Without evidence linking the concept of a dream directly to Buddy, I do not see why we'd add it to his profile.
In real life, sure. That is not often the case in fiction, especially when we are referring to the creation of a universe.
This is incoherent.
I'd love to see specific examples.
Then how is that relevant to Animal Man's profile? Reality being a dream is only relevant to tiering when we are able to contrast it against the dreamer.
I get that and I’m not disproving the space been a low 1-C space what I am saying is how does that fit into his whole cosmology
There is evidence, I'm not going ad nauseum with you when I've explained why. You're inability to comprehend what I've said is not my problem.
What Universe is specifically a Dream without a Dreamer? Not an Illusion, or such, specifically just a Dream without a Dreamer.
Not my problem you don't know what precedent is.
Because there exists a cosmology itself outside of Animal Man?
You.
I mean actual things that I have said which you consider "absurdly vitriolic."
Again, I don't understand why "wanking" is in quotes when I never used that term.
That is a perfectly legitimate sentiment, given that Xearsay has a consistent history of this behaviour, and given that he is mostly repeating himself regarding arguments that were firmly rejected and debunked in other discussion threads.
I'm sorry, but I disagree, his arguments are new, and have gathered a decent amount of support from people knowledgeable on dimensional tiering.
Reading through this thread I’m not all convinced that’s remotely true
If you have already provided reasoning, it would be trivial to copy and paste your explanation. The reality is you haven't actually explained why. If you are going to refuse to do so, that's your business.
Are you not asserting in this very thread that reality is a dream, but Buddy is not the dreamer? If not Buddy, then who?
Outside of the Animal Man story, the cosmology is dictated by different storylines. The main reason why we are tiering specifically from cosmology in the Animal Man storyline is because it is utterly incompatible with the mainstream DC cosmology.
I can't see the value of that support if none of them have explained how or why they agree with the tiering. Simply coming into a thread and saying "I agree" means very little if none of the main points of contention can be meaningfully addressed.
Three pages is hardly forever.
It is based on a history outside of this thread.
I am not saying it has gone on forever, I am saying it might go on forever(future).
Given that the contention is being debated against, it clearly means they agree with Xearsay's points more than yours, it's not like there's no rebuttals to your arguments actively going on.
I do not think they are, and the problem is that he seem to be misrepresenting the context of what he is claiming and does not provide adequate schematic reasoning for the ridiculously extreme tiers that he wants to impose.
This is not something you can use to ignore their opinions, though, after all context is well presented and everything is sourced.
What debate? Currently thIs has turned into one side trying to discredit Deagonx in a neverending series of ad hominem derailment posts, rather than focusing on receiving matter-of-fact evidence and schematic logical reasoning from Xearsay which can then be evaluated.
Ant.
Ant. That's the biggest load of Cope and projection I've ever seen.
Hey, can you please also try and give the OP an in depth read? And get the context
I mean, my arguments are being replied to, certainly.
It's formatted in a clean way, and there are links to scans. However, his core arguments have not been justified or sourced. There is a lot, and I mean a lot of assumptions cooked into each of the arguments that don't seem to have clear support for them, and Xear has repeatedly refused to provide a clear explanation of how/why he arrived at the tiers he did.
What? Xear is actively arguing for high 1-A for different aspects of the cosmology.
This thread seems to be more about Xearsay's and Deagon's character rn rather than Animal Man, it's getting badly derailed.
It’s the whole thing above 1-C I’m discrediting
The topic you've been arguing for 3 pages now continually is the Dream part.
DC Comics is a completely incoherent mess in terms of cohesive continuity and as can be readily seen in many respect threads for its characters, it is easy to misrepresent contexts, which often require reading the full stories to get a decent grasp of.
Xearsay litterally got threatened with a discussion ban which YOU seemed to side with, please don’t talk about discrediting arguments
None of which says that Xearsay hasn't done.
Tries to close the thread and end the argument straight away after the very start of the disagreements. Disingeniously claims that this is a malicious attempt to do an upgrade on what? The basis that he's "tried to do this before" micharacterizing his arguments as if there wasn't new evidence at play.
Keep in mind this is a thread that had new information with an ongoing discourse before. Ant is clearly trying to use his powers to shut down this discourse. Ive already seen him act this way before (2-A Superman removal).
Low 1-C would fit with other parts of the established Morrison cosmology, but as far as Xearsay told me earlier, he wants High 1-A for the greatest parts of the cosmology.
I briefly asked about input regarding if it was a good idea, given that I have seen Xearsay relentlessly try to exaggerate DC Comics tiers in other threads, no matter how thoroughly his claims were disproven, but I admittedly do not always have a good sense of judgement regarding what I say, and given that I am in theory sort of in charge here (even though I almost always let others make the decisions), if I offhandedly say something ill-considered it tends to give rise to much greater overreactions than if somebody else does so.
Because this exact topic had already been discussed to satisfaction in another thread. It isn't as though Ant simply wanted to close it for no reason.
There really isn't. It's repackaged from the last thread, in many cases almost verbatim.
I don't see anything improper about Ant's behavior in this thread. Suggesting that a thread might be closed is hardly some mortal sin, especially since Xear's last attempt at this was already closed several months ago. People are acting like he killed someone's first born son for asking a question.
Have you read Animal Man?
Okay, I agree that musing out loud in a stream of consciousness wasn't a good idea.
Yes, I did, but it was long ago.
...Then how is that misrepresenting anything and most of the argument has been for the Low 1-C part of the cosmology, Xearsay saying that they want High 1-A at the start of the thread is outdated in the extreme by the preceding arguments and events, he can't misrepresent anything for "extreme tiers" if everything has been focused on Low 1-C.
Disagreeing with you isn't exaggerating DC comic tiers.
Presenting counter-arguments isn't a crime.
That is correct, yes, but I sometimes get impatient due to repeatedly having to deal with similar arguments from the same people, in combination with quickly jumping between different tasks, which doesn't always end well if my attention is strained and I do not consider my responses well.
Thank you for the support.
