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Danny Phantom Discussion Thread: I'm Going Ghost!


Just like before, I'm pre-ordering this one. LET'S Go!!!!

now we get 1-A Danny phantom >: )
I just got done with the Low 1-C/1-C thread. I can't handle 1-A Danny Phantom lol. Looking at the cover, this one will likely be more grounded, thank goodness. Although given Wulf can cut holes into different dimensions, we might see the Ghost Zone more.

I wonder if Dani will make an appearance. She was a no show in A Glitch in Time.
 
Wulf being on the cover reminded me that he has one of the most busted enhanced smelling I've ever seen. He got Danny's sent from a picture Walker took of him back in a previous episode when Danny was imprisoned. Wulf sniffs the picture, cuts a hole into the human world right in Danny's school, poked his head in and then pointed at Walker telling him Danny was on the other side.

Brother can track people's scent from different dimensions and got it from something that doesn't have a scent. Imagine you took a picture of someone on your phone and then days later, someone looks at the photo, sniffs it and then tracks that person down. Like wtf!?
 
 
Just a heads up, after I apply the low end scaling update, I'll not be making any new revisions for the verse until fair game comes out. Some revisions got forgotten and I've got other things I need to do, plus Gabriela seems to have free reign to add what she wants to the series going off the interview I'm currently watching and given what A Glitch in Time gave us, I'd rather wait and see what Fair Game adds before do anything else.
 
AbramsBooks (Publishers of the first graphic novel) have the summery of Fair Game. I'll post it below in bold.

"Spinning right out of the events of Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time, New York Times bestselling author-illustrator Gabriela Epstein returns with another original action-packed graphic novel based on the hit Nickelodeon animated series, where Danny will have to reckon with past ghosts and past grudges

After the events of Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time, Danny Phantom is public enemy number one, and Casper High School has revamped its curriculum as they believe that ghosts are once again a danger to the town. While Danny struggles to find a way to implement his new knowledge of what ghosts are to help them, Valerie Gray is thriving as the best ghost hunter at school. But when Wulf, Danny’s old ghost friend, arrives looking for another ghost wolf cub, Danny and the gang must help track down this cub before their ghost hunting classmates get to it first. Can Danny help protect these ghosts before they get caught, or will his past grudge with Valerie result in his end?

This all-new original graphic novel from New York Times bestselling illustrator Gabriela Epstein continues the Danny Phantom story with this canon story that will satisfy both new and old fans of the Nickelodeon franchise."


I'm glad them mention is canon because people thought A Glitch in Time wasn't canon despite the evidence. Other than that it seems the students are outright gonna be hunting ghosts now, and I guess Danny and crew will be trying to help Wulf find a wolf cub ghost before they do.

Now, I don't really like the new narrative focus that because ghosts are now fully established as emotions Danny is now thinking they should help/protect them despite most of his rouges gallery are evil. They literally thrive of causing problems and the humans are just defending themselves. We've already got good ghosts and they've worked together with humans and not immediately attacked each other. But human believing ghosts are a danger to the town is 100% justifiable and true, I really hope they don't try and spin some nonsense that ghosts are just misunderstood because that's gonna be without a doubt a terrible idea. Implementing a story where a bunch of inexperienced ghost hunters try to attack an innocent ghost to try and push a narrative that not all ghosts are evil isn't gonna fly when majority try to take over the world and kill humans.

Don't get me wrong, I think the story can be good and it most likely will be. However I don't want the narrative to shift to "human bad, ghost misunderstood" BS.
 
AbramsBooks (Publishers of the first graphic novel) have the summery of Fair Game. I'll post it below in bold.

