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DC Comics Discussion Thread

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EgyptianGodRaw said:
https://imgur.com/bf7PcaK

Does Night and Time predates the dreamers ?
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That is utterly fantastic! I've always wondered if the "black" Void is the "night" that is spoken of. In many versions of "the beginning," the black void is the only thing that exists, implying that it was present before the beginning as well.
 
WHAT THE HELL ? I just found out some evidence of Great evil beast .

The Spectre could'v beaten him if he was at peak level power

http://imgur.com/RGhkwxi

Spectre wasn't at his a peak when he fought him .

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887317/26.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887318/27.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887320/28.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887321/29.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887323/30.jpg.html

[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.870588)] The Great Evil Beast was nothing but a tiny portion of the Spectre's ectoplasm´╗┐[/COLOR]

http://imgur.com/8tPWDvz
 
Actually EgyptianGodRaw, I wanted to get your take on something. I was discussing Green Lantern/New Gods: Godhead a little earlier in another thread. I was wrong about a lot of things, but after re-reading Godhead, I noticed a few things during the Creation account:

1) In the beginning, there was only the Void, nothing else. The Hand was the next being to appear, who introduced the "Energy of Life" as a bright flash (mirroring Green Lantern's creation story). This supposedly created everything else and implies the Hand is the Creator.

The Light supposedly gave rise to the DC Multiverse. It seems to be the same as Grant Morrison's version, as the Source Wall in Godhead surrounds the entire Multiverse.

2) In Jack Kirby's Fourth World, it is also said that reality began as a Void, but due to the work of "energies", the Source was born out of that. Could it be possible that the writers of Godhead tried to use the Hand to explain the creation of the Source?

3) The Light produced by the Hand is stated to have emitted a "roar" at the point of introduction, which is much like the Word. It also states that "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was the Source." Could the "roar" produced by the light be the Word in question?

To me, it sounds like the writers are trying to do what Mr. Morrison does and attempt to unify a series of otherwise contradictory elements. In this case, unifying the origin stories in Green Lantern, The Fourth World and Sandman with the current DC Multiverse.

EDIT: I'm not going to discuss the issue any further. I just want to hear someone else's take on it. That's all.
 
EgyptianGodRaw said:
WHAT THE HELL ? I just found out some evidence of Great evil beast .

The Spectre could'v beaten him if he was at peak level power

http://imgur.com/RGhkwxi

Spectre wasn't at his a peak when he fought him .

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887317/26.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887318/27.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887320/28.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887321/29.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32887323/30.jpg.html

[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.870588)] The Great Evil Beast was nothing but a tiny portion of the Spectre's ectoplasm´╗┐[/COLOR]

http://imgur.com/8tPWDvz
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It makes some sense, as the Spectre has his power and actions regulated by the Presence. I don't think it would change his Tier at all. Even if it did, it could probably be dismissed as an inconsistency (like the version of the Spectre that got "erased" and became the Void).
 
I did raise the question as to whether or not it could be dismissed as an outlier. I also said that, in the end, the Creation story in Godhead tries to unify contradictory elements. It probably should be ignored entirely.

We may not be consistent or "making sense" because we are talking about material that contradicts the more consistent material. It's probably best to avoid all discussion on such matters.
 
Spectre is a casual 2-A at full power, and his Unbound Form is unquantifiably immensely stronger, though we don't know by how much.

However, he is absolutely not 1-A. The only 1-A feats he has (Fusing with The Source and The Void) are done through outside forces, aka, God's own will.
 
No objections there.

Fusing with the Source was definitely due to the power of the Source. However, his other feat (becoming the Overvoid) was due to the power of the Void. In doing so, he was able to connect with the only thing that truly exists and contains and surpasses everything and everyone (the Creator). I personally attribute that story more with Hal Jordan than with the Spectre.
 
Do you mean Mother Night? If so, she is more powerful than the Endless.
 
Pretty sure she's featless, so it's best not to assume. In addition, not all storylines portray "regular people" from Higher-Dimensions as immensely powerful.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I think you guys aren't making sense nor being consistent, nor understanding the concept of outliers.
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I'm not trying to upgrade him or treating those feats as legit .
 
^Ditto, now. Before, I was treating some of these inconsistent events as though they happened. But now, it is just interesting to talk about them, not use them legit. I still found Mr. DeMatteis' comments on the primal source of creation fascinating.

The whole interaction between The Creator, the Void and Creation is very interesting in the DCU. The easiest explanation is that both the Creator and Creation originated in the Void. That seems to cause the least inconsistencies.

However, three (possibly four) events (that take place at Tier 1A level) seem to indicate that the Creator (not the Presence) exists independent of the Void and Creation. Should we just treat them with a grain of salt?
 
A few scans further showing that the Logoz (or Word) is more or less the same thing as the Source:

http://i.imgur.com/PZlRDuD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vjE4F2w.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gYnHecF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wBGmecg.jpg

The Logoz is shown as being fundamental to connecting not only to the Presence, but to the Source (which is more or less the same as the Presence). From the Source flows the New Creation, birthed by the Light of Creation, the Essence of the two Presences and that of the Source itself.
 
I've been saying this for a while now, The Logos (Word) and The Source are too sides of the same thing.
 
People listen ;). Well, I do believe that the Source is genuinely the Source of all things:

http://i.imgur.com/nL6fElx.jpg

The Logoz is the Source because the Source is everything. The Word just has the power to connect to the Source. If you have the Word, you have the Source.

There are some scans that make me believe the Presence originated inside of the Source (or that the Presence is the Source taken form):

http://i.imgur.com/Aiy3lO7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JnZwI6g.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ju34KLl.jpg

The bunch of scans I posted earlier also make me believe that the Presence originated inside the Source, as it mentions the Essence of God and Goddess being a part of it's power.

I'm trying to find it, but there was a scan where the Spectre talks to the Presence and it sounds like a man, but it later has a sex change and becomes a lady. I don't know if this refers to the original Presence and Elaine Belloc.
 
Most likely it is just DC's standard severe inconsistency.
 
I am starting to grow tired of this endless meaningless prattle, and the thread is very long. Should we close it?
 
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