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If not the feat from Ep 69, what speed feat does Beerus downscale from right now then? The profile doesn’t specify.
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DBS speed problem
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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It's still can be calced as a speed feat for Whis and other angels, with GP upscaling from this
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I mean, it's already calc'd tho, it's on Whis's profile, the Angels definitely scale to it and GP massively upscales from it.
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Just, don't scale anyone below Whis to him? We should find something else to scale them to, such as the Beerus feat Maverick has sent.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Oh so that's the 498 quadrillion c feat. Makes sense.
As for Beerus and the others, they should get another speed feat for them. Maybe Battle of Gods have something and then the rest of DBD can be worked from there
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I read an old thread about Beerus scaling to Whis in speed and they couldn't dig up anything concrete either.
It seems the best we got is the vague nebula feat that I roughly calced near the start of the thread. We can try to find some more information to get a more polished and accurate number.
Either that, or we just slap "immensely faster than characters like Goku pre-God ki" or something in the description, because we know for a fact that it's far faster.
It seems the best we got is the vague nebula feat that I roughly calced near the start of the thread. We can try to find some more information to get a more polished and accurate number.
Either that, or we just slap "immensely faster than characters like Goku pre-God ki" or something in the description, because we know for a fact that it's far faster.
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that "nebula" feat is easily MFTL+ by a massive bunch, and from what the others said, Goku couldn't sense Beerus's planet even after scanning 5 galaxies with his ki sensing.
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Yeah my rough calc got several dozen millions c, so I'm not surprised.
The real issue is the location of that alien planet. As far as I know, the location is unknown, making Goku's ki sensing pretty much irrelevant. It could be right in Alpha Centauri's system, it could be on the outskirts of Goku's senses, it can even be on the other side of the universe.
Unless I'm wrong and we have some sort of statement from someone being aware that planet exploded?
The real issue is the location of that alien planet. As far as I know, the location is unknown, making Goku's ki sensing pretty much irrelevant. It could be right in Alpha Centauri's system, it could be on the outskirts of Goku's senses, it can even be on the other side of the universe.
Unless I'm wrong and we have some sort of statement from someone being aware that planet exploded?
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It's definitely on the outskirts of Goku's senses, which can go as far as the observable universe (Remember, Universe 7 as a whole comprises of the living observable universe and the larger Kai Realm).
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Although I don’t think scaling to the shockwaves is a good idea, their Ki does cover the entire universe. It even reaches the realm of the Kai.
That’s all I got when it comes to anything other than flight speed. ¯\(ツ)/¯
That’s all I got when it comes to anything other than flight speed. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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From what I've read earlier in this thread his range was only 5 galaxies..?
Either way, it doesn't tell much. I'm not sure why you think the alien planet was on the outskirts of Goku's senses, but assuming that's true, that still only tells us one of two locations needed to find a distance traveled. Which means Beerus could either be universes away or just a centimeter out of Goku's senses.
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I’ll continue addressing some stuff tomorrow (because there’s a lot from the anime that everyone seems to have forgotten), but I think this is what KLOL means. For reference, he tries to find Whis/Beerus across entire galaxies, but they’re too far out.
Idk how it relates to anything except Whis’ top speed, though.
Idk how it relates to anything except Whis’ top speed, though.
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He still got to the planet in 2 minutes and 20 seconds, as Maverick showed.
However, they were only using tiny fractions of their power (I’ll get scans tomorrow), so this isn’t really indicative of anything, let alone Whis’ true speed compared to Beerus.
However, they were only using tiny fractions of their power (I’ll get scans tomorrow), so this isn’t really indicative of anything, let alone Whis’ true speed compared to Beerus.
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They weren't at all stressed with the trip to the planet, so that's certainly not Beerus's maximum speed, yes. If anything I just suspect it's the speed Beerus used against Goku in their fight since Beerus held back, but that's just headcanon more than anything.
My problem is that while we have a time frame of 140 seconds, we don't have a distance because we have zero clue where either two locations are (the alien planet and Beerus's place). The most we got for distances between the two locations is knowing that they're in two different nebulae, and that's about it.
My problem is that while we have a time frame of 140 seconds, we don't have a distance because we have zero clue where either two locations are (the alien planet and Beerus's place). The most we got for distances between the two locations is knowing that they're in two different nebulae, and that's about it.
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He used to downscale from the 72 quad feat of Whis which he performed in the Future Trunks arc when he stopped present Zamasu from killing Gowasu.
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About the scanning through 5 galaxies thing,
This assumes that beerus’s planet is on the very outskirts of what Goku can sense
This is what my thought was on the whole scanning through 5 galaxies thing.
This assumes that beerus’s planet is on the very outskirts of what Goku can sense
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Um, thought?
