Day of the Scarlet Fate:Sisters VS Sisters

[BlastX]

Remilia heard that in Greece there's the so called sister of fate, feeling like she's gotta show those three their place in the who controls Fate Totem pole, she decided to pay them a visit and takes Flandre with her for a sister bonding experience.

It's Remilia & Flandre VS Lahkesis and Atropos, all of them at 2-C.

Battle takes place where the sisters of fate fought Kratos but can be taken anywhere through the mirrors of the place.

Speed is not equal because what's the point if they're both Infinite speed?

"Charisma" & Basement Dweller:0

Kratos simp & the sane one:0

Kratos comes, kills the fates and let's the scarlets go(draw):0

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Flandre_Scarlet

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lahkesis_(God_of_War)

Atropos (God of War)

Atropos is one of the Three Sisters of Fate, alongside Lahkesis and Clotho, who control and decide the destinies of every living being, mortals and gods alike. She and her sisters are so powerful that Gods and Titans fear and respect their power. Even Cronos himself tried to bribe the Sisters by...

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[Planck69]

So uh, what do Reimilia and Flandre do? The Sisters of Fate use fate-hax (duh) which is 4-D in potency and can affect Type 4 Acausals and even Type 1 Abstracts of Type 1 concepts.

 

[BlastX]

Gotta wait to see if the Touhou supporters got something to say about it

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Congrats Scarlet Sisters you got upgraded to 2-C, now you have to face these two.

I don't know enough about 2hus to answer this though

 

[Planck69]

I assume they're baseline 2-C btw?

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

I assume they're baseline 2-C btw?

Nah, going off pages: Remilia scales to Mokou, whom scales to Kaguya, whom is far superior to Doremy, who has this according to a prior match. And Flandre upscales from Remilia.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

And what's the AP of the GoW sisters

 

[KLOL506]

And what's the AP of the GoW sisters

9 universes

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Flandre has passive power and dura neg tho. Can the sisters resist that?

 

[Planck69]

Flandre has passive power and dura neg tho. Can the sisters resist that?

Yes to the power null. What form does the dura neg take?

Edit: The Sisters of Fate also resist dura neg. But the above question is still important.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Yes to the power null. What form does the dura neg take?

Edit: The Sisters of Fate also resist dura neg. But the above question is still important.

The type that erases anything that is within her range including the conceptual danmaku.

 

[Planck69]

The type that erases anything that is within her range including the conceptual danmaku.

And it covers kilometers of range around her? If so then Idk what this fight even is.

Either she passively erases or the Morai just fate-hax her into jumping off the world edge. Seems like a mismatch.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

I mean is it a mismatch if they both have wincons? Seems more like an incon

 

[Planck69]

I mean is it a mismatch if they both have wincons? Seems more like an incon

No? An inconclusive match would be if they let off their win conditions at the same time or have similar enough capabilities that it's impossible to tell who would come out on top.

Here, either the Scarlet chick's EE covers 4 km range and she stomps. Or it doesn't and the Sisters stomp.

 

[BlastX]

From what I recall, doesn't Flandre have to do a hand movement to use her destruction power? IIRC correctly she does.

Also I keep forgetting, is the sisters Fate powers thought based?

 

[BlastX]

I checked the profiles, she needs to do a hand movement for it to work

 

[Planck69]

Tf is the passive part then?

Anyways, Sisters is also hand movement based IIRC so like, incon?

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

No? An inconclusive match would be if they let off their win conditions at the same time or have similar enough capabilities that it's impossible to tell who would come out on top.

Here, either the Scarlet chick's EE covers 4 km range and she stomps. Or it doesn't and the Sisters stomp.

, at least Hundreds of Kilometers with her ability to destroy (Using her ability, she destroyed a meteor in the atmosphere), possibly Universal (Stated that she would destroy all the water in the Saznu River, of which there is an infinite supply[64][65])
Yeah it goes way past 4 km

As for is it passive, I'm not knowledgeable enough on the verse, but I think she does require a hand movement. Not sure about the passives tho

BTW so if it's based on a hand movement now it's incon?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

, at least Hundreds of Kilometers with her ability to destroy (Using her ability, she destroyed a meteor in the atmosphere), possibly Universal (Stated that she would destroy all the water in the Saznu River, of which there is an infinite supply[64][65])
Yeah it goes way past 4 km

As for is it passive, I'm not knowledgeable enough on the verse, but I think she does require a hand movement. Not sure about the passives tho

BTW so if it's based on a hand movement now it's incon?

On the profile it says passive due to the magic circle.

 

[BlastX]

Yeah but it's different from her ability to destroy everything.

And from what I get the range she gets with her circle is far smaller than the range she has to use a hand movement for.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Incon fra

 

[Quibster]

9 universes

Flan and Remilia have an AP in the triple digits in terms of universes— no higher than in the triple digits range, and no less. This is accredited to Doremy being able to create and destroy her own overlaying 2-C dream structures, which are infinitely sized. Most powerhouses in the verse scale above or around this feat.

Flan’s trademark ability to destroy anything is indeed dura-negging, and could pose a problem. With it, she stated that she could destroy the all of the Sanzu River— of which is also infinitely sized.

