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Crisis Cosmology Revision (Final Thread)

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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Here’s how the scaling would

Low 1-A material plabe: Any being that can completely destroy the entire structure and all the universes. If not, they'll just stay High 1-C for partial destruction.

1-A realms and beings: Hecate, Upside Downman, Lords of Chaos and Order, Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat-Mite, Quintessence, Hell Lords, Angels, Garden of Shadows, Empty Hand, Darkseid, and servants of the Darkness.

1-A+ realms and beings: Dreaming, Dark Multiverse, Divine Conntinnum, 5th Dimension, and 6th Dimension, Speedforce. Anyone who scales to those, the Monitors Brothers and Perpetua gets the tier. Spectre, Dream, and Barbatos get a possibly 1-A+. The Omniversal hierarchy gets 1-A+. Arc Angles and Stillness get this tier as well…..unsure about the Stillness.

High 1-A realms and beings: The Light of Creation(Overvoid, Source, and Presence)

High 1-A+(type 2) realm and being: The Great Darkness

0: The Creator(Presence’s true form)
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I've stated who scales where. I'll write it in the OP as well.
 
Perpetua and the hand is 1-A+ or High 1-A ? Because according to the description in his profile, it is at the same level as Void/Souce or do we reserve them at Unseen Hierarchy?

The Hands reside on the same level of existence as Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, being the unseen breed of creators sent by The Source to configure and birth Multiverses using The Source's energy. Comparable to Perpetua at her full might individually, though Perpetua feared that if they were to discover her treachery, they would come and erase her and her Multiverse from existence
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Hirotoswnn1x said:
According to the original op, it seems that wally will be 1-A at least, but I think if Deep Change is High 1-A, adding High 1-A via Deep Change may be an interesting option. My opinion
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Yeah me too
If i understand correctly, wally with deep change like the source has same r>f, But I thought Deep Change was the same as Speed Force....
So i was wrong
And what abt superman?
 
TheNothing84 said:
Isn't speed force and wally should be High 1-A and super-man 1-A?
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Hirotoswnn1x said:
According to the original op, it seems that wally will be 1-A at least, but I think if Deep Change is High 1-A, adding High 1-A via Deep Change may be an interesting option. My opinion
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Yeah, if someone(or me) decides to make a profile for the Deep Change then yeah.

Hirotoswnn1x said:
Perpetua and the hand is 1-A+ or High 1-A ? Because according to the description in his profile, it is at the same level as Void/Souce or do we reserve them at Unseen Hierarchy?
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Perpetua was a part of the Unseen Hierarchy, but I can see High 1-A, but just baseline since that “hierarchy” has no indication of meta-transendence between their memebers.
 
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TheNothing84 said:
Yeah me too
If i understand correctly, wally with deep change like the source has same r>f, But I thought Deep Change was the same as Speed Force....
So i was wrong
And what abt superman?
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Deep Change is more or less the Speedforce. Superman can be 1-A due to being able to survive in the Sixth Dimension even in that deep pit he was locked up in. He's also the opposite constant force against Darkseid.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Perpetua was a part of the Unseen Hierarchy, but I can see High 1-A, but just baseline since that “hierarchy” has no indication of meta-transience between their memebers.
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I think High 1-A for Perpetua/ The hand as well as others that are scaling, it looks quite good.
 
So this would upgrade Wally West, the New Gods, Hecate, Upside-Down Man, Monitors, etc to 1-A and Perpetua, Hands/Unseen Council, Doctor Manhattan, Batman Who Laughs, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Source/Overvoid and Great Darkness to High 1-A ?
 
God/Presence's true self would be 0 and I think it should be important to note that he has many forms and appearances according to different beliefs and mythologies, and his most common manifestation, The Voice, resides in Heaven but is not limited by that plane of existence. The Source is also close to the nature of God and The Voice in terms of existence. (Although I think that's on the op?)
 
Elizio33 said:
God/Presence's true self would be 0 and I think it should be important to note that he has many forms and appearances according to different beliefs and mythologies, and his most common manifestation, The Voice, resides in Heaven but is not limited by that plane of existence. The Source is also close to the nature of God and The Voice in terms of existence. (Although I think that's on the op?)
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It's not directly on the OP because I don't think its that important to mention when the profiles already tells us that everything including the Light/Overvoid/Source is an aspect of the Presence as is anything.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
It's not directly on the OP because I don't think its that important to mention when the profiles already tells us that everything including the Light/Overvoid/Source is an aspect of the Presence as is anything.
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I would just mention that all gods and deities are aspects of The Creator who sits above all others but is interpretated differently.
 
Empty Hand would be 1-A as well for scaling to TF Darkseid and presumably to Fifth Dimension (The Gentry were said to be fifth-dimensional beings in Multiversity.)
 
Elizio33 said:
I would just mention that all gods and deities are aspects of The Creator who sits above all others but is interpretated differently.
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Unless, you mean put it directly in the OP, the Presence page already mentioned it:
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I would rephrase it like this:

In Crisis Cosmology, The Presence is the supreme essence of quintessential perfection that sits above all others and is the true source of creation. All existence was brought into being by the voice of God whose words, "Let there be light!" created The Light into The Great Darkness who suffered its first knowledge of self at that moment, which makes The Source and The Overvoid aspects of The Presence as they were used interchangeably with The Light. Representing God's will and power, these interchangeable figures have a direct connection to God; when the Spectre entered The Source, he was shown the nature of God. When Mister Miracle stood before the gates of Heaven, he felt The Source behind those gates welcoming all. As the voice of God resides behind the gates of Heaven and commands the Angels and the Spectre, it is a vocal manifestation of God's true nature which is in fact all transcendent and fixed in its perfection, which is interpreted differently throughout different mythologies.
 
