Darkrai vs Super Sonic

[Theuser789]

Post a scan then, it is a contradiction since only you brought it with no proof and it doesn't make sense for him to use the same power but with a way more ineficient way.

Sonic doesn't hit the projectiles physicaly, but with a shield that he puts up, that it's what makes contact, being hax only means that Sonic thouching it will put him to sleep, that's the only diference, so Sonic's shield via deflect would still reflect it. The move hitting the shield would prevent from Sonic falling asleep

And correct me if I am wrong but does Darkrai resists his sleep hax? If not he gets put to sleep the moment Sonic reflects one

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, Darkrai doesn't resist his own sleep. He was defeated that way in one timeline, and thats how Kratos beat him here.

That said Sonic only reflects like that in Rush. In Unleashed he kicks the projectile, which...isn't smart to do here. Many other times he just rushes through it, which also isn't smart.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Darkrai puts Palkia to sleep, instantly. Without even being in the same area as it. No projectile. And no, this isnt a contradiction. It's using a hax in another versatile way. Characters do this all the time and Darkrai's no different.

>Sonic doesn't hit the projectiles physicaly, but with a shield that he puts up, that it's what makes contact, being hax only means that Sonic thouching it will put him to sleep, that's the only diference, so Sonic's shield via deflect would still reflect it.

No. Even with just Dark Void (which he doesnt need as ive proven), Sonic's shield is only shown to be able to deflect regular energy-blasts. Thats it. Dark Void is again, a step beyond that, as it is hax. Sonic's shield has no feats of deflecting hax, so its not going to be deflecting a Dark Void.

Plus what Cal said.

>And correct me if I am wrong but does Darkrai resists his sleep hax? If not he gets put to sleep the moment Sonic reflects one.

No as Cal already answered. But he can dodge it, or just teleport out of the way. Your acting as if Darkrai will sit and do nothing when his move is deflected (if it even can in the first place).

 

[GyroNutz]

And would Sonic litmeless stamina prevent him from falling asleep?

This actually works on some types of sleep manipulation, but Darkrai's is both 4-D and it works on Palkia who also has limitless stamina.

 

[Theuser789]

Is there any other time he did that though? And does anything sugests he would do that move that exact way here? And the move only afected Palkia though, he probaly used that way because he knows that Palkia is a dangerous foe, unlike here, and since you only use that example seems like that's the only time he did that, which makes him unlikely to do here right at the start

There's no diference between a energy projectile and a energy one, the main diference is that one puts you to sleep when thouching it, but it's Sonic's shield that does so, Sonic doesn't get afected by the energy projectiles that he reflects with he shields, so Dark Void would be reflected not afecting, being hax means that instead of damaging him it puts him to sleep, since the energy projectiles don't damage Sonic when hit, so Darkrai's wouldn't work, their only diference it's what they do when they hit, being hax doesn't make it indeflectable. Also Sonic isn't afcted by the projectiles that he reflects even without the shield, so Dark Void will still be reflected.

If Darkrai can easily dodge his own attack here then so can Sonic, it's not only one projectile that Will be reflected and even if he dodges Sonic can just one-shoot him after that, Darkrai's only win-con is putting Sonic to sleep here, Sonic only needs to dodge Dark Void

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No. Even with just Dark Void (which he doesnt need as ive proven), Sonic's shield is only shown to be able to deflect regular energy-blasts. Thats it. Dark Void is again, a step beyond that, as it is hax. Sonic's shield has no feats of deflecting hax, so its not going to be deflecting a Dark Void.

Dark Void being "hax" doesn't change the fact that it's still just a projectile. It has to actually hit Sonic to have an effect on him, otherwise with the shield he would be able to deflect it like it's any other energy blast.

The thought based sleep hax would be more effective, but that only brings into question how in-character it is for him to use it considering he clearly doesn't start with it all the time if he decides to use projectiles.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

>Is there any other time he did that though? And does anything sugests he would do that move that exact way here? And the move only afected Palkia though, he probaly used that way because he knows that Palkia is a dangerous foe, unlike here, and since you only use that example seems like that's the only time he did that, which makes him unlikely to do here right at the start

No offense, but this is sounding like a bunch of nitpicking. For one, Darkrai's arsenal of sleep hax in general isnt purely projectile based as you forget Hypnosis is also a thing (which also isnt a projectile) as well as what he did against Palkia. Two, so what if it only affected Palkia? It's still 4-D and vastly beyond anything Sonic could counter, optional equipment or otherwise. I'll address the deflecting argument later below. As for Palkia being "a dangerous foe", no, Darkrai has used projectile sleep hax against Palkia before (it was blocked though) so it has nothing to do with Palkia being x or y. Darkrai did it because he chose to do it. Simple as that.

Also, dont put words in my mouth. I never said anything about Darkrai starting out with it as the first move under these circumstances. He'd most likely lead with Dark Void first, but if he should see anything happen to the dark voids failing, he'd most definitely go right for a sleep hax that isnt projectile based.

