DBS gohan

[Debunking101]

where did the idea come from that current base goku>ssg ?

i thought it was pretty obvious that goku absorbed god ki into his base form to gain ssg then added ssj to get ssb, and obviously including his ki training with whis.

thats literally what happened.

also how is gohan gonna go from galaxy level to universe level because he tanked a hit from goku who was holding back.

the only reason goku went ssb was because gohan asked for his full power

a lot of things are taken way out of context.

gohan didnt ragdoll ssj2 goku they were pretty much even. he then asked for goku's full power and goku changed into ssb, they traded two punches, how does that equal "forcing goku into ssbk"

 

[Antoniofer]

I think that this is under revision, @Dark is the one creating the blog. All this will be discussed after the ToP.

 

[Debunking101]

the title is clickbait

 

[Antoniofer]

...Eh?

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

Can you please change the title? Seems really odd and innapropriate to be in the Content Revision board.

 

[Antoniofer]

Changed to name to another, maybe I should delete this thread?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It was a different title the first time I saw it. It just said "dbs"

 

[Antoniofer]

It was a different title the first time I saw it. It just said "dbs"

I known, but unfortunately I don't remember it exactly... Is better than the previous one tho.

OP can change it to the original one, but considering that he changed it to a suggestive one... I'm not sure.

 

[Debunking101]

change it if its bad

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

I thought base Goku is 4-B while SSG is 3-B or something?

 

[Antoniofer]

It should be that way, but Toei bump Goku at SSG level at plot convenience; it created a massive inconsistence due that. @Dark is creating a blog to manage that, but I think that the revision will be made after the ToP.

 

[Debunking101]

some people think base goku > ssg

 

[Antvasima]

We will do any Dragon Ball revisions after the current storyarc is over, yes.

 

[Debunking101]

Yeah

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Gohan is 3-A.for being comparable to Blueberry.

 

[Debunking101]

he's not comparable at all. He traded two punches with ssb goku (that's an outlier) then gets one shot by kkx10 goku.

If that's the case then krillin is 3a for beam struggling with goku

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Do not use krillin he's an outlier

We know that beam struggle was be.

Now I don't care about Gohan, DBS is give out power ups left and right so... Hell with it. But if the humans like Roshi, Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin pull some BS it won't be excepted.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Debunking

Please read Gohan's AP. It's very explicit that he's comparable to Goku.

 

[Dark649]

Gohan is 3-A.for being comparable to Blueberry.

In my image list Piccolo damaged Gohan, guess he is 3-A too.

 

[Debunking101]

"Ap" ?

Exactly. Two punches can't equal "comparable" especially since goku was most definitely holding back till ssbk

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Ap means Attack Potency

 

[Debunking101]

Okay then where did anyone get that Gohan is now universal from "punching goku"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In my image list Piccolo damaged Gohan, guess he is 3-A too.

Piccolo is canonically weaker than base Goku and comparable to Base Gohan Pre-Ultimate.

Your blog is very bad in that it is 90% out of context.

 

[Dark649]

For now, sooner or later Super will change that, so it is not necessary to modify my blog.

 

[Bepo4151]

I thought there was an agreement not to upgrade anyone until we get more feats but Gohan has been upgraded anyways because?

 

[Dark649]

Because Matthew didn't want to wait to upgrade his favourite character and Roshi. The discussion rules says ''Avoid creating Dragon Ball Super upgrade threads until the end of the Tournament of Power/Universe Survival Arc. Characters have showed wildly varying power levels over the course of this arc and it would be best to postpone any statistics revisions until it is completed''.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

.-.

Let's not throw shade at each other now.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we were technically going to wait, but I suppose that no harm is done. However, we will have to rethink the scaling of several other characters after the current storyarc, including Piccolo.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah.

I only edited Gohan because the narrator outright stated that he was comparable to Goku.

 

[Dark649]

That is still ok, i'll upgrade my blog with new pictures of the arc, so it will be easier for us to organize the revision.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You can check the OBD's values as well.

 

[Byakuya_"Senbonzakura"_Kuchiki]

Well at least things are okay now regarding for Gohan. The tournament will just improve his skills better than before.

