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DCEU Gets tier 6 back
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What do the rest of you think about this?
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Should be fine
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Makes more sense
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Why is DCEU High 6-C, and why are some feats removed? Superman shifted freaking tectonic plate! That alone puts him at Country level or 6-B. He separated weakend Unity. That is even more impressive as Unity destroys worlds or changes them into copy of Apokolips. And how come the World Engine is Large Island level? Are you seriously telling me that changing mas and gravity and topografy of the Earth, and atmosphere, takes just few hundred gigatons of energy? Krypton is larger than Earth and normaly has greater gravity, atmosphere is not compatible to humans or life forms from Earth. So how can changing Earth to Krypton take only few hundred gigatons? I am open to every logical opinion.
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The Tectonic plate had no viable speed value to use for KE and all were based on wonky assumptions. But Clark still maintains Class Z LS because of this feat.
The Mother Boxes were chain-reaction based, Supes didn't survive the actual explosion that would set about the world wipe.
The World Engine is High 6-C because it changes the topography of the Earth OVER TIME. Not at once in one singular world-wiping attack/explosion. Over time it will achieve the High 6-A 686 petaton result, but divide that over a few weeks to two months and the actual energy per second yield is in the hundreds of gigatons range. We do not assume energy to accumulate over time into one singular value, but rather with feats like this we account for the amount of energy tanked within one singular second. Joules per second. Watts essentially.
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Moon level what?
Someone is just asking questions
Nothing, everything here is concluded
Someone is just asking questions
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Yes
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If we're not using the feat in general, why does Clark still have Class Z?
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Since there seems to be a remaining question here, I reopened this thread.
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It seems weird to use a random newspaper title for an alleged off-screen feat with no context to how the tectonic plate was "shifted", but ok
If it's Ares' death shaking the world, I dunno whether it counts as a feat that can be used to scale to his regular AP and stuff
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Simplest options is he pushed it, the ambiguity is why it’s a “possibly” rating
It is
I bring it up because it’s explicitly because of his lightning bolt, considering Diana was able to deflect and Absorb the blasts she could arguably scale above it when she’s unlocked her true potential
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Alright
Was it? I thought it was only because of Ares dying. If the planet shaking was explicitly stated to be because of his lightning, then sure
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Technically it’s both, when Diana redirected his blast it created a huge crater and “shook the world”, Killing the God of War finally
It’s worth noting Zeus (an equal of Ares’) was able to conjure Themyscira when he couldn’t even cast Thunderbolts so that could imply the lightning of the Gods is > Low Tier 6
this would only scale to people around Awakened Diana’s level though, Ares absolutely died to this (though it constituted a vast amount of his power) and Diana was getting stomped for half the fight (so at best a possibly higher rating for her)
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Alright. Thanks for clarifying
So I'm guessing Low 6-B for Post-Awakening Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Steppenwolf, etc., while Zeus, Prime Ares, Superman and co. get "At least Low 6-B"
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The Tectonic plate had no viable speed value to use for KE and all were based on wonky assumptions. But Clark still maintains Class Z LS because of this feat.
So what? Most things are based on assumption. And if Clarkhas strength on Class Z that is easy to calculate how much energy you would need to move object that is heavy as small planet.
The Mother Boxes were chain-reaction based, Supes didn't survive the actual explosion that would set about the world wipe.
Yes that is true. In Snyder Cut Unity destroyed everyone that was near it. But that means that Superman is not durable enough to whitstand the power of Unity. We are talking about separating the Unity, not the ability to endure it´s power. If Superman can shift tectonic plate to prevent devastating earthquake (and he had to move that thing fast), then imagine how much force would need to remove two Mother Boxes held by energy field after Cyborg weakened the Unity. Being that is capable of shifting tectonic plate to prevent devastating earthquake was strugling to separate two Mother Boxes? If field that held them togeather was not that strong then why did Superman had to struggle to separate them?