Edit: The Scarlet sisters have two very profound and easily exploitable weaknesses: water and sunlight. Glancing at the hax salad the GoW sisters have, I’m not certain this’ll be in the Scarlet Sister’s favor.

 

[BlastX]

It's a good thing AP for the sisters don't matter in this fight

 

[Planck69]

So, the passive EE? That still a thing or what?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Okay so

The durability negation is a side effect of Flandre's magic circle, which is a small, few meter wide aura that shows up when she fights.

However, Flandre can also use this ability at a range of several hundred meters/universal actively by physically crushing the "eye" of something by squeezing her hand. So the passive dura neg is a lot more limited in scope, but also negates ranged attacks so it's actually still useful.

The scarlet sisters also AP stomp, to nobody's surprise, so they could probably win if they got in close. But looking at the sisters of fate's P&A, and assuming all of those abilities are 4D, that will literally never happen. Sure, Remilia could just drain their life force, or Flandre could detonate them into a red mist, but if the sisters just open with 4D fatehax, they could just... make it so those possibilities don't occur.

Also, Flandre's ability being EE isn't accepted, though there are some valid arguments for it. For now, just treat it as more conventional dura neg that works on ranged attacks as well.

why do yall keep doing GoW vs Touhou matches when they get more and more unfair every week

 

[Planck69]

As of a recent CRT, all magic in God of War and its variants as well as abilities are 4-D.

And like, there is no such thing as "durability negation" in a vacuum, so what does hers entail? Conceptual Manipulation? Death Manipulation?

And GoW will only get more broken from here.

 

[KLOL506]

As of a recent CRT, all magic in God of War and its variants as well as abilities are 4-D.

And like, there is no such thing as "durability negation" in a vacuum, so what does hers entail? Conceptual Manipulation? Death Manipulation?

And GoW will only get more broken from here.

Isn't Touhou supposed to get 2-B? Or did I miss something?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Isn't Touhou supposed to get 2-B? Or did I miss something?

2-C I believe I don’t remember 2-B

 

[BlastX]

There's supposed proof of 2-B (even more than 2-C apparently) but that's gonna take a while to happen

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

As of a recent CRT, all magic in God of War and its variants as well as abilities are 4-D.

And like, there is no such thing as "durability negation" in a vacuum, so what does hers entail? Conceptual Manipulation? Death Manipulation?

And GoW will only get more broken from here.

Well, here's the most explicit description of her power if it helps any. Basically takes a person/object's weakest point, moves it into her hand, and has her crush it, thereby destroying the entire target. This works on beings composed of souls/emotions like youkai, so it isn't a matter of physical strength despite what it sounds like.

"Her method of destroying things so effortlessly involves pouring her power into the "eyes" of any material where its tension is the highest. She can use her ability to cause these "eyes" to move into the palm of her hand. In other words, by crushing the "eye" held within her hand (*2), she causes things to break."

Isn't Touhou supposed to get 2-B? Or did I miss something?

Not yet. Not for a long time. Tiering stuff is the last of my concerns right now, especially when there are so many hilariously busted hax that need to be covered.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Soo is this an incon or not?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

What's the GoW guys do? Flandre's power is capable of destroying meteors and destroyed Toutetsu Yuuma to the point she need to regenerate to fight her again. What does this fall into? From my perspective, it's a combo of deconstruction, soul manipulation, with regen negging power.

But, it will be useless if the GoW guys has 4D resistances and hax. And considering the Castlevania vs GoW threads, I think it is the case.

 

[Planck69]

What's the GoW guys do? Flandre's power is capable of destroying meteors and destroyed Toutetsu Yuuma to the point she need to regenerate to fight her again. What does this fall into? From my perspective, it's a combo of deconstruction, soul manipulation, with regen negging power.

But, it will be useless if the GoW guys has 4D resistances and hax. And considering the Castlevania vs GoW threads, I think it is the case.

Fate-hax. They have 4-D fate-hax.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

What's the GoW guys do? Flandre's power is capable of destroying meteors and destroyed Toutetsu Yuuma to the point she need to regenerate to fight her again. What does this fall into? From my perspective, it's a combo of deconstruction, soul manipulation, with regen negging power.

But, it will be useless if the GoW guys has 4D resistances and hax. And considering the Castlevania vs GoW threads, I think it is the case.

Considering Castlevania stomped the **** out of Remilia...

 

[Quibster]

It’s a Stomp

 

[BlastX]

Huh, just as question, what's Remilia and Flandre Infinite speed scaling? Cause fates are baseline

 

[Planck69]

Huh, just as question, what's Remilia and Flandre Infinite speed scaling? Cause fates are baseline

Wait, speed scaling as in being superior to others within Infinite or better feats?

 

[BlastX]

Wait, speed scaling as in being superior to others within Infinite or better feats?

The former

 

[Planck69]

The former

Ooooh.

Then, it's;

Primordials < Titans i.e. Helios < Olympians like Ares, to whom the Sisters of Fate are relative.

Simplified but it gets the point across.

 

[Deidalius]

I'll spectate for now.