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Speed equalized. I want to see the debate from this match.
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And he exists inside of his Master's domain, agreed.Not Jim Sterling said:Magnus being 2-B seems like Big Low-balling to me as the warp is 12D...But whatever.
Except his is done in minutes at best, even casually. Magnus' casual is thousands of times faster. Magnus' casual would happen on accident. Cronus wouldn't.Matthew Schroeder said:Cronus could also be At least 2-B. His feat is done through a thought, and as a casual action while multitasking fighting Aiolia. He is not trying his hardest nor putting his whole mind into it. It is a passive, secundary action done with no effort.
So you could also call it a lowball.
This is very true, though it might be important for me to point out that the 9-D example of a realm is a 9-D "object" as opposed to an abstract thing to these daemons. It's more like "Tzeentch's nine-dimensional palace" than "Tzeentch's nine-dimensional universe".Matthew Schroeder said:Being inside a 9 or 12D realm does not make you 12D
I don't see why they wouldn't think higher dimensional planes > lower dimensional planes, in this case. It's not like the quote that was something along the lines of "this random daemon's head exploded into hundreds of dimensions", which is nonsense. It's "this realm that is consistently shown to transcend all universal laws and treat the laws of physics as playthings has a structure that encompasses nine-dimensions and is completely incomprehensible and impossible to lowly mortal minds". It's clearly a case-by-case thing, though.Matthew Schroeder said:There is also the more likely chance that the writers at GW simply don't think of Higher-Dimensional Places having the same implication as a lot of people here do.
I completely agree. However, there is a reason Tzeentch's realm is entirely incomprehensible to mortals and even many daemons while Slaanesh's is not, despite both being on a relatively even playing field. Each god's domain is shaped solely by their will, and thus they do not have to operate at their highest potential all of the time. Slaanesh is the god of excess and pleasure, and feeds when mortals indulge in it. Thus Slaanesh benefits from mortals being able to enter his/her realm and fall prey to these things, even if such realm is just a shadow of what Slaanesh truly is.Matthew Schroeder said:I am not trying to debunk the writers treating Higher-Dimensional Planes as a bigger deal. This isn't like series such as Getbackers were Tier 7s fight Higher-Dimensional Beings and it's normal. Warhammer40K definitely is a Tier 1 franchise.
However, it is a case-by-case analysis, and feats should always take precedence. For instance, Slaanesh's palace is understood and navigated by mortals, and the experiences there are tangible and understandable enough to them.
None of this would have any fatal effects on Warp Magnus.Matthew Schroeder said:I don't see how Magnus is touching any of Cronus' Hax. He can manipulate the course of fate itself, has control over the universe in all it's components, manipulates Chaos and entropy themselves, can nullify Mid-Godly Regen, can strike you with one hit and rewind the time of your existence back to the Big Bang so there'll be no traces of you left.
Agreed.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:That said, I'm seeing stalemate, so far. I'd need to look deeper into either having ways to permanently put the other down.