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Elizio33 said:
I would rephrase it like this:

In Crisis Cosmology, The Presence is the supreme essence of quintessential perfection that sits above all others and is the true source of creation. All existence was created by the voice of God whose words, "Let there be light!" brought The Light into The Great Darkness who suffered its first knowledge of self at that moment, making The Source and The Overvoid aspects of The Presence as they were used interchangeably with The Light of Creation. Representing God's will and power, these interchangeable figures have a direct connection to God; when the Spectre entered The Source, he was shown the nature of God and when Mister Miracle stood before the gates of Heaven, he felt The Source behind those gates welcoming all. As the voice of God resides behind the gates of Heaven and commands the Angels and the Spectre, it is a vocal manifestation of God's true nature which is in fact all transcendent and one with The Void but interpreted differently from one mythology to another.
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We don't need to capitalize “the” all the time.

Ok, I see that's fine but the Void thing could be left out at the end.
it is a vocal manifestation of God's true nature which is in fact all transcendent and one with The Void but interpreted differently from one mythology to another.
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it is a vocal manifestation of God's true nature which is in fact all transcendent and fixed in its perfection, which is interpreted differently throughout mythologies.
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Elizio33 said:
I have adjusted my proposal
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Elizio33 said:
I agree
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Yeah, the “Void” is too confusing since it can refer to both the Overvoid and Darkness which they themselves can't be “perfection of God” since the 0 beings are only fixed in themselves. Being one with the Overvoid and Darkness means that it is dependent since that suggests separation from itself and well…..you can’t be one with separation, especially since Crisis God is more Monadic than the Ultimate Reality pizzazz like DeMatteis, which either option can't work. So God’s being one with the Void makes more sense as just being one with its perfection(itself).
 
There is also this particular statement that Darkseid is the left hand of the Great Darkness. Personally, I think this statement was more metaphorical than literal, but what do you think?
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Yeah, the “Void” is too confusing since it can refer to both the Overvoid and Darkness which they themselves can't be “perfection of God” since the 0 beings are only fixed in themselves. Being one with the Overvoid and Darkness means that it is dependent since that suggests separation from itself and well…..you can’t be one with separation, especially since Crisis God is more Monadic than the Ultimate Reality pizzazz like DeMatteis, which either option can't work. So God’s being one with the Void makes more sense as just being one with its perfection(itself).
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I have fixed the above proposal, so its all good.
 
Elizio33 said:
There is also this particular statement that Darkseid is the left hand of the Great Darkness. Personally, I think this statement was more metaphorical than literal, but what do you think?
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Yes, it's metaphorical, but a hierarchy clearly is there since Voice>Right>=Left is indicative of how Pariah is stronger than both and Empty Hand being slightly above Darkseid.
 
I just want to say the Elemental Realm at their purest is easily High 1-A. The Red was the M-Field source of everything that dreamt of reslity and unreality while the Green could replace an aspect of the Voice.

So they're profile would be something like this on characters who scale to it: 1-A via the Red/Green, possibly High 1-A via pull potential/reach(which wording seems more necessary).
 
Since the thread is largely accepted, I don't need to vote. I did read it all though and came away with a question. That being how does the Anti-Life Equation fit in and where, if at all, will it scale to with its connection to the Source? This also affects the Life Equation and Kyle Rayner. Since the Life Equation is its opposite and connected to the Source as well. Being implied to be what gave life to gods in John Stewart: The Emerald Knight.
 
Asterotheology said:
Since the thread is largely accepted, I don't need to vote. I did read it all though and came away with a question. That being how does the Anti-Life Equation fit in and where, if at all, will it scale to with its connection to the Source? This also affects the Life Equation and Kyle Rayner. Since the Life Equation is its opposite and connected to the Source as well. Being implied to be what gave life to gods in John Stewart: The Emerald Knight.
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Given that the Source is accepted to be beyond any dual concept in its truest form. I think High 1-A for the Anti-Life is good, the equation itself can range from 1-A+ to High 1-A.

If we just say it is Source equal then High 1-A to both the entity and equation.
 
I I've had a lot of questions lately and I'd like to know the answers.
(And so Sorry if I ask irrelevant questions🙏)

Why superboy-prime isn't scale to darkest since he was beating up him?
There is no mention about this in his page

And if peraih has a page, what would be his tier with regards to op?

(i just now notice that periah haven't profile page)

And Thats was my quistion
 
TheNothing84 said:
I I've had a lot of questions lately and I'd like to know the answers.
(And so Sorry if I ask irrelevant questions🙏)

Why superboy-prime isn't scale to darkest since he was beating up him?
There is no mention about this in his page
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Darkest Knight was holding back since he didn't want to waste his energies while fighting Prime. In the future vision that Diana had, he was out of action most likely defeated at the hands of the Darkest Knight.
TheNothing84 said:
And if peraih has a page, what would be his tier with regards to op?
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1-A or 1-A+ depends. Most likely the former unless the extent of the darkness he controlled was laying waste beyond the Bleed and Orrery.
TheNothing84 said:
(i just now notice that periah haven't profile page)

And Thats was my quistion
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It's coming since Elizio had already made a CRT to index Pariah’s profile.
 
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