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For the heck of it. Both at 2-C, with speed equalized.
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Darkrai vs Super Sonic
- Thread starter The_real_cal_howard
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Sigh... :/
I actually like the idea of this match and wanted to do it down the line (not like this tho, with the Pokémon Vs Sonic spam but it can't be helped now), so I'm assuming it's hax Vs AP correct?.
Then does Sonic have an answer to sleep/dream manipulation as well as precog?, if not he's in for a nightmare.
I actually like the idea of this match and wanted to do it down the line (not like this tho, with the Pokémon Vs Sonic spam but it can't be helped now), so I'm assuming it's hax Vs AP correct?.
Then does Sonic have an answer to sleep/dream manipulation as well as precog?, if not he's in for a nightmare.
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If I remember well also, in PMD, Darkrai put the protagonists to sleep only thinking as initial movement (I think)
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Darkrai uses sleeps GG
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Darkrai roofies
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Sweet Dreams Sonic
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ƒà▒´©Åonic has a nightmare about ƒà▒´©Åmy ƒà▒´©Åose
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Maverick Zero X said:
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Darkrai shows Sonic a nightmare about his live-action self in that new sonic movie.
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Isn't Darkrai's sleep manipulation dodgeble?
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Thats only from Dark Void. Darkrai can put others to sleep without it being in a tangible attack form as he did against Palkia.
As well as passively iirc.
As well as passively iirc.
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If it's passive isn't this a stomp?
Although if Sonic has is optional equipment he is immune to status effects including sleep
Although if Sonic has is optional equipment he is immune to status effects including sleep
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How good is the immunity?
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Yes, that's what I was wondering, since Darkrai can affect 4-D beings with it's hax sleepProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Well, it makes him immune to all status effects
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And again, how good is the "immunity"?Theuser789 said:
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Any status effect on the game doesn't work, including sleep
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Does it stop 4-D level sleep hax? Because if it doesnt, then its completely useless against Darkrais.
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If the potency is not specified, we assume its just basic status effect resistance
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Here's the description:https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Immunity_Idol
No sleep hax of the game works, it's not resistance but immunity to all status effects
But if Darkrai's somehow works and it's passive then it's a stomp
No sleep hax of the game works, it's not resistance but immunity to all status effects
But if Darkrai's somehow works and it's passive then it's a stomp
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>It's not resistance but immunity to all status effects.
Immunity is treated as a No Limits Fallacy here, so no, it's a resistance.
We only give Immunites out to characters who lack whats to be manipulated. Like being immune to soul manipulation for not having one to be manipulated. Besides that, resistance is what is given to characters.
So again, if Sonics optional equipment doesnt resist 4-D level sleep hax then its completely useless against Darkrais.
Immunity is treated as a No Limits Fallacy here, so no, it's a resistance.
We only give Immunites out to characters who lack whats to be manipulated. Like being immune to soul manipulation for not having one to be manipulated. Besides that, resistance is what is given to characters.
So again, if Sonics optional equipment doesnt resist 4-D level sleep hax then its completely useless against Darkrais.
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It's not passive.
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Correct me if im wrong, but in that episode in the anime when Darkrai and Cresselia showed up, didnt it put an entire islands worth of people asleep and give them nightmares just by being there?The real cal howard said:
If im correct, that would be passive.
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I used immunity because that's what used in the game itself and it's description, and the fact that no status effects on it works, but it's true that there is no 4D hax in it so Darkrai's will probaly work
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That doesnt mean you can call it immunity as if it actually is one. Even if its called that in-verse, we just call it resistance in terms of vs matches to not mix the 2 together.
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Immunity vs resistance aside although I will still call it immunity if Sonic doesn't resist Darkrai's supposedely 4D hax and it's passive isn't this a stomp? Cal, it's passive or not?
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I asked Cal to reiterate but even if its not passive, Sonic still wouldnt be able to get passed it.