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Well, is there any reason for anyone to scale to the shockwaves?
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Why would they? You can't really dodge them, they're AoE shockwaves, they're not blasts. It's giving anyone a speed rating for however fast they were going to destroy something.
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Not the shockwaves but their ki lighting up the universe.
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I'm sure that's just a show of intensity rather than speed.
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can't they just scale from beerus reacting to and nullifying the dense energy ball that was gonna destroy the universe ?
it should have the same speed as the shockwaves .
Dragonball characters scale to their blasts's speed anyway right ? like when goku used to train on king kai's planet by shooting kamehamehas and ki blasts at himself and turning around to block them
it should have the same speed as the shockwaves .
Dragonball characters scale to their blasts's speed anyway right ? like when goku used to train on king kai's planet by shooting kamehamehas and ki blasts at himself and turning around to block them
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No, that's like saying dodging a bomb is the equivalent of dodging the explosion itself, those are two different things.
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There's nothing to suggest ki blasts were used during those punches.
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Beerus still used more power against Goku than he did in a while, in fact, he even had to use more power to one-shot an amped Vegeta than he did while moving interstellar distances. Note that he was asleep for 39 years before the series began.
Apparently, a nebulae can range from 1 to 10 AU, while one of the smallest planetary nebulas every found is 0.1 by 0.2 light-years. Assuming half an AU (the radius of the lower-end), Beerus is 1.78215978 SoL. If we use 3162.055 AU, then he's 11270.5745 x SoL.
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This. They scale to the propagation speed of their own ki attacks, not some explosion light that was caused by the collision of two powerful energies. Plus the fact that ki sometimes have inconsistently fast speed where a normal human's ki could reach kaioshin realm in a matter of seconds.
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Does anyone have a link to this?
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See I was going to correct it since my source said that most nebulae tended to be a few hundred light years across, but now after looking through over a dozen sites, apparently the internet has zero clue on how big a nebula is.
I guess we'll have to go with the low end. I still feel that AUs are too small for nebulae though, because the minimum sizes I've been getting other than your link have always been trillions of miles, which means a light year bare minimum.
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It does depend on the type of nebula. Some can be hundreds of parsecs across. The sources I gave were bare minimums, and Whis travelled way further than the radius of the nebula itself (I used this as the basis of my estimates). This should be way further, as even the two closest Binary Systems are 23 AU apart, while most are light-years.
It's the main one on Whis' page, which he performed in the Arale episode shortly after the Future Trunks Saga. Personally, I regard it as very intentional PIS, but it's not necessarily inconsistent.
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That feat only scales to Whis and the Angels though. Not to everyone in general
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But that's not the one where he stops Zamasu from killing Gowasu tho.
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KLOL is referring to the time where Whis traveled through a couple universes to get to Universe 10
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That’s from Episode 59
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Exactly, everywhere I search I always get the value of nebulae being several light years across or even severall million light years across for the common ones
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I suppose it's the one where he took 3 days to get to the centre of the Universe, then. I'll try dig it up, because it did use to be the page's main speed. However, I think it was supposed to be his full speed.
Edit: Actually, the feat is Whis getting to Gowasu's place. It was on the page. However, the calculation is from Narutoforums, so I'll have to search through archives.
Edit 2: No luck. Webarchive is down, and it's not on archive.vn. Using keywords doesn't yield anything.
Edit: Actually, the feat is Whis getting to Gowasu's place. It was on the page. However, the calculation is from Narutoforums, so I'll have to search through archives.
Edit 2: No luck. Webarchive is down, and it's not on archive.vn. Using keywords doesn't yield anything.
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Harvard says the average nebula is a light year.
Your site gives credit to NASA saying 1-10 AU.
Phenomena.org recognizes the average nebula as trillions of miles long, and light years are trillions of miles.
Page 14 of this PDF says nebulae range from 0.1 to 105 light years.
Going off of famous nebulae, Crab Nebula is 5.5 light years across, Omega Nebula is 15, Horsehead Nebula is 3.5 light years.
I think at least 2 light years would be a safe number. Crossing that time in 140 seconds is 450813.228930528974 c.
Your site gives credit to NASA saying 1-10 AU.
Phenomena.org recognizes the average nebula as trillions of miles long, and light years are trillions of miles.
Page 14 of this PDF says nebulae range from 0.1 to 105 light years.
Going off of famous nebulae, Crab Nebula is 5.5 light years across, Omega Nebula is 15, Horsehead Nebula is 3.5 light years.
I think at least 2 light years would be a safe number. Crossing that time in 140 seconds is 450813.228930528974 c.
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I don't think i understand what u mean , he reacted to the energy ball before it expanded and destroyed the universe, so where's the issue ?
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