"Spinning right out of the events of Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time, New York Times bestselling author-illustrator Gabriela Epstein returns with another original action-packed graphic novel based on the hit Nickelodeon animated series, where Danny will have to reckon with past ghosts and past grudges

After the events of Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time, Danny Phantom is public enemy number one, and Casper High School has revamped its curriculum as they believe that ghosts are once again a danger to the town. While Danny struggles to find a way to implement his new knowledge of what ghosts are to help them, Valerie Gray is thriving as the best ghost hunter at school. But when Wulf, Danny’s old ghost friend, arrives looking for another ghost wolf cub, Danny and the gang must help track down this cub before their ghost hunting classmates get to it first. Can Danny help protect these ghosts before they get caught, or will his past grudge with Valerie result in his end?


This all-new original graphic novel from New York Times bestselling illustrator Gabriela Epstein continues the Danny Phantom story with this canon story that will satisfy both new and old fans of the Nickelodeon franchise."

I'm glad them mention is canon because people thought A Glitch in Time wasn't canon despite the evidence. Other than that it seems the students are outright gonna be hunting ghosts now, and I guess Danny and crew will be trying to help Wulf find a wolf cub ghost before they do.

Now, I don't really like the new narrative focus that because ghosts are now fully established as emotions Danny is now thinking they should help/protect them despite most of his rouges gallery are evil. They literally thrive of causing problems and the humans are just defending themselves. We've already got good ghosts and they've worked together with humans and not immediately attacked each other. But human believing ghosts are a danger to the town is 100% justifiable and true, I really hope they don't try and spin some nonsense that ghosts are just misunderstood because that's gonna be without a doubt a terrible idea. Implementing a story where a bunch of inexperienced ghost hunters try to attack an innocent ghost to try and push a narrative that not all ghosts are evil isn't gonna fly when majority try to take over the world and kill humans.

Don't get me wrong, I think the story can be good and it most likely will be. However I don't want the narrative to shift to "human bad, ghost misunderstood" BS.
with what happen to DMC, i hope this bs of misunderstood not happen
 
with what happen to DMC, i hope this bs of misunderstood not happen
I heard the DMC Netflix show was mid because it did some questionable stuff. At least for DMC fans it's not canon that I know of. I just don't want them to completely ignore the entirety of the original series for this weird modern trend that's been going around.
 
I heard the DMC Netflix show was mid because it did some questionable stuff. At least for DMC fans it's not canon that I know of. I just don't want them to completely ignore the entirety of the original series for this weird modern trend that's been going around.
yeah, which is why I worry, like a non-canon stuff divide a community, now imagine a canon stuff?
 
yeah, which is why I worry, like a non-canon stuff divide a community, now imagine a canon stuff?
It's definitely gonna cause a division. I don't share most popular opinions as some fans do but overall I think the fandom have an understanding on what's the better aspects of the series.
 
Well, I'm even more skeptical about this new graphic novel. I checked and we got 3 (6 since it is both pages) preview pages from the new book and good god it's looking like they're following through with it.

I'll put them and my points in a spoiler tag just in case those who don't want to see them. If the scans don't work let me know

So let's talk about this.

1. They retcon the Disasteriod. In the original series it's a mineral substance that was anti-ghost in nature and is compared to a Specter Deflector, this is why Vlad or any ghost couldn't touch it (it literally shocked Vlad when he touched it), it was a literal plot device. However in the first scan of the new book it's stated to be a "ghost empowered meteor"... This literally doesn't work, the reason they turned the planet intangible was because ghosts couldn't stop the meteor directly. I don't understand this change.

2. They are likely going all in on that ghost protector thing. The second scan has Danny state that the school (now full of ghost hunters) is the best place to start "protecting ghosts from everyone here is a good start"... WTF! He's saying it like his rogues gallery (or most other fodder ghosts) aren't villains/evil! The problem here is that almost all ghosts that show up are causing problems, they don't want to talk. They don't realize that they aren't properly making a distinction between good and bad here, Danny even adds on "never thought I'd say that", indicating he's referring to ghosts in general.

3. To speak on the non negative stuff, I'd like to see what started Wulf and Valerie's fight that's happening on the 3rd scan. Her mask is already damaged so there is definitely more to it. Danny broke the fourth wall at the beginning of the first scan where the narration began explaining the past events and Danny says "I'll take it from here" and starts explaining. It also states it's been a month since the Disasteriod incident so we get a good spot for when these events take place. Finally it seems the students have Fenton Works weapons.

