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This thread is strictly for DBZ and DBGT. No DB manga, no DBS manga, and no DBS anime. Leave them out of this.
Goku: あれ? あの世にしては変なとこに来ちまったぞ。
Huh? I've come to a strange place in Otherworld.
Pan: そこは 時空のはざまで 外からじゃ誰にも助けられないんですって!
That place is between space-times, no one can help you from the outside.
Another clear as day statement, as the space Goku is in is between the universe and otherworld.
Those are several spacetime statements so I think that’s more that enough evidence that U7 in DBZ, GT, Xenoverse and Heroes, is 2-C.
Different cosmologies
I think it's time we stop pretending that U7 in the anime and manga are the same. There are plenty of statements in the anime's favor that aren’t in the manga.Here Popo states that all of the past present and future are created in this room. The other realms, such as the afterlife, weren’t established yet and the other universes don’t seem to exist, so this statement does seem to imply the past present and future of the living universe.
It says "Separated by time and space, the harsh trials that the sleeping father and son must face continue on and on." Goku is in the afterlife and Gohan is on earth. The Narrator says they’re both separated by time and space. That's a super blatant statement that heavily implies that the universe and afterlife are two different spacetime continuums.
Here Shin straight up calls the living universe "the temporal world", which is another straight forward statement.
This was rejected because "Heaven revolves around a sun" or "a planet can't be universe sized", but mainly because of these two photos. Pixel scaling these specific images gives heaven a volume of 264405000000m^3 which is the size of a mountain. This makes no sense because all mortals in the universe are supposed to fit on heaven. We also know in DB that not everything is drawn to scale all the time.
I got a friend to translate it for me and it says:
Goku: あれ? あの世にしては変なとこに来ちまったぞ。
Huh? I've come to a strange place in Otherworld.
Pan: そこは 時空のはざまで 外からじゃ誰にも助けられないんですって!
That place is between space-times, no one can help you from the outside.
Another clear as day statement, as the space Goku is in is between the universe and otherworld.
Those are several spacetime statements so I think that’s more that enough evidence that U7 in DBZ, GT, Xenoverse and Heroes, is 2-C.
The scaling
Otherworld
Due to the heaven statement, the 3-Cs would likely get upgraded with an updated calc.Buu
This feat gets such a bad wrap. Outside Space is the ability Buuhan uses when trying to destroy the universe. This has been dismissed as just hax but wouldn’t something like that need proof? As shown here, Buuhan is simply shooting out ki. It's stated here that Super Buu did it because of his raw power, not hax. The first statement even says that his energy would cover the universe itself and it’s shown destroying the boundaries of the universe. So I think it should be at least "possibly Low 2-C".GT
Omega Shenron is 3-A for his universal statements. With the evidence provided, Omega and SSJ4 Gogeta would be 2-C.Conclusion
If this gets accepted:Toeiverse U7 would be 2-C
Those stronger than Buuhan,like Kid Buu, would be Low 2-C
Omega, Gogeta, and SSJ4 Goku with Dragon Fist would be 2-C
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