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Why not? If he doesn't imediately use it Sonic will just one-shoot him
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Except...he would. Thats why people voted Darkrai to begin with.
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How fast is it?
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In the form of Dark Void? As fast as Darkrai himself is. Infinite in normal circumstances.
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Didn't you say that was dodgeble though? Sonic could dodge it, especialy since speed is equal, and then one-shoot him, or beat him before he puts him to sleep.
Would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
Would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
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It being dodgeable is only when Darkrai uses his sleep hax in the form of Dark Void, which is a projectile. It becomes a different story when Darkrai uses it thought-based.
And even then, Darkrai can fire dozens of Dark Void projectiles them at once, making them very difficult to dodge.
And even then, Darkrai can fire dozens of Dark Void projectiles them at once, making them very difficult to dodge.
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Sonic can deflect projectiles to the user using Deflect also teleportation as well.
Would Darkrai's use projectiles or thought based first? And would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
Also in other threads it was agreed that Darkrai's sleep manipulation comes from projectiles, not thought based, so Deflect plus teleportation can deal with it and then Sonic one-shoots
Would Darkrai's use projectiles or thought based first? And would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
Also in other threads it was agreed that Darkrai's sleep manipulation comes from projectiles, not thought based, so Deflect plus teleportation can deal with it and then Sonic one-shoots
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>Also in other threads it was agreed that Darkrai's sleep manipulation comes from projectiles, not thought based, so Deflect plus teleportation can deal with it and then Sonic one-shoots
Only one of them "agreed" and its wrong. Darkrai has put opponents to sleep before without using projectile-based moves Dark Void such as Palkia.
>Sonic can deflect projectiles to the user using Deflect also teleportation as well.
How many can it deflect? Because again, even with projectiles, Darkrai sends out much over dozens of them at once not just a single one.
>Would Darkrai's use projectiles or thought based first? And would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
Its either or. And stamina has nothing to do with being forcefully put to sleep, it just means they cant tire out over extended periods because its limitless. Adding to this, Two Beings with limitless stamina each needed to use forcefields into order to stop Dark Void from coming in contact with them. So Sonic having limitless stamina or otherwise is not going to help him here.
Only one of them "agreed" and its wrong. Darkrai has put opponents to sleep before without using projectile-based moves Dark Void such as Palkia.
>Sonic can deflect projectiles to the user using Deflect also teleportation as well.
How many can it deflect? Because again, even with projectiles, Darkrai sends out much over dozens of them at once not just a single one.
>Would Darkrai's use projectiles or thought based first? And would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?
Its either or. And stamina has nothing to do with being forcefully put to sleep, it just means they cant tire out over extended periods because its limitless. Adding to this, Two Beings with limitless stamina each needed to use forcefields into order to stop Dark Void from coming in contact with them. So Sonic having limitless stamina or otherwise is not going to help him here.
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Egg Wizard's fight isn't danmaku at all
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It's still projectiles, and Darkrai's dammaku isn't that good, there's also teleportation or Sonic's wisps, invulnerability via invisibility monitor, etc.
Also does he have thought based sleep hax or via projectiles Cal, because one contradicts the other, he would never use projectiles if he could do the same via thought
Also does he have thought based sleep hax or via projectiles Cal, because one contradicts the other, he would never use projectiles if he could do the same via thought
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Your acting as if a character cannot use the same ability in different ways.
Also, looking at that video, not only does Egg Wizard not send out attacks anywhere near as much as Darkrai's in number, but what Sonic is deflecting are just pure energy blasts. Dark Void is a step above that as it is hax. So the moment Sonic makes contact, he would get Dark Voided.
Also, looking at that video, not only does Egg Wizard not send out attacks anywhere near as much as Darkrai's in number, but what Sonic is deflecting are just pure energy blasts. Dark Void is a step above that as it is hax. So the moment Sonic makes contact, he would get Dark Voided.
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