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Crisis Cosmology Revision (Final Thread)

The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Doesn't Darkest Knight directly contradict this by saying he literally cannot beat Prime ?
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No. This was during the time he need to collect energy to fight the Hands. So, it's evident that his holding back is what couldn't beat Prime even so Prime couldn't beat him either. Not to mention Prime giving his all in a punch that either killed him or sent him back via his “retcon punches” didn't really harm the Darkest Knight. We know when Diana saw the “end” that all beings that stood against him(Prime included) all lost to him.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Given that the Source is accepted to be beyond any dual concept in its truest form. I think High 1-A for the Anti-Life is good, the equation itself can range from 1-A+ to High 1-A.

If we just say it is Source equal then High 1-A to both the entity and equation.
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So High 1-A for the Anti-Life entity and 1-A+ for both the Anti-Life Equation and Life Equation? With Kyle Rayner getting 1-A or higher for being the user of the Life Equation?
 
Elizio33 said:
I agree with everything. The only thing I was really skeptical about was the Greater Omniverse being part of The Source's dream, which I think is more likely The Source's realm. The rest is fine.
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That seems fine to me as well then. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
That seems fine to me as well then. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
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Yeah….we probably should get this moving along before I'm bombarded by questions and this thread reaches ten billion pages long. I'll see if there's anything within the next 24 hours (grace) to 48 hours (application of changes) to get this on the road.
 
This may not be so relevant, but it is implied, although not directly stated, that the Great Darkness is part of God's plan since its awakening has been prepared since the beginning of time.

"This crisis has been brewed since time began."

This is how I see it: God prepared the Light so that the Great Darkness could refer to itself through it and vice versa, complementing itself and thus forming a duality that defines everything. Creation is about dual interactions and God who sits above duality prepared everything since time began.
 
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Elizio33 said:
This may not be so relevant, but it is implied, although not directly stated, that the Great Darkness is part of God's plan since its awakening has been prepared since the beginning of time.

"This crisis has been brewed since time began."

This is how I see it: God prepared the Light so that the Great Darkness could refer to itself through it and vice versa, complementing itself and thus forming a duality that defines everything. Creation is about dual interactions and God who sits above duality prepared everything since time began.
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Ok. Seems fine.
 
The Presence section has been updated and OMG he is OP!

Angels and Heaven:​

Angels are like diamonds inside out forever reflecting the infinite glory of the Presence, a hymn without beginning or end.

Heaven and the Universe is spun upon an axis of symmetry. The Presence’s true form fixed in itself breath the universal symmetry of Creation.

Creation:​

The Presence is the center of all centers, he determines the plan within all plans.

Aspects and Manifestation:​

Mageddon, the primordial annihilator, and the shadow of God is a menace beyond the Source.

Spectre can tear apart all reality from Heaven, Hell, and everything in between.

The Presence first manifest in the Void beyond Creation, seemingly his unconscious as I said in the Great Darkness section. A place of pure sanctity of mind and soul.

The Presence lives in all beings including that of Asmodel and Hell. Everything and everyone.

Beyond Great Darkness:​

The Spectre could have ended the war of afterlives and stopped the Darkness, if he had used his powers properly.

There's no place or reality that the judgment of the Presence can't reach.

True Face of God:​

God has a true face, a perfection of divinity.

Easily the strongest being in DC.
 
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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
The Presence section has been updated and OMG he is OP!

Angels and Heaven:​

Angels are like diamonds inside out forever reflecting the infinite glory of the Presence, a hymn without beginning or end.

Heaven and the Universe is spun upon an axis of symmetry. The Presence’s true form fixed in itself breath the universal symmetry of Creation.

Creation:​

The Presence is the center of all centers, he determines the plan within all plans.

Aspects and Manifestation:​

Mageddon, the primordial annihilator, and the shadow of God is a menace beyond the Source.

Spectre can tear apart all reality from Heaven, Hell, and everything in between.

The Presence first manifest in the Void beyond Creation, seemingly his unconscious as I said in the Great Darkness section. A place of pure sanctity of mind and soul.

The Presence lives in all beings including that of Asmodel and Hell. Everything and everyone.

Beyond Great Darkness:​

The Spectre could have ended the war of afterlives and stop the Darkness if he had used his powers properly.

There's no place or reality that the judgment of the Presence can't reach.

True Face of God:​

God has a true face, a perfection of divinity.

Easily the strongest being in DC.
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Yeah. The Presence is the God of the DC Universe with a capital "G" even the Great Darkness is part of his plan.
 
It's not really relevant, but it does concern the origins of creation. There has been some confusion as to which version is correct between that of Death Metal and that of Dark Crisis. I think both versions are correct actually.

