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CW Flash Revision
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Hellbeast
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Well Senator Armstrong vs Flash is fun
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Wait but didn't barry phase punch that gorilla dude and it hurt him and knocked him back instead of piercing so he'd still have to be stronger no? When it comes to characters like that
Hellbeast
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when?
That would also imply the phasing is much worse then we say it is or Grodd simply has Resistance
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I don't think he was trying to kill Solovar, probably just amplify the effect of his punch.
On this note, the fact that Season 3 Flash still struggles with these kinds of opponents is another reason I heavily doubt his current ratings.
It does not make sense in-universe for monkey man and steel guy to have grown dozens or hundreds of times stronger.
On this note, the fact that Season 3 Flash still struggles with these kinds of opponents is another reason I heavily doubt his current ratings.
It does not make sense in-universe for monkey man and steel guy to have grown dozens or hundreds of times stronger.
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To be fair logic and scaling has never been this show's strong suit by any means like ever
Hellbeast
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TBH that feels more like Barry not trying to kill him
It clearly incapped Solovar pretty badly
MONKE ANGRY
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LMAO no I'm not
It's just that this thread stating out the mess in Flash gives me pain. Never watched Flash in any amount in my life
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I have an idea that will probably be massively (and very likely refused) controversial to solve the problem: just ignore stuff like this and focus on bigger feats
The show's massively inconsistent with Barry's power, if we go by what we see he'd be constantly jumping between street tier and planet tier without a clear result, we'll never be able to get proper ratings for him or anyone else if we try to analyze everything to get a precise tier, wich is just impossible at this point. For me, the best option is to simply keep major feats, statements, power-up and at worse we make a note on his profile to explain how inconsistent he is to explain the eventual gap between him and other characters who're shown to be able to match him despite being severely weaker than he is
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Hellbeast
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He's an AC fan he has no sanityOh good, you chose to keep your sanity
TBH that no better then just focusing on the lowest ends
We don't just do that for the comic pages and I don't think we should do that for the CW at all considering it's just going off our own internal biases.
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I'm an AC fan myself
Yeah, I was just attempting something lol
More seriously, the show's inconsistency really makes things frickin' hard to get proper ratings
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TragicI'm an AC fan myself
Yeah the show's insanely messy so it'll be hard
I think Tier 8 would be really consistent but that's based on me skimming what I've seen from characters like Shark
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I'm actually more tolerant than Kol lol (I genuinely love Odyssey and I like Valhalla, at least for the most part)...though the next dlc's giving me a really big headhache right now
At least that's a start and a tier for the first seasons
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Had a look into 8-B quakes by Savitar and Nora and unfortunately they seem to be outdated earthquake standards since now we don't necessarily treat every shaking of a localised area as an earthquake, and it'll probably end up being like 9-B or something. I don't recall the show explicitly stating the magnitude of the earthquakes they caused though I could be wrong.
What's left to do here is to find appropriate ratings for Season 2 and 3 Flash I think.
What's left to do here is to find appropriate ratings for Season 2 and 3 Flash I think.
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Fusing a sand person 100% into glass might be a good start.
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Yeah was about to post a similar value
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Massive downgrade in coming lol
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Links broken on his profile
Hellbeast
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That's based on him having a Billion Joules statement which might not be very consistent considering Flash and other Speedsters regularly get that and the writers think 3 Billion Joules is 7-B
I think Savitar shatters trees but I'm not sure how that helps
EDIT: He casually shatters two I guess
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Hellbeast
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Also should Savitar have a key without the suit
He gets pretty easily trumped by Flash when he stole it
He gets pretty easily trumped by Flash when he stole it
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I'll post every time I'm over half-way through a season (13 episodes in this case).
Season 2
Also, it's just endlessly repetitive. Why does everyone keep kidnapping Patty? And why does Iris keep saying 'you're not the person I knew from this point in time'?
Season 2
- Episode 1
- Barry creates a couple of horizontal whirlwinds, pushing human-sized Atom Smasher with enough force that his boots shatter concrete.
- He survives a somewhat casual thrashing from giant Atom Smasher, who's able to barrel through concrete (displacing at least as much concrete as himself with a jump).
- Episode 2: Aforementioned lightning feat.
- Episode 5: Dr Light can produce blasts hot enough to vaporize sections of concrete, allowing her to cut through a bank wall in a similar way to someone with a torch cutting a hole metal. The Flash can withstand her larger blasts at a distance, but I strongly doubt it scales to the normal ones.
- Episode 6:
- It's shown that Earth-2 Metahumans can devastate buildings in Wells' flashback.
- Honestly, the fact that Zoom could just one-shot Barry's spine proves that he's above a lot of villains.
- Episode 13: It's strongly implied that Zoom kills E-2 Firestorm without phasing, as there's a cracking sound and his hand isn't vibrating when he pulls it out. Plus, when Zoom vibrates, so does his forearm, and we don't see his entire forearm vibrate.
