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honestly,I feel like this is a mismatch,but if no one have problem with this then I guess incon should work though :v
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Dataphyte vs dovahkiin
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It’s not really a mismatch if neither side can defeat the other, no one’s stomping
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I don't think so, Type 8 can't do anything against immo but since he has CM and Dataphyte doesn't have HGR, Dataphyte can't return to the battlefield after a conceptual erasured. Type 8 immo is ineffective here.
Dovahkiin stomps.
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This is tier 0 AE aka above baseline tier 0
you can’t affect someone with conceptual type 1 if they’re AE is on a higher layer/dimension than you
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As @Gasper said
“Low Umbra is baseline 0. Middle Umbra is vaguely above that and High Umbra is either infinite layers into tier 0 or 1 inaccessible.”
Dataphytes have high Umbra AE
which means you need infinite layers into tier 0/1 Inaccessible of CM to affect their AE.
Good luck having dovahkiin do that.
“Low Umbra is baseline 0. Middle Umbra is vaguely above that and High Umbra is either infinite layers into tier 0 or 1 inaccessible.”
Dataphytes have high Umbra AE
which means you need infinite layers into tier 0/1 Inaccessible of CM to affect their AE.
Good luck having dovahkiin do that.
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yeah I mean dovahkiin doesn't have any feat to interact with the AE dataphyte have,it is NLF if he can do though
Georredannea15
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Even if it's has a higher layer AE, you can affect it with CM. But if it a higher-dimensional AE, yes, you cannot. The deepest abstraction an AE can have would be a "conceptual" abstraction. Because the concept is a deeper abstraction that is the basis of all abstract structures.
But if it's a higher dimensional AE like you said, then a 4-D CM or any hax working on 4-D can't interact with it and that makes it a smurf.
I don't think there will be a layer in AE because what we call "concept" is the deepest abstraction an entity can achieve without having "non-existent. Abstractions deeper than this fall into an absence. Of course this is my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yeah it’s higher dimensional layerEven if it has a higher layer, you can affect it, but if it's higher-dimensional, yes, you cannot. The deepest abstraction an AE can have would be a "conceptual" abstraction. Because the concept is a deeper abstraction that is the basis of all abstract structures.
But if it's a higher dimensional AE like you said, then a 4-D CM or any hax working on 4-D can't interact with it and that makes it a smurf.
gasper said
“High Umbra level which is pure abstract realm of information, all thoughts and platonic forms.”
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No he dosen't. Dataphyte ain't getting erased.
Nobody's argued about immo type 8 so idk what the hell are you talking about.
Saying Dovahkiin has inaccessible into tier 0 conceptual erasure is comicvine level wank.
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Umbra is already undimensoned realm, i don't see your point.Even if it's has a higher layer AE, you can affect it with CM. But if it a higher-dimensional AE, yes, you cannot. The deepest abstraction an AE can have would be a "conceptual" abstraction. Because the concept is a deeper abstraction that is the basis of all abstract structures.
But if it's a higher dimensional AE like you said, then a 4-D CM or any hax working on 4-D can't interact with it and that makes it a smurf.
Also, layer or higher dimension is treated as the same thing on the wiki.
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"I don't think there will be a layer in AE because what we call "concept" is the deepest abstraction an entity can achieve without having "non-existent". Abstractions deeper than this fall into an absence. Of course this is my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong."
No. You can have a higher layer within the same dimensionality.
Anyway, if that's the case, it's a incon.
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Ever heard of platonic forms? Ya know, the things literally beyond all concepts in real Platonism?
Dimensions need context first. You can't just say higher spatial dimension is superior to the lower spatial dimensions, if you have that then one spatial dimension can have infinite layers inside of it yes.
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Ya, higher level of concepts.
For example, in WOD there is an infinite hierarchy of platonic concepts, the higher one seeing the lower one as fiction.
You can't tell me that isn't more impressive than having just one or multiple amounts of them.
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Yes, I already said that if that's the case, they can't interact. You need just say that.
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You voting for incon too then?
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Grace
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That’s two down.
Now I need to find another unmatchable character to be used against Dataphyte
Not getting free incons with Dataphyte and unmatchable characters is a lot of wasted opportunity
Now I need to find another unmatchable character to be used against Dataphyte
Not getting free incons with Dataphyte and unmatchable characters is a lot of wasted opportunity
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It's not so much tier 0, just really really good.
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@Georredannea15
This is a list of unmatchable characters
it got me thinking If Dataphyte can resist all their hax and they can’t do a thing to it either.
this means we can get a shit ton of free incons, which is highly profitable (I know free and profit do not go together but still) not making them is missing a lot of opportunity.
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@Udlmaster
I’m going to keep on making Dataphyte matches because WOD needs more love and because they’re pretty much empty regarding added matches.
I’m also hoping that by making these matches it will encourage other people to make their own Dataphyte matches and then WOD will become essentially a household name on here if you want to get a shit ton of free/easy to get added matches by using WOD characters like dataphyte.
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After all UDL it’s free real estate that you don’t want to miss out on
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My next match should be Dataphyte vs A character from SMT
smt hax is useless including time travel so yeah It should work
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Is this debate notable enough guys?
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Incon fra
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After reading your link it says they might be if it takes a while and not immediate
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Wait nah its not enough. The whole discussion is "Dataphyte is abstract boundless infinite layers or whatever so incon" and thats it.
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What about 682
ShionAH
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What about him?
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ShionAH
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I think you are breaking the rules by purposely making stalemate matches, basically farming it. Idk tho
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After warning me shion, I just stopped. thanks for showing me the rule
the lord english one was the 3rd one.
the 682 was the first one and I was unaware of what Dataphyte was capable of.
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Yeah maybe its not actually rule breaking but just kinda…lame? Anyways cool the 682 match seems fine though
