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Dante's Immeasurable justifications

LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Mundus' feat isn't immeasurable speed. It's infinite based on the fact he's omnipresent throughout an infinite void, yet Dante was able to dodge him anyways.
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I'll add, I am skeptical of that reasoning. Absent more specific information, I wouldn't assume the attacks are anything more than physical manifestations within the realm that are being dodged, rather than some bizarre "dodging" of the realm itself. However, that can be hashed out in a separate thread.
 
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
Well, the scan that OP showed us explains the game mechanic. The videogames can't implement the immesurable speed if we use common sense. Teleportation is a bare minimum way of describing it.
They call it differently. To simplify it, the game mechanic says teleportation. The lore says instantaneous movements that transcends time and distance.
 
You heard him boys, let's go upgrade every japanese media with teleportation to immeasurable,. Quite funky, innit.

Anyway, I dunno what you're yapping about. The word actually exists (like what???), and there are plenty of sources that say so; you saying it doesn’t is irrelevant. Also, your Goku example is as dumb as the rest of your post. Goku’s technique is called Instant Transmission because of localization shenanigans, it actually means teleportation as well since it uses the same kanji, lmfao.
 
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marosuke said:
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
Well, the scan that OP showed us explains the game mechanic. The videogames can't implement the immesurable speed if we use common sense. Teleportation is a bare minimum way of describing it.
They call it differently. To simplify it, the game mechanic says teleportation. The lore says instantaneous movements that transcends time and distance.
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What?
Instant Transmission is literally teleportation, what are you on? Saying Japan does not have the concept of movement that skips from point A to point B without going through said distance is beyond absurd. No if they wanted to say their movement transcended time and space they'd say that, it's called TP because it is
 
marosuke said:
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
Well, the scan that OP showed us explains the game mechanic. The videogames can't implement the immesurable speed if we use common sense. Teleportation is a bare minimum way of describing it.
They call it differently. To simplify it, the game mechanic says teleportation. The lore says instantaneous movements that transcends time and distance.
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There is another scan about Argosax which literally spells out "teleport" phonetically with katakana.
 
marosuke said:
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
Well, the scan that OP showed us explains the game mechanic. The videogames can't implement the immesurable speed if we use common sense. Teleportation is a bare minimum way of describing it.
They call it differently. To simplify it, the game mechanic says teleportation. The lore says instantaneous movements that transcends time and distance.
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So are you claiming Goku has Immeasurable speed?
 
marosuke said:
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
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marosuke said:
This isn't a wordsalad. Japanese language doesn't have the concept of teleportation. Cuz that is English. We call it instantaneous movement(s). Toriyama's goku is a good example. Goku is teleporting but the ability is named instantaneous movement, as I explained.
Well, the scan that OP showed us explains the game mechanic. The videogames can't implement the immesurable speed if we use common sense. Teleportation is a bare minimum way of describing it.
They call it differently. To simplify it, the game mechanic says teleportation. The lore says instantaneous movements that transcends time and distance.
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And... you tell me how Goku's "instantaneous movement" technique works exactly. The fact that his technique is literally teleportation yet called "instantaneous moment" pretty much proved the opposite you're trying to claim.
 
Deagonx said:
There is another scan about Argosax which literally spells out "teleport" phonetically with katakana.
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So you acknowledge that they use these words differently. One is teleportation. And the other is instantaneous movement. They created some rooms for interpretations either way. I intepret it he has teleportation ability and immesurable speed. But you guys are trying to make all his movements as teleportation.
GarrixianXD said:
And... you tell me how Goku's "instantaneous movement" technique works exactly. The fact that his technique is literally teleportation yet called "instantaneous moment" pretty much proved the opposite you're trying to claim.
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Goku's instantaneous movement is a kind of teleportation of course. It depends on the context. DMC is a different case. Instantaneous movement that trancends time and distance, would be immeasurable. Instantaneous movement, swift movement or teleportation, name aside why wouldn't be? Given the meaning of kanji, instantaneous movement sounds right to me honestly. Its a combination of 瞬間/instantaneous and 移動/movement.
HammerStrikes219 said:

Also backed up by a wiki article on the matter.

瞬間移動 - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.m.wiktionary.org en.m.wiktionary.org
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Thanks.

Etymology​

From 瞬間 (shunkan, “instant”) +‎ 移動 (idō, “moving”).
 
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marosuke said:
So you acknowledge that they use these words differently. One is teleport. And the other is instantaneous movement. They created some rooms for interpretations either way. I intepret it he has teleportation ability and immesurable speed. But you guys are trying to make all his movements as teleportation.

Goku's instantaneous movement is a kind of teleportation of course. It depends on the context. DMC is a different case. Instantaneous movement that trancends time and distance, would be immesuable. Instantaneous movement, swift movement or teleportation, name aside why wouldn't be? Given the meaning of kanji, instantaneous movement sounds right to me honestly. Its a combination of 瞬間/instantaneous and 移動/movement.

Thanks.