 

[Debunking101]

oml thigns arent fine at all.

matt if thats your reason then i guess gohan is also now comparable to ssbk goku because the narrator never specified meaning gohan is now ssbk level from the narrator saying so.

gohan went full power against goku in ssj2 and then "asked" goku to change he never forced anything, meaning goku could have stayed ss2 and fought gohan or even ssj3

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Debunking101

He doesn't have to. He showed Gohan fighting SSB Goku and said "Gohan showed power that rivals' Goku". Basic reading comprehension leads to an interpretation that Gohan = SSB Goku. If you need to interpret it any other way you are twisting it to fit your goals of not having Gohan be as strong as he is.

Simple context from the fight alone shows Goku went 100% while on SSB.

Your third paragraph is a complete lie, or at least a headcanon unsupported by evidence. Look at the AP on Gohan's profile. It has gifs as evidence. It shows that it really wasn't that. Gohan ragdolled SS2 Goku while holding back and demanded that his father fought all out.

 

[Debunking101]

your last paragraph triggers me. gohan never ragdolled anyone the fight was comepletly even they traded punches. rewatch the fight as a whole and don't pick out the sections where gohan got hits in.

simple context tells us that goku must have held back in ssb because gohan can't go from first form frieza to ssb goku with a couple months of training, common sense tells us that goku didn't go full power because he isn't trying to kill gohan. (common sense isn't an insult).

no the narrator never specified

power that rivals goku could mean ssj2 goku ssb goku or ssbk goku, what you're doing is picking one of the three

 

[Debunking101]

and another thing wrong with his profile is "and forced goku into ssbk" how did that thought even come across anyones mind ? they traded two punches then goku finished the fight.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Gohan never ragdolled.


Context as in the entirety of the fight indicates that Goku went 100% against Gohan after being stomped in SSB by a suppressed Gohan.

Sure Gohan can. Gohan re-awakened his latent potential which Vegeta admitted two arcs before is greater than his or Goku's power. They had established that Ultimate Gohan's potential > Goku and Vegeta arcs before.

Or have you not watched it?

He doesn't have to.

It's obviously not SSJ2 as a suppressed Gohan stomped it.


It's obviously not SSBxKaioken as that form defeated Gohan.

It has to be Super Saiyan Blueberry, as Goku transformed into that form after being stomped as a SSJ2 and being requested to go all out against Gohan, and the form that the two clashed at full strength.





And it's also the form Gohan and Goku were shown fighting during the recap.

 

[PaChi2]

You dont need to sound so agressive, please, try to tone down your posts a little bit. Just an observation.

 

[Debunking101]

again scenes where gohan got hits in isn't the entire fight

sorry if im agressive.

wow a recap ? thats where it says that..... the recaps are sometimes wrong recaps is basically someone speeding through the last episode. it doesnt matter what scene they showed, the narrator never specified meaning it could be any form

two punches don't equal rivaled.

gohan asked him to fight at full power then goku went ssb, you're assuming goku was forced into ssb and then had to fight seriously meanwhile goku only went ssb cause gohan asked him.

gohan is the only one who said see my full power goku didn't say anything, which translates to i'm still holding back.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Debunk

" it doesnt matter what scene they showed, the narrator never specified meaning it could be any form"

It absolutely does. The scene shows the a brief recap of the fight and after it shows Goku going SSB it says that Gohan matched Goku to the two clashing.

"two punches don't equal rivaled"

Sure it does. They clashed, blocked attacks and Gohan even pushed goku away.

"gohan asked him to fight at full power then goku went ssb, you're assuming goku was forced into ssb and then had to fight seriously meanwhile goku only went ssb cause gohan asked him."

I'm not assuming absolutely anything. Goku was ragdolled by suppressed Gohan while a SSJ and got repeated demands to go all out, turning SSB and clashing with Gohan. The later was later stated to rival Goku in power. There is no argument to be had.

Meanwhile you:

> Assume Goku was holding back as a SSJ2 throughout and could have taken Gohan as a SSJ2 > Assume Goku transformed as a SSB but held back with no indication > Despite Gohan stomping SSJ2 and demanding Goku to go all out multiple times which is what channels his transformation > Despite Goku only defeating Gohan AFTER using Kaioken.