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DBS gohan

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@Debunking

Chill. Having to resort to both caps lock and bold doesn't enhance your argumen in the slightest. Rather, it worsen it.

And once again you say that Gohan was using his full power against SSJ2 when he claims that he's using his full power against SSB.

Are you even going to address that? I brought it up like 5 times in this thread and no one did.

Goku went SSB to answer Gohan's request of fighting all out, showing his full power. Both were at 100% then. As evidenced by Goku turning SSB and Gohan powering up a bit more and announcing four times that he's fighting with his full power.

The fact that it didn't cut it and Goku needed Kaioken to beat Gohan shows how strong he is now.
 
@everlasting do you know how old hit is ? he's a thousand years old. he's had 950 years to train before goku was even born

and frieza got beat to crap by vegeta
 
I count three instances where Gohan visibly overpowered and hurt Goku during the fight, the one where he swings Goku around and throws him away after Goku starts going all out in SSJ2, too.

GohanRequestSSJ2
GohanRagdolls
GohanOverpowers
And this is heavily suppressed Gohan as he only used his full power when Goku used his as a Super Saiyan Blue.
 
Debunking101 said:
thats not enough evidence.
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That's why there's six other evidences in the profile. The narrator just puts the final nail in the discussion. It happened and you need to get over it.
 
The Everlasting said:
If SSJB Goku were that far superior, he wouldn't have used Kaio-Ken in the first place.
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if gohan was superior to SSJ2 Goku then he should have able to 1 shot him but he couldnt

+ he couldnt even 1 shot base goku

majority of the fight gohan was overpowered by SSJ2 goku
 
"and tis is heavily supressed gohan" blatant headcanon

gohan had already said he was using full power prior to that moment.

and why are you still nitpicking gohan moments, show the entire fight
 
@Omimi

A heavily suppressed Gohan. Who still overpowered SSJ2 Goku in the end. Did you watch the scene? Read the subtitles.

Do you even Ki Control?
 
I really don't wanna get involved right now but can we please just tone down since I think we should just wait for the tournament to start since this Gohan we're talking about is still not the full one we're gonna see in the tournament. There's no need to cause a war whether he should be where he is or not. Honestly let's just wait it out.
 
Debunking101 said:
"and tis is heavily supressed gohan" blatant headcanon
gohan had already said he was using full power prior to that moment.

and why are you still nitpicking gohan moments, show the entire fight
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Would you kindly explain why Gohan announces that he's fighting at full strength four times after he visibly power ups and dashes towards Blue?

Once again you show an inability to address this, or else the narrative shatters.

GohanVsBlue
GohanForces
 
This should just stop.

we should do what other users have said, which is just waiting for the Arc to finish so we don't end up screwing things up.

Cause right know everything is just repeating itself and this will never end.
 
in those three instances guess who was still in ssj2 ? GOKU was still ssj2.

the sheer amount of times gohan says my full power shows you just how weak he was, he had to repeat the same line three times
 
And then Matt's opposers follow with their facts: Gohan is not 3-A.

You're only going to run in circles with you saying "He's 3-A." and others replying with "He's not 3-A.", which only does the dance again. You can't just reach to get the last word. I really don't care about Gohan, what I care about is this getting carried away into a ragefest. and im not even a mod, but i've seen some close calls coming FROM mods.
 
"the sheer amount of times gohan says my full power shows you just how weak he was, he had to repeat the same line three times"

LMAO.

Are you trying to say that a character is weak because of dramatic dialogue?

Because that's not an argument.

And once again missing my point entirely.
 
@Ari

This is not what's going on.

I am repeatedly showing undeniable evidence that Gohan is 3-A, such as him clashing with 100% SSB Goku, forcing Goku to use Kaioken Blue to win, Vegeta's statement and the narrator statement and the replies involve misinformation and headcanons, such as the demonstrably false ideas that Gohan was 100% during the start of the match and that Goku was suppressing his SSB state and could beat Gohan without even SSJ3.
 
"undeniable evidence" actually its headcanon statements with no bases whatsoever just because you like said character
 
Indepently of who has the last word, we have rules of not changing any DBS profile until the end of the tourtament; with the inconsistence of Toei, anything can happen in the tourtament: any 4-B could be bumped to 3-A, or several 3-A bumped to 4-B, who knowns. I agree with wait, I also agree with Venom and close this thread.
 
@Debunking101

If you knew anything about me you'd know I don't even care for DBS all that much. But I do care for accurate profiles and I gave Gohan the accurate stats. Took the time to make HD 480px gifs for it, grab videos and screenshots.

Accusations that I am using headcanons without demonstrating why are non-arguments.

> Assuming that Goku could beat Gohan with SSJ3 when he needed Kaioken Blue is an assumption

> Saying that Goku was severely suppressed in SSB when nothing suggests that is a headcanon

> Saying that Gohan was 100% during the start of the fight is an outright lie at this point.
 
Alright enough of this. I'm closing this thread. The upgrade stays until an admin other than Matt or Ever or a bureaucrat comes and straighten this out. '''Do not reopen this thread unless you're an admin or bureaucrat.'''
 
Sera Loveheart said:
First of all, it is imperative that anyone makes a Content Revision thread before upgrading/downgrading anything.

Second of all, the Narrator and Vegeta have already given us statements that indeed lean more towards Gohan being 3-A.

Finally, it's best to wait for the end of the arc unless blatant and obvious evidence is presented.
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I agree with Sera. I technically agree with Matthew about Gohan, but since this is a controversial issue, we agreed to wait with upgrades until after the current storyarc is over. As such, I have reverted the changes to Gohan's profile.

Also, regarding the overall situation, Matthew has a tendency to get upset and fight with other staff members, despite that I have talked with him about this repeatedly, which is very damaging to the overall cohesion and good mood of this community.

Administrators are not only supposed to be active and helpful, which Matthew definitely is, but also be able to act with a certain sense of maturity and calm down situations, not make them worse.

He is not the only one at fault however, as others have made continuous attempts to provoke him in other threads than this one, which has triggered his paranoia, a condition that I also suffer from.

Regardless, this situation cannot continue to repeat itself, and I have messaged Kavpeny for advice.

I will close this thread again now.
 
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