The World Engine is High 6-C because it changes the topography of the Earth OVER TIME. Not at once in one singular world-wiping attack/explosion. Over time it will achieve the High 6-A 686 petaton result, but divide that over a few weeks to two months and the actual energy per second yield is in the hundreds of gigatons range. We do not assume energy to accumulate over time into one singular value, but rather with feats like this we account for the amount of energy tanked within one singular second. Joules per second. Watts essentially.
So if terraformation doesn´t happen in few seconds then it means that it takes less energy?
So cute. So you think that increase of Earth´s gravity and mass would not cause destruction of surface? Planet is not baloon that you can just make bigger by filling it with air and surface would remain the same, only overall size would change. Rock is not elastic as rubber. Here is little example of brute forcing terraformation.BRUTE TERRAFORMATION OF MARS
Releasing oxygen from Martian rocks requires melting the rock, usually composed of about 30% oxygen, and breaking the chemical bonds. What results is a melt of mixed metals, like iron, and semi-metals, like silicon, and oxygen gas, plus hardy compounds like aluminum oxide. For every kilogram of oxygen released, about 30 megajoules of energy are needed. Earth-normal oxygen levels require a partial pressure of 20 kilopascals (20 kPa), which means a mass of 5.4 tons of oxygen for every square metre of Martian surface – 775 trillion tons in total. The total energy required is 10 yottajoules. Warming Mars to Earth-like levels, via collecting more solar energy with a vast solar mirror array, means collecting and directing about 50 petawatts of solar energy (equal to about 10 laser-sail starships). Before we use that energy to gently warm Mars, it can be concentrated via a “lens” into a solar-torch able to burn oxygen out of Mars’s rocks. With 50 petawatts of useful energy the lens can liberate sufficient oxygen for breathing in a bit over 6 years. Using 17.5 petawatts would require about 18 years.
The final task, creating an artificial magnetosphere, is puny by comparison. A superconducting magnetic loop, wrapped around the Martian equator, can be used, powered up to a magnetic field energy of ~620,000 trillion joules (620 petajoules), by about 12.4 seconds of energy from the solar-mirrors. This is sufficient to create a magnetosphere about 8 times the size of Mars, much like Earth’s.
That is for making Mars into Earth like planet.
Making Earth into Krypton in few weeks is impressive. What i want to say is the World Engine is underrated.
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Well Zeus was dying when he created Themyscira. It was stated tha he used last of his power to create island of Themyscira and he kicked the bucket after that. Imagine person in dying bed. That was Zeus when he created Themyscira. Imagine how powerful he was when he was in his prime. Just to mention that Ares enhanced his power by using violence in the world so that he can kill all gods, and even that Zeus defeated him.
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So the way that the feat was calculated wasn't accurate and had a bunch of problems that ultimately caused it to not be used for AP. Even the person who originally calculated it said it was bullshit
The total energy output is Multi-Continent level (aka the basic "destroy the surface of Earth" value), but the World Engine only unleashes all of that over a long period of time and not immediately, so the value is then divided it by the number of seconds it takes and the output per second is only Large Island level, which is what Superman and co. scale to
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"destroy the entire surface of Earth" value is the main problem. Creation feat would make more valid calculation. And technically creating was included because the World Engine was creating new Krypton.
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Considering Pre-Awakening Wonder Woman scales to a 1.94 ton feat, would weakened Ares be able to upscale to baseline High 8-C (2 tons), considering it'd only be a 3 percent increase?
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Sounds alright
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Someone has to fix that. Because High 6-C for terraforming planet is so emabarrassing.
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Something that would be done via super destructive shockwaves + over the course of literal weeks as stated by the official novelisation
Calc group members don't give a **** if you think High 6-C is embarrassing or not.
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I know that, and that makes them look bad because they are as you say Calc group. If Calc group cant make right calculations then their validity is gone.
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Calc group members evaluate the calcs and decide whether they're bullshit or not. This one was evaluated by multiple members and they approved of the surface wiping method when it was added
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OK. I guess calc group won´t make any scientific breakthroughs any soon.
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