Overall these preview pages haven't helped my worries regarding the narrative shift. Some interesting stuff, but it's followed by unneeded changes. We are about to get the Devil May Cry Netflix treatment 😡

I shouldn't half to explain why ghosts being misunderstood and needing protection from humans doesn't work as a storyline in this series specifically because we've already established the good and bad ones, this is the same issue I had with some of the narrative points in a Glitch in Time, it's completely removing all of Danny's previous accomplishments and his impact on the ghosts he's encountered. I'll stop my rant there because I want to be positive but it's not looking too good in my opinion.
 
It honestly feels like pure fanon about the fans since they're all about Ghosts being nicer than they actually are, also Danny being some sort of pacifist who's reluctantly forced to use violence.
 
It honestly feels like pure fanon about the fans since they're all about Ghosts being nicer than they actually are, also Danny being some sort of pacifist who's reluctantly forced to use violence.
I don't mind them adding new ghosts that are friendly, but the original series narrative follows a teenage superhero and a gallery of villains (some not to bad, Sidney Poindexter for example was a misunderstanding conflict), however if they want to go full on fan stuff then at least make it gradually. A full 180 shift feels off and requires the audience to completely ignore past events.

Again, I think the storyline can work, I just think it's happening to fast (At least from what where currently given). We'll just half to wait and see I guess.

I told you, I has precognition
I hope that precognition is off.
 
Where does the 'possibly 6-D' aspect of the verse come from? I get why it's 5-D, but not more than that.
Did you read the thread in which it was accepted (asking so I can link it if need be)? 5-D comes from the space of the Ghost Zone holding an uncountable infinite number of realms (timelines), the possible 6-D comes from the possibility of an additional time axis but as I mentioned in the thread, I'm not 100% on it myself. I'm waiting to see if Fair Game provides more description.
 
Did you read the thread in which it was accepted (asking so I can link it if need be)? 5-D comes from the space of the Ghost Zone holding an uncountable infinite number of realms (timelines), the possible 6-D comes from the possibility of an additional time axis but as I mentioned in the thread, I'm not 100% on it myself. I'm waiting to see if Fair Game provides more description.
I just found it. Good work.
 
The full wrap around cover of the new graphic novel shows Dani Phantom is going to be in it.

Danny-phantom-a-fair-game-graphic-novel_wraparound.png


We also got Paulina, Star, Dash and Qwan, the last of which seems to be riding a variation of Valerie's old hoverboard made by Vlad. Glad Dani will be in it because I wasn't sure why she didn't make it appearance in a Glitch in Time (although this is the new timeline Dani). Debating on if I should now make profiles for Danny's classmates now that there actually doing more but I'm not sure about it.
 
The full wrap around cover of the new graphic novel shows Dani Phantom is going to be in it.

Danny-phantom-a-fair-game-graphic-novel_wraparound.png


We also got Paulina, Star, Dash and Qwan, the last of which seems to be riding a variation of Valerie's old hoverboard made by Vlad. Glad Dani will be in it because I wasn't sure why she didn't make it appearance in a Glitch in Time (although this is the new timeline Dani). Debating on if I should now make profiles for Danny's classmates now that there actually doing more but I'm not sure about it.
How about Dash?
 
Welp... I got the new graphic novel and read it.....

I'm going to be blunt, as someone who likes the cartoon and thinks the first graphic novel was decent story wise, this one, Fair Game, is absolutely bad in terms of narrative. It did exactly what I thought it was going to do and worse, Danny's character gets full on assassination and he's a hypocrite along with a few other characters and it's filled with fanfiction ideas that go nowhere as if they were just put so that group of people would clap and praise it despite its poor narrative.