Dark Crisis gave the short story while Death Metal gave a more contextualized picture and it was mentioned that great energies were born from The Source since the dawn of time and were shaped into the Multiverse by The Hands.

What if the Source didn't created the energies? What if their birth was caused by something from beyond the Source? We already know that the Great Darkness is beyond the Source and that there is a cosmic interaction between the two forces upon which the DC Multiverse is built. One particular scan of Animal Man implies that Source was struck by an outside force that basically caused creation to come into being, this could have actually caused these great energies to come into being that are still part of Source.

To summarize, the Source emerged from the Great Darkness and grew and the darkness shuddered, which not only caused it to scream out in pain and relief, but also cracked the Light/Source which ultimately birthed great energies of creation from the Source's very being. The Source then spawned its "Hands" and send them to shape these energies into multiple life systems.
 
Elizio33 said:
It's not really relevant, but it does concern the origins of creation. There has been some confusion as to which version is correct between that of Death Metal and that of Dark Crisis. I think both versions are correct actually.

Dark Crisis gave the short story while Death Metal gave a more contextualized picture and it was mentioned that great energies were born from The Source since the dawn of time and were shaped into the Multiverse by The Hands.

What if the Source didn't created the energies? What if their birth was caused by something from beyond the Source? We already know that the Great Darkness is beyond the Source and that there is a cosmic interaction between the two forces upon which the DC Multiverse is built. One particular scan of Animal Man implies that Source was struck by an outside force that basically caused creation to come into being, this could have actually caused these great energies to come into being that are still part of Source.

To summarize, the Source emerged from the Great Darkness and grew and the darkness shuddered, which not only caused it to scream out in pain and relief, but also cracked the Light/Source which ultimately birthed great energies of creation from the Source's very being. The Source then spawned its "Hands" and send them to shape these energies into multiple life systems.
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Seems good.
 
DC in a few:
"Smurfs. Smurfs everywhere" - Buzz Lightyear
Black Alice's magic absorption hax , Crazy Jane's strongest personalities, New 52 Timothy Hunter (and The Books of Magic in general), Manhunter's mind hax, and quite a few immediately come to mind.
 
Eseseso said:
Marvel: Adorable.

Huh, really? Didn't think DC had that many smurfs.
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Yeah Manhunter can straight up fight beings unfathomably above his weight class with his mindhax (Perpetua is the most recent example but it's definitely not his only example he has had a lot of times where his mindhax can affect or outpace beings and things way above his weight class)
Crazy Jane: Yeah her most powerful personalities could affect entities who scale above the Over-Monitor (which may or may not be an issue now, depends honestly...) . However usually she isn't at those levels and like Marvel's Legion her power level varies a crap ton
Black Alice: Yeah um just straight can absorb all of DC's Magic. Only reason she was defeated was a plot device.
Timothy Hunter: Yeah he is usually just a kid in power level but he's straight up said to have enough magic power to fight John Constantine wielding the Books of Magic, who could've just straight up wiped the Multiverse off the map and other such statements about them. John Constantine also called him and his father using a level of magic / power that he has never encountered before, so yeah.
I'm almost positive I'm missing others.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Yeah….we probably should get this moving along before I'm bombarded by questions and this thread reaches ten billion pages long. I'll see if there's anything within the next 24 hours (grace) to 48 hours (application of changes) to get this on the road.
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Grace for CRT's is only 48 hours after the thread's creation, not its acceptance
 
Antvasima said:
That seems fine to me as well then. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
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Can you open:

Doctor Fate (Classic)

Perpetua

The Batman Who Laughs

Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis)

The Hands (DC Comics)

The Monitors (DC Comics)

Darkseid (Pre-Flashpoint)

Empty Hand

Orion (DC Comics)

The Source

The Great Darkness

The Overvoid

Hecate (DC Comics)

The Upside-Down Man (DC Comics)

Dream of the Endless

Mister Mxyzptlk

Bat-Mite

The Thought Robot

Mandrakk the Dark Monitor

The World Forger

Anti-Monitor

The Monitor

The Spectre

Barbatos

Doctor Manhattan
 
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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Can you open:

Doctor Fate (Classic)

Perpetua

The Batman Who Laughs

Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis)

The Hands (DC Comics)

The Monitors (DC Comics)

Darkseid (Pre-Flashpoint)

Empty Hand

Orion (DC Comics)

The Source

The Great Darkness

The Overvoid

Hecate (DC Comics)

The Upside-Down Man (DC Comics)

Dream of the Endless

Mister Mxyzptlk

Bat-Mite

The Thought Robot

Mandrakk the Dark Monitor

The World Forger

Anti-Monitor

The Monitor

The Spectre

Barbatos

Doctor Manhattan
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I have handled it, unless you wrote some titles wrong that I did not notice. 🙏
 
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