>There's no diference between a energy projectile and a energy one, the main diference is that one puts you to sleep when thouching it, but it's Sonic's shield that does so, Sonic doesn't get afected by the energy projectiles that he reflects with he shields, so Dark Void would be reflected not afecting

Im almost 100% sure thats not how this works. The shield in itself needs the specific feats of stopping attacks that aren't purely energy projectile based (added with that, Dark Void counts as BFR iirc). If Sonics doesnt have it, you cant assume it will deflect it.

>Also Sonic isn't afcted by the projectiles that he reflects even without the shield, so Dark Void will still be reflected.

Evidence of him reflecting a 4-D hax without a shield and being fine then? If not, he will be effected.

>If Darkrai can easily dodge his own attack here then so can Sonic, it's not only one projectile that Will be reflected

Actually based on the video you linked me, Sonic's deflecting hax only seems to work by deflecting one projectile attack at a time, not all at once. Dark Void sends dozens of projectiles out at the same time.

Also, using the "so can sonic" argument will not help you here as it will only lead to a incon of dodging. Which will be pointless since Darkrai will clearly not spam Dark Void if its getting blocked or reflected. A simple teleport to dodge the "reflected dark voids" and using a thought-based sleep hax right after will seal him the win.

>and even if he dodges Sonic can just one-shoot him after that

Not if Darkrai teleports. Or simply stays away from Sonic. Again, your assuming Darkrai will momentarily stand still if his dark void projectiles are to be stopped when he will not.

 

[Theuser789]

It's not nitpicking, since he only used it one time it's fair to assume that he won't use it imediately, that's how in character works.

Yes that is how it works, being hax or energy means nothing in terms of reflection, only what they do.

Potency also doesn't matter, Sonic isn't afected by the projectiles effects when reflecting, potency only matters when a move gets hit, which doesn't happen when Sonic is reflecting it, otherwise Sonic would be stun by them, which doesn't happen.

It's not really one at time, and based on Darkrai's dammaku clips in other threads, if Sonic remains still his he can reflect each projectile that comes after him, it's one at a time in gameplay because anything that thouches Sonic's shield gets deflected, which in the fight Eggman doesn't fire two projectiles at the same time, but later in the fight Sonic can deflect projectiles that come one after another, Sonic's deflect depends on timing.

He will stand still when using the Dammaku, any of Sonic's moves can beat him, Sonic can also teleport as well

Also Violet Void and Indigo Asteroid should just absorve Dark Void's projectiles, making Sonic grow larger and one-shooting Darkrai

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

>Is there any other time he did that though? And does anything sugests he would do that move that exact way here? And the move only afected Palkia though, he probaly used that way because he knows that Palkia is a dangerous foe, unlike here, and since you only use that example seems like that's the only time he did that, which makes him unlikely to do here right at the start
No offense, but this is sounding like a bunch of nitpicking. For one, Darkrai's arsenal of sleep hax in general isnt purely projectile based as you forget Hypnosis is also a thing (which also isnt a projectile) as well as what he did against Palkia. Two, so what if it only affected Palkia? It's still 4-D and vastly beyond anything Sonic could counter, optional equipment or otherwise. I'll address the deflecting argument later below. As for Palkia being "a dangerous foe", no, Darkrai has used projectile sleep hax against Palkia before (it was blocked though) so it has nothing to do with Palkia being x or y. Darkrai did it because he chose to do it. Simple as that.

Also, dont put words in my mouth. I never said anything about Darkrai starting out with it as the first move under these circumstances. He'd most likely lead with Dark Void first, but if he should see anything happen to the dark voids failing, he'd most definitely go right for a sleep hax that isnt projectile based.

>There's no diference between a energy projectile and a energy one, the main diference is that one puts you to sleep when thouching it, but it's Sonic's shield that does so, Sonic doesn't get afected by the energy projectiles that he reflects with he shields, so Dark Void would be reflected not afecting

Im almost 100% sure thats not how this works. The shield in itself needs the specific feats of stopping attacks that aren't purely energy projectile based (added with that, Dark Void counts as BFR iirc). If Sonics doesnt have it, you cant assume it will deflect it.

>Also Sonic isn't afcted by the projectiles that he reflects even without the shield, so Dark Void will still be reflected.

Evidence of him reflecting a 4-D hax without a shield and being fine then? If not, he will be effected.

>If Darkrai can easily dodge his own attack here then so can Sonic, it's not only one projectile that Will be reflected

Actually based on the video you linked me, Sonic's deflecting hax only seems to work by deflecting one projectile attack at a time, not all at once. Dark Void sends dozens of projectiles out at the same time.

Also, using the "so can sonic" argument will not help you here as it will only lead to a incon of dodging. Which will be pointless since Darkrai will clearly not spam Dark Void if its getting blocked or reflected. A simple teleport to dodge the "reflected dark voids" and using a thought-based sleep hax right after will seal him the win.

>and even if he dodges Sonic can just one-shoot him after that

Not if Darkrai teleports. Or simply stays away from Sonic. Again, your assuming Darkrai will momentarily stand still if his dark void projectiles are to be stopped when he will not.

Leaning towards Darkrai for these reasons

 

[TriforcePower1]

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