I'll write up a spoiler review later to underline the exact issue but it's basically the Devil May Cry Netflix version of Danny Phantom, a weird/terrible take on something that didn't need to exist in my opinion. Now to be clear, if you liked it, that's fine, I'm just saying that I found it terrible.
 
Welp... I got the new graphic novel and read it.....

I'm going to be blunt, as someone who likes the cartoon and thinks the first graphic novel was decent story wise, this one, Fair Game, is absolutely bad in terms of narrative. It did exactly what I thought it was going to do and worse, Danny's character gets full on assassination and he's a hypocrite along with a few other characters and it's filled with fanfiction ideas that go nowhere as if they were just put so that group of people would clap and praise it despite its poor narrative.

I'll write up a spoiler review later to underline the exact issue but it's basically the Devil May Cry Netflix version of Danny Phantom, a weird/terrible take on something that didn't need to exist in my opinion. Now to be clear, if you liked it, that's fine, I'm just saying that I found it terrible.
OOF. Was it really that bad?
 
Welp... I got the new graphic novel and read it.....

I'm going to be blunt, as someone who likes the cartoon and thinks the first graphic novel was decent story wise, this one, Fair Game, is absolutely bad in terms of narrative. It did exactly what I thought it was going to do and worse, Danny's character gets full on assassination and he's a hypocrite along with a few other characters and it's filled with fanfiction ideas that go nowhere as if they were just put so that group of people would clap and praise it despite its poor narrative.

I'll write up a spoiler review later to underline the exact issue but it's basically the Devil May Cry Netflix version of Danny Phantom, a weird/terrible take on something that didn't need to exist in my opinion. Now to be clear, if you liked it, that's fine, I'm just saying that I found it terrible.
That's unfortunate, were there any new feats worth looking at in the novel?
 
OOF. Was it really that bad?
If the original series didn't exist then the narrative shift wouldn't be to bad. It has some light hearted moments. Tries to show ghosts have feelings and are more than monsters but the issue is we already know this, Danny has talked them before, he has ghost friends but this is like a hammer to the head pushing a narrative. Isolated, it's cool that Danny and crew are trying to save a ghost that's being hunted. But the side hand to humans and the push the make this the true narrative is a slap in the face to those who like the superhero vs ghost villain aspect.

Here is my thoughts that contain spoilers to some stuff that happened.

Ghosts aren't evil Narrative

I specifically mentioned how I didn't like the narrative the series was heading towards regarding ghosts not being evil, that they were misunderstood. This book does exactly that and uses Danny as the mouth piece. After finding out ghosts are real emotions (not sure how that changes anything), Danny decides to push his new philosophy that instead of fighting ghosts, he should talk and protect them....

Danny mentions that they can't just go around attacking ghosts on site anymore and that's where I call cap because if you've watched the series, the ghosts attack first and multiple times Danny has tried to talk with them and they don't listen. 90% of the ghosts we've seen immediately show up and start trouble and yet when Casper High teaches students how to hunt ghosts to defend themselves, the first time a ghost shows up, Danny immediately tries to find the unknown ghost to protect it as if instantly assuming it wasn't someone like Skulker.

To further support this narrative, the story removes every single one of Danny's villains, none show up. The only ghosts we see are Wulf (an ally), Lyca (related to Wulf), and a bunch of weak small ghosts who run scared and want no trouble. This is done so Danny's new philosophy can't be challenged, because the entire narrative would fall apart the moment that 90% of ghosts jump out the portal. This is lazy writing and it's a clear method to push a nonsense narrative.

They even use a secret room in Sam's house as a sanctuary for ghosts that Tucker even called a "Safe Space" for ghosts that need refuge in Amity Park because they all come there anyway (Tucker's exact words). Like, I don't understand how they are ignoring the entire past series to push this narrative. Now to be clear, I'm not saying there aren't good ghosts, it's been established that there are ghosts who just want to be left alone but they are few, and Danny didn't just blast them the moment he saw them. So the story constantly hits the reader over the head saying we can't just attack ghosts anymore because their emotions is stupid.