Also, it's just endlessly repetitive. Why does everyone keep kidnapping Patty? And why does Iris keep saying 'you're not the person I knew from this point in time'?
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I was able to binge most of Season 1 and document most speed feats and statements (the only noteworthy AP feats in the first season beyond 9-A are Firestorm’s meltdown and Weather Wizard’s storm feats, which appear to be unscaleable).
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Yeah that should be decent since I believe Atomsmasher survives a fuel explosion that should be like 9-A
Dope
This could be good ngl
Do her blasts have force behind them?
Yeah Zoom was a monster holy shit
Huh this is good scaling
Eh
Don't disrespect Phatty Spivot
But yeah I agree the whole thing really has too much damn filler, like even 11 or 12 episodes would be fine
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So was using both the minimums and maximums settled on?
Also, I enjoyed Flash Seasons 1-3, and even suffered all the way through 4-6, then politely stopped at 7.
The Marvel Netflix shows are much better, to say the least.
The only DC Netflix show I thought was consistently good was Lucifer.
Also, I enjoyed Flash Seasons 1-3, and even suffered all the way through 4-6, then politely stopped at 7.
The Marvel Netflix shows are much better, to say the least.
The only DC Netflix show I thought was consistently good was Lucifer.
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Lame as in endless drama and bad CGI. It's still really fun.
I'm not really disrespecting Patty (anyone would be powerless against sand people). I'm disrespecting the show's repetitive choices in writing.
Tbh, 23 episodes was almost perfect for season 1 (still could have been a little shorter), but it should have been reduced to that number for subsequent episodes.
Anyway, I'm derailing now.
I'm not really disrespecting Patty (anyone would be powerless against sand people). I'm disrespecting the show's repetitive choices in writing.
Tbh, 23 episodes was almost perfect for season 1 (still could have been a little shorter), but it should have been reduced to that number for subsequent episodes.
Anyway, I'm derailing now.
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And yah it's weird the CW shows didn't try to work within budget more
Is a joke
Agreed
To get back on track what seems consistent
Because honestly 9-A for the earlier seasons seems more then valid
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This half of the season is way, way better than the first half (with the exception of him saving his mother). I can actually remember why I adored the Flash now.
Episode 14: Zoom and his metahumans cause massive explosions throughout central city. It could be bombs, but he's only shown carrying fliers, and there's scenes where explosions happen at the instant Zoom is in the epicentre. Just watch the opening (in slow-mo if possible) and you'll see my point that it's most likely Zoom, unless he's set up some contact-based/button-based IEDs. He also does the same kind of stuff against the CCDP in episode 22.
Episode 15: Barry creates a whirlpool very quickly, and electrifies that section of water to knock out King Shark. I think he should scale to his tornadoes and stuff in this season because lightning is also the energy Barry generates while running, and he can withstand his own lightning.
Episode 16:
Episode 21:
Episode 14: Zoom and his metahumans cause massive explosions throughout central city. It could be bombs, but he's only shown carrying fliers, and there's scenes where explosions happen at the instant Zoom is in the epicentre. Just watch the opening (in slow-mo if possible) and you'll see my point that it's most likely Zoom, unless he's set up some contact-based/button-based IEDs. He also does the same kind of stuff against the CCDP in episode 22.
Episode 15: Barry creates a whirlpool very quickly, and electrifies that section of water to knock out King Shark. I think he should scale to his tornadoes and stuff in this season because lightning is also the energy Barry generates while running, and he can withstand his own lightning.
Episode 16:
- Trajectory runs again and again, shattering a bridge, but she's running so much that I don't think Barry should scale normally, especially since her punches alone can harm him.
- Even after slowing down considerably, the Flash still has enough momentum to crush a (phase converter?).
- I don't think this is a permanent amp, just a brief rage amp because Barry still can't run over the canyon by the end. He's also only a little faster than Zoom by quadrupling his speed, and Zoom was previously stated to be 3-4x faster than Barry.
Episode 21:
- Post-Speed Force Barry is somehow just floored by Girder.
- Barry can also charge large magnets. IIRC, that does scale to power.
The big ones, but light itself actually has the ability to inflict pressure (I think it has something to do with energy simulating mass), and the blast pushed outward without moving Dr. Light.
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Yeah, let's double this very solid and not contrived strength value-- Jk, this seems an additive, rather than a multiplier.
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I'm treating it as additive, not a multiplier.
If it was multiplicative, I'd go so far as to include Zoom being 3-4x faster than Barry already, and say he's now 4-5 times stronger. I could go even further by stating that every 2x increase in speed = 4x increase in energy due to how KE works.
If it was multiplicative, I'd go so far as to include Zoom being 3-4x faster than Barry already, and say he's now 4-5 times stronger. I could go even further by stating that every 2x increase in speed = 4x increase in energy due to how KE works.
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Not the topic but I just got out of the theater for The Batman. 10/10 and in my opinion the best live-action Batman movie, period.