Etymology​

From 瞬間 (shunkan, “instant”) +‎ 移動 (idō, “moving”).
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Put together it's teleportation as you can see.
 
marosuke said:
So you acknowledge that they use these words differently. One is teleport. And the other is instantaneous movement. They created some rooms for interpretations either way. I intepret it he has teleportation ability and immesurable speed. But you guys are trying to make all his movements as teleportation.
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this is silly.
Deagon did not "acknowledge" that they used the words differently, the fact that they use both referring to seemingly the same thing would imply that 瞬間移動 and テレポート are interchangeable... which they are because they mean the same thing.
marosuke said:
Goku's instantaneous movement is a kind of teleportation of course. It depends on the context. DMC is a different case. Instantaneous movement that trancends time and distance, would be immeasurable. Instantaneous movement, swift movement or teleportation, name aside why wouldn't be? Given the meaning of kanji, instantaneous movement sounds right to me honestly. Its a combination of 瞬間/instantaneous and 移動/movement.
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it's a yojijukugo. 4 characters that form one word. the word means teleportation.
breaking it down into two separate words purely to get your own interpretation does not make sense, because it is not two separate words.
it's one, made of 4 characters. it means teleportation.
DMC is not a different case, it's the SAME kanji and the word teleport (in katakana) is used elsewhere to refer to seemingly the same thing.
marosuke said:
Thanks.

Etymology​

From 瞬間 (shunkan, “instant”) +‎ 移動 (idō, “moving”).
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it's as if........ words can have different meanings............ than their constituent parts.................. absolutely bonkers concept....................................................
 
marosuke said:
So you acknowledge that they use these words differently. One is teleportation. And the other is instantaneous movement. They created some rooms for interpretations either way. I intepret it he has teleportation ability and immesurable speed. But you guys are trying to make all his movements as teleportation.
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So your theory is that Argosax can teleport and has immeasurable speed? Not that the "instant movement" ability refers to teleportation, which we can confirm with the other scan that phonetically calls it "teleporting?"

Frankly I think this is an incredibly strained argument and I don't take it very seriously. I completely disagree.
 
Hi! Translation Helper for the Japanese language here.

That word means "teleportation", not "instantaneous movement". The etymology of a word is different from the meaning of a word; the etymology explains the link between a word and other pre-existing words, but does not accurately describe what it means nowadays.
 
Agnaa said:
Hi! Translation Helper for the Japanese language here.

That word means "teleportation", not "instantaneous movement". The etymology of a word is different from the meaning of a word; the etymology explains the link between a word and other pre-existing words, but does not accurately describe what it means nowadays.
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^ The change of a single character can heavily change a meaning of a word. You can’t link the etymology of a word the same way like you can in English.
 
GarrixianXD said:
And... you tell me how Goku's "instantaneous movement" technique works exactly. The fact that his technique is literally teleportation yet called "instantaneous moment" pretty much proved the opposite you're trying to claim.
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Tbf, the dbs manga has shown it is possible to outspeed it, so it may very well be some form of extremely fast movement.

Is there any additional context suggesting it is in fact movement,though? The fact that teleport is spelled out in Katakana makes this argument weak, imo
 
There’s nothing more to it, but even then, it’s all pointless to argue here cuz it seems the original thread about immeasurable speed wasn’t actually accepted and it just got snuck in.
 
Ningenron said:
There’s nothing more to it, but even then, it’s all pointless to argue here cuz it seems the original thread about immeasurable speed wasn’t actually accepted and it just got snuck in.
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In that case, is a CRT really needed then? If it’s an unauthorized change, it’s essentially vandalism and should be reverted
 
Robo432343 said:
"Reacts to Fury, who evolved to move so fast that they jump through space and time by using Demonic energy to amp their speed"

Fury's in-game description and how he moves.

this is immeasurable
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No it's reacting to teleportation. The in-game description literally says "uses raw demonic power to do little space-time jumps. It'll warp right next to you". And just, like, look at the cutscene you linked.

That's teleportation!
 
Agnaa said:
No it's reacting to teleportation. The in-game description literally says "uses raw demonic power to do little space-time jumps. It'll warp right next to you". And just, like, look at the cutscene you linked.

That's teleportation!
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dude i never said its immeasurable
 
Robo432343 said:
"It wants to go faster. Wants to kill faster. All it can think of it speed"

that is not teleportation it was through speed
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If you want to win a race, teleporting to just before the finishing line is a pretty good strategy.
 
Robo432343 said:
"you get a freak so fast it ain't even moving under its own power no more"

brother...
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Fiction calling a character who can teleport "fast" doesn't mean that they're actually physically moving that distance.

It is actually reasonable when you're speaking colloquially to call something like that fast.

If someone gets teleported somewhere they can say "woah that was fast" instead of some nerdspeak like "woah, you transported me here by teleporting me through space in a short amount of time".

"little space-time jumps" and "warps right next to you" are clearly more important indications of what the ability is.
 
So, what do we change the speed to, if this teleportation ability doesn't cut it?
 
Deagonx said:
So, what do we change the speed to, if this teleportation ability doesn't cut it?
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Earlier this was pointed out, I think it's the best straight up feat
Hellformer said:
I had pointed this out prior to this thread but someone replied with "this is textbook Immeasurable speed" however I still hold the same opinion as long as there isn't any other good arguments from the supporters. I agree with the thread and here's a replacement to the speed rating:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dante and Mundus Flying (Plan B)

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