The Hypocrisy

Despite Danny claiming to be the protector of humans and ghost, and not wanting to fight ghosts anymore, he literally attacks Valerie and the other students on site because he needed to take his frustration out on something... he didn't care if they got injured... right before that he snaps at Dani because she reacts and protects him from what she perceived as an attack and he preaches that her actions have consequences on him because if she fights ghosts they'll come back to his town and he'll half to deal with it... You see how stupid this narrative is yet?

Danny's also upset that the world hates him but I'd like to remind everyone that Danny's the one who chose this timeline because of selfish reasons. He wanted to be the one to be the bridge between worlds, and in this very book, Sam thinks the the ghosts might not show up because humans are now defending themselves and Danny then asks "What does that make me?" Basically saying if ghosts don't show up, he can't push my message, he can't be the bridge between worlds. Danny wants everything to work the way he wants it and will ignore everything that's happened in the past. He's ego driven, instead of being happy that people can defend themselves, he's sad he can't be the savior.

You can't just have a character switch up their motivation and then do the opposite.

Fanfiction ideas that go nowhere

Those who been around the DP fan space notice several themes fans want (I'm not a fan of the ideas but that's irrelevant). This story inserts several fan ideas but does nothing with them.

1. One of them is the student Star, who despite being a side character at best is used in fanfiction that mainly suggests she isn't as mean as the rest of the popular kids at the school. In this book we see she's more welcoming to Valerie joining the group than the others when she tries to join the popular kids again but this goes nowhere as Valerie ends up not being friends with them in the end and nothing more is said.

2. Fans like the idea of Dani, being adopted by the Fentons and living with them. In this book, she enrolled herself into Danny's school and they convince Jack that she's Danny's cousin and she's lives with them. However by the end of the book she and Danny have a falling out and she no longer wants to stay and decided she's not going back. So I ask, what was the point!?

3. For some reason the fandom loves angst Danny and so remember how Dark Danny now inhabitants a clone body of Danny? He's now shown incapable of even transforming and is nerfed, so now he's an antsy teenager who dubs himself the "World Slayer" and goes on about how he hates everything thats not criminal activity and hates being around Vlad despite accepting Vlad's forgiveness but since Vlad's now trying to be a good person, Dark Danny needs to be an angry little teen who in the end becomes loner with Dani and they only can count on each other...

So even if you like these fan ideas, this story takes and does nothing with them.

My Thoughts

As I mentioned, I don't like this narrative the story has taken. It undermines everything that has happened before and while I think it could work in some capacity, this is pushing it. Several ideas go nowhere, characters are basically assassinated in terms of who they are and the narrative isn't challenged, this is just the new thing, Danny and crew even state fighting ghosts and sending them back to the Ghost Zone was always a temporary solution... like, what!? This was never hinted at, the ghosts wanted to fight, they liked the back and forth as some of them openly admit. They get they're power from the conflict. To say they should be talked to doesn't work because they don't want to talk. This new narrative made it seem like Danny was always the aggressive one but that not true.

There's even a point where Danny/Dani say the Thermos is a last resort because ghosts wouldn't feel like talking if they get sucked up... completely ignoring the fact that the only reason they used it before was because the ghosts started attacking first! I just don't get this new narrative. Anyway that's all I got to say, it's definitely not as good as A Glitch in Time, and the story ends with hinting at a ghost war for the third book but I'm not looking forward to it honestly.

That's unfortunate, were there any new feats worth looking at in the novel?
Nothing too major, a few abilities for certain characters, some scaling updates, but this seemed like a prelude to something bigger as the next potential book suggests a ghost war so we might get feats for that. Other than that just more confirmation that Clockwork did create a new timeline (the feat that's already linked on his page) which just means Tier 2 is solid. Other than than no noticable feats that I saw.

I'll read over it again to be sure though when I make some revisions for the ability additions
 
First thread, it's a spoiler regarding Dark Danny's standing after A Glitch in Time.

