
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This is completely different, the profiles go off of feats, not what the stats of something in their home universe is that appears in the animation. But when you look at a GL universe in the animation, you already know what size they're supposed to be, and that they're universes, given again their job is to make it as accurate as possible to ther source material. When TTGL starts dissipating them, that's just straight up universal, since we see it destroy what is intended to be universes. You can't visually represent an 11-D structure in short animations like that, but you can represent universes and what size they are compared to the characters like they do here

Also, if scripts aren't enough, the storyboards literally used GL scenes as a direct reference, like with TTGL's appearances, including the universes in the backround. There is, once again, no shot that's not the intent when them lmfao, it's once again very obvious.

Speaking of, can you answer my question instead of ignoring it?
If you were an animator for that episode, why WOULDN'T you base Gurren Lagann Universes off of, well, Gurren Lagann Universes?
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Rayfire said:
Bro. What you are looking at underneath TTGL when it first appears is a Super Spiral Universe. There is no shot the 'galaxies' there aren't at the very least massively bigger than actual galaxies there, even ignoring animator intent. It's literally in the name 💀

This is completely different, the profiles go off of feats, not what the stats of something in their home universe is that appears in the animation. But when you look at a GL universe in the animation, you already know what size they're supposed to be, and that they're universes, given again their job is to make it as accurate as possible to ther source material. When TTGL starts dissipating them, that's just straight up universal, since we see it destroy what is intended to be universes. You can't visually represent an 11-D structure in short animations like that, but you can represent universes and what size they are compared to the characters like they do here

Also, if scripts aren't enough, the storyboards literally used GL scenes as a direct reference, like with TTGL's appearances, including the universes in the backround. There is, once again, no shot that's not the intent when them lmfao, it's once again very obvious.

Speaking of, can you answer my question instead of ignoring it?
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Yeah, I don't care anymore, you can believe whatever you want, it wouldn't make it true tho, but you can, and if you tried to use your dumb arguments as proof and make profiles based on that, I'm just going to get them deleted.
Also it doesn't really show anything special that would make them anything more than Galaxies, before Kyle goes White Lantern and Simon goes TTGL they were just fighting across planets and the background was just a generic starry background, so TTGL at best grow above a Galaxy according to the animation, so your argument is still baseless and pointless
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
Also it doesn't really show anything special that would make them anything more than Galaxies, before Kyle goes White Lantern and Simon goes TTGL they were just fighting across planets and the background was just a generic starry background, so TTGL at best grow above a Galaxy according to the animation, so your argument is still baseless and pointless
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...When it's foot alone completely dwarfed said starry background? And again, what they stand on is a Super Spiral Universe. It's kind of in the name, and it's a matter of knowing how big a galaxy is compared to a universe to understand how they clearly aren't galaxy-sized, lol
Zyurtunder13 said:
Yeah, I don't care anymore, you can believe whatever you want, it wouldn't make it true tho, but you can, and if you tried to use your dumb arguments as proof and make profiles based on that, I'm just going to get them deleted.
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Crazy you say that and still try to make yourself seem right when everyone else agrees it's plainly obvious they're meant to be universes lmfao

You can call what i'm saying baseless all you want, but the question that you've dodged twice now kinda proves my point, all it takes is using your brain a little bit to figure out the intent behind them. There's really no reason for them to make them galaxy-sized instead, and that's precisely why they use the universe design in GL for the storyboards i showed you.
If you were an animator for that episode, why WOULDN'T you base Gurren Lagann Universes off of, well, Gurren Lagann Universes?
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Have a good rest of your day, man
 
Rayfire said:
...When it's foot alone completely dwarfed said starry background? And again, what they stand on is a Super Spiral Universe. It's kind of in the name, and it's a matter of knowing how big a galaxy is compared to a universe to understand how they clearly aren't galaxy-sized, lol

Have a good rest of your day, man
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I known what that thing is in the actual show, I'm not an idiot, but thanks for basically calling me that, very nice of you.
Have a nice day too.
 
Diamond_Drone said:
Decided to recalculate some Metal Sonic feats and included some new ones.
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Hey, if anyone's unaware, I did put these calcs on Alt Battle's CRT thingy. I don't really know how many agreements I need to apply things on there, but I think it'll be fine.

Oh and I also have some Goku VS Superman feats calculated and recalculated (Gives pretty massive upgrades for GvS 1/2), but I'm trying to see if there are any more feats I can get before I release the blog (Maybe from the third one? Need to check to be sure).
 
Diamond_Drone said:
Oh and I also have some Goku VS Superman feats calculated and recalculated (Gives pretty massive upgrades for GvS 1/2), but I'm trying to see if there are any more feats I can get before I release the blog (Maybe from the third one? Need to check to be sure).
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Made the calcs a month ago, upgrades the Celestial feats that Goku/Superman have to Brown Dwarf level, also gives Superman a range of around 200 meters. Also a reminder that the Scooby/Courage calcs are all finished so... if anyone wants to make profiles for them, they can.

Also uhh, something that some people have already noticed. Rayfire's Saitama Speed calc is not on Alt Battles, so it's just a red error on Saitama's profile.
 
DB profiles were moved to alt battle wiki, so not many fcoc users feel like doing them anymore lol
 
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Definitely gonna make a Cell profile and new Metal key when that episode comes out, and maybe work on making profiles for other episode that have come out beforehand
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Definitely gonna make a Cell profile and new Metal key when that episode comes out, and maybe work on making profiles for other episode that have come out beforehand
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It would probably be best to wait for the Metal Sonic CRT posted above to be concluded before adding anything from the new episode, though it's taking such a long time that I thought about calling some staff.

As for stuff unrelated to Metal Sonic, I have made calcs for Miles vs Deku, which would give 8-C base with Low 7-C, possibly Low 7-B super forms I guess?
 
I didn't even know a CRT was made for metal but sure I can wait, maybe try promoting the thread on the alt battles discord incase you haven't already
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
You should add that he uses tactics like using his duplicates as a way to gain time while charging up the Special Beam Cannon
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A standard tactics section got added
Standard Tactics: Cell would make an introduction for himself and call upon the opponent to face him directly. His tactics are normally a mixture of attacking from a range with either Ki blasts or thrown objects, and attacking the opponent head on with multiple strikes and throwing them into structures. When the opponent is in an immobile position, such as dealing with multiple clones of Cell, he'd take the opportunity to utilize charged-up attacks. When getting pressed by the opponent Cell would spawn upon Cell Jrs. for aid, and as a last resort he'd gamble it into a Kamehameha to finish off the opponent.
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