DC Comics Discussion Thread

[EgyptianGodRaw]

https://twitter.com/mypauljenkins/status/818178924735844354

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we have already incorporated higher-dimensional geometry into the higher DC Comics cosmic entities profiles. The Endless are infinite-dimensional for example.

However, take note that Grant Morrison's Multiversity established that the regular DC multiverse is 11-dimensional, based on string theory.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

I'm not arguing about the tiers but according to Paul jenkins who wrote the deadman comic alongside with demattis Rama Kushna was referring to higher dimensions

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Deadman and Justice League Dark write DC as being Infinite-Dimensional. That much is undeniable.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but the main local DC multiverse is still 11-dimensional. However, there is an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space reality beyond it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's more like Vertigo's Infinitely-Layered Hilbert-Space and Grant Morrison's String-Theory Multiverse don't overlap much.

 

[Antvasima]

True, but Deadman and Justice League Dark are within the regular DC continuity. The best way to make sense of it, is to simply conclude that there exist infinite higher levels of reality beyond the regular multiverse.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Considering Pralaya explictly said she destroyed the Multiverse, before destroying all Spatial and Temporal Dimensions, that can work.

 

[Antvasima]

Yup.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

Is world tree they showed in Jld dark story same as the one they showed in Vertigo?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes. Both are the center of all creation.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

Is the Source weaker then Pralaya ? Just asking ? He is created alongside with the universe or creation

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I wouldn't mind 1-A Source.

On the other hand, The 90s Spectre comics treat The Source and The Word as equal / synonimous, and The Word is just an aspect of Yahweh.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it was placed at the top of Grant Morrison's 11-dimensional multiversal hierarchy, as far as I am aware, but there may or may not be other instances that contradict this.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It was placed alongside The Void as outside everything. But I dunno.

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps we should give it an Unknown rating then?

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

Well Source is referred as bramhan concept in one of the comics .

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79eIFUxoP...bWYL8bXs6bVoB2sCxTSb_8rjEcnNGaJNztsiUj9CGR=s0 . The Source is created from the boundless void itself

Here some info

Takion meets the Source in boundless timeless space

http://i.imgur.com/JuYMbbZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fHjBa9S.jpg

 

[Antvasima]

Could you provide a scan or issue number please?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Here is another issue:

The Source is described as being "Boundless and Timeless"

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

Fourth world jack kirby issue #1

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Perhaps "Unknown. Possibly 1-A" then? What does the ACF wiki rank it as?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It doesn't even have an ACF Wiki page. Also, the ACF WIki itself admits that their non-anime profiles are inaccurate.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the staff does not heavily check up their reliability in any case. Good point.

 

[Antvasima]

So, what do you think of my suggestion? More evidence would be appreciate of course, and we will likely have to discount "Death of the New Gods".

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

At least High 1-C, possibly 1-A (Often considered to be the binding / creating force of the entire Multiverse, or its totality. Though also described as "boundless and timeless", and said to exist in the void beyond all creation)

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

According to Grant Morrison from Final Crisis The Source cannot be halved , divivded and contained . So he probably retconned the new god event alongside with new gods avatars

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/YuNKvKVaFD...QMhmZqTxYVVyuzVd_ioj_pesVT62mWcIaoWRsRKMz0=s0

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew That should be fine, I think.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

There is also a spectre comic which depicts the source as boundless entity .

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Do you have scans available?

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xwXts0WNFY4/VesWXSxctQI/AAAAAAAPnDw/YPsrIA0zFYw/s1600/118_20.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qXSdfI3FBcA/VesWWo9BN_I/AAAAAAAPnDg/zrxqacsgAYw/s1600/118_19.jpg

Godhead is an aspect of the Source :

it contained everything and everyone in creation, past, present and future:

http://i.imgur.com/MD9Hbj6.jpg

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

How do those prove that it is?

The Spectre scans are treating the Logos / Voice as being an avatar of The Presence.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

IDK . According to the writer spectre merged with the source which exists beyond the threshold .

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, that is the Void, and it's an outlier.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

OK . I'm not going to argue demattis spectre scan

From what I read from the stories in DC , The Source is an intelligent aspect of the presence which serves as the source of all things .

" Out of this ( void ) was born that which is Eternal , That which is the all , but beyond the all "

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79eIFUxoP...bWYL8bXs6bVoB2sCxTSb_8rjEcnNGaJNztsiUj9CGR=s0

God head

We touched that which is beyond us all . yet within us all . The core from which all creation emnates .

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111302904/5567032-0098319778-16.jp.jpg

Green even exists in lucifers creation .

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

Grant Morrison confirms Mandrakk is the Avatar of a DC Comics Editor, and that he can destroy DC fiction

Grant Morrison's Superman Saga, Pt. III

Superman has fought angles and dark gods before, but here he faces the end of existence. The end of his fictional realm at the hands of a cosmically-charged editor in the form of Mandrakk who would suck the life out of every character, every story.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it would be kind of funny if Mandrakk is intended to symbolise Dan Didio, who has done his utmost to destroy everything enjoyable about DC over the years.

 

[EgyptianGodRaw]

lol

 

[Antvasima]

Regardless, within the story itself, Mandrakk was strictly presented as a threat to the DC Multiverse itself.