 
I'm fine with Danny taking a more diplomatic, Wonder-Woman-esque approach to conflict instead of just punching but yeah pretending the malevolent Ghosts don't exist is a wild writing decision lol
Yeah, I think the idea is cool, especially since he's talked and made friends with several ghosts. He's learned from observation that some ghosts aren't just evil and actively has helped them. So the idea of Danny wanting to unite the worlds isn't inherently bad, it's just the narrative in this book being poorly executed.

This book has Danny mention how they can't just randomly attack ghosts on site anymore but this hasn't happened, the ghosts are the ones who attack and Danny defends. When his view is challenged the first and only time by Dani (Basically saying there are ghosts that are evil) they completely ignore it... Saying she just doesn't understand because she wasn't there at the Source. However all they learned at that place was that ghosts are real human emotions and that the world was divided but that's it. They use this as justification that ghosts are "complicated" and thus not outright evil.

This is like saying since humans have emotions we shouldn't punish and lock up criminals (this isn't even accounting for ghosts doing things far beyond any human criminal). Again, I understand the thing their going for but it's so rushed and ignores so much past interactions in the series. I just wish this was a spaced out thing and didn't result in Danny being a hypocrite (wanting to not fight ghosts because their emotions but will attack humans immediately because he's upset).
 
Yeah, I think the idea is cool, especially since he's talked and made friends with several ghosts. He's learned from observation that some ghosts aren't just evil and actively has helped them. So the idea of Danny wanting to unite the worlds isn't inherently bad, it's just the narrative in this book being poorly executed.

This book has Danny mention how they can't just randomly attack ghosts on site anymore but this hasn't happened, the ghosts are the ones who attack and Danny defends. When his view is challenged the first and only time by Dani (Basically saying there are ghosts that are evil) they completely ignore it... Saying she just doesn't understand because she wasn't there at the Source. However all they learned at that place was that ghosts are real human emotions and that the world was divided but that's it. They use this as justification that ghosts are "complicated" and thus not outright evil.

This is like saying since humans have emotions we shouldn't punish and lock up criminals (this isn't even accounting for ghosts doing things far beyond any human criminal). Again, I understand the thing their going for but it's so rushed and ignores so much past interactions in the series. I just wish this was a spaced out thing and didn't result in Danny being a hypocrite (wanting to not fight ghosts because their emotions but will attack humans immediately because he's upset).
It's basically pure fanon.

This reminds me of a tumblr post from long ago (at least I think, it's definitely way before either novel came out) that said Danny would love for things to resolve peacefully and that he prefers not fighting...and that's so bull because of all people Danny loves fighting the most, he enjoys beating the crap out of Ghosts and using them as misplaced aggression, that persist across the entire series.

I mean I get the idea of peace between the two worlds an I feel it's In Character for Danny, but I feel the overly pacifistic approach removes a lot of the interesting parts of Danny and tries to paint the series as something it isn't...
 
Valerie Gray Update from the new book.

 
Updating DP ghosts with another method to Overshadowed people, Immortality Type 2 Justification and two abilities for Danny.

 
I was just reading some blog about Danny, and it actually bought up some good upgrade to his speed (Though it has certain debunks to other scaling).
 
I was just reading some blog about Danny, and it actually bought up some good upgrade to his speed (Though it has certain debunks to other scaling).
These blogs be killing me, the debunks don't be adding up and I'd rather not get another headache but it might surprise me, as for potential speed upgrades, we've already got MFTL+ unless it's a higher grade don't see what they could argue. I'll probably take a look when I get the chance or if someone wants to try and make revisions (upgrades or downgrades) using whatever arguments are in it, go ahead, just make to post a written argument and not just link the blog. I've got about 3 revisions I need to do and I'm honestly spent on scaling, not much I think is left.
 
Fixing the low end Scaling for DP God Tiers because I completely forgot Clockwork's feats that they are scaling to were 2-C, not Low 2-C.

 
Finished the overall scaling revision thread using the new way the verse scaling via its energy system.

 
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