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If Goku with 10x Kaioken (Only power level increased) got resistance to time stop hax, so, by powerscaling, we could assume that the God Tiers (Whis, Vados, Beerus and Champa) can also do this ... right?
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No. Beerus and Champa are still stronger. Absolutely nothing implies Goku is stronger than them. And we have a direct statement from Toriyama claiming Goku won't be surpassing Beerus or Whis anytime soon. If he became stronger than them via KK then he'd of surpassed them just like he's surpassed Vegeta, which contradicts the very statement made by the author. So no, he's not stronger than them. That's a simple fact.ShutUp123 said:Goku breaking through time stop is may be due to his large amount of increase in godly ki on temporary basis and may be beerus and champa are not stronger but still wins against goku on the basis of prolong stamina so in this sense goku has not surpassed beerus/champa so breaking through time stop could actually be property of godly ki as it is different kind of power compared to regular ki.
If this time resistance flies for Goku then it flies for anybody above him and that includes Whis, Vados, Beerus, and Champa as he did it purely through sheer strength. It had nothing to do with a special ability, just him being at a certain level.Bats16 said:No. Beerus and Champa are still stronger. Absolutely nothing implies Goku is stronger than them. And we have a direct statement from Toriyama claiming Goku won't be surpassing Beerus or Whis anytime soon. If he became stronger than them via KK then he'd of surpassed them just like he's surpassed Vegeta, which contradicts the very statement made by the author. So no, he's not stronger than them. That's a simple fact.
in db, higher ki gives you advantage over several haxFictionalBlade101 said:IIRC strength really has nothing to do with time abilities so wouldn't goku breaking through it with sheer strength be somewhat unquantifiable?
Yes i know but what i mean is it shouldnt really be a logical, scaleable boost to his power right? Because if its unquantifiable then i really dont see how this boosts Goku's stats now. Its fact he has greater strength because of the kaioken but would there be any specific LEVEL that this would put Goku at?The Living Tribunal1 said:in db, higher ki gives you advantage over several haxFictionalBlade101 said:IIRC strength really has nothing to do with time abilities so wouldn't goku breaking through it with sheer strength be somewhat unquantifiable?
How exactly is Shenron a reality warper? Is it because of wish granting?AllFiction said:Shenron could not make disappear to Vegeta and Nappa, because their power was less than the Saiyans, and remenber that shenron is a reality warping and magic user.
I (unfortunately) believe that it's more of a down for Hit's hax than an up for the god tiers, because of the wording. I'm begging someone to prove me wrong. Please. I want to be wrong in this case.Dragonmasterxyz said:ah okay. well I'd say their ki just overpowers time hax to a certain extent tbh. It isn't an outright immune to time manipulation situation yet.
I could tell u what my friend thinks of this whole thing about Goke moving in Hits time stop if u wantThe real cal howard said:I (unfortunately) believe that it's more of a down for Hit's hax than an up for the god tiers, because of the wording. I'm begging someone to prove me wrong. Please. I want to be wrong in this case.Dragonmasterxyz said:ah okay. well I'd say their ki just overpowers time hax to a certain extent tbh. It isn't an outright immune to time manipulation situation yet.
This is what my friend said on the whole situation overall:The real cal howard said:Please do.
Kk. Happy to help lolThe real cal howard said:Yes. Immensely.
power level > haxHokageMangaVox said:Let me get this right. How is Goku faster than time with Kaioken x 10? This is clearly an outliner or the author doesn't know how time works and it doesn't even make any sense because all he did was use Kaioken x10. So you're telling me that anyone that is 10x times stronger than Kaioken SSGB Goku can ignore Hit's time-skip? That retcon's the whole concept of freezing time if all you need is higher stats and no special ability.
There is no such thing as being "faster than time". because time doesn't have a velocity. it just doesn't make any sense at all. No upgrade for anyone. Is clearly an outliner, until is explain how can Goku move inside of it, if not is just precog.
Its Toriyama, its not suprise if he doesnt know how time worksHokageMangaVox said:Let me get this right. How is Goku faster than time with Kaioken x 10? This is clearly an outliner or the author doesn't know how time works