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Crisis Cosmology Revision (Final Thread)

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VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
That would mean that the Source was uncreated. That beats what the Darkness is.
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I don't think The Source was "created," but rather was always there as a product or manifestation of God's will and power before manifesting itself as the light in contrast to darkness. This is how I see it.
 
Elizio33 said:
I don't think The Source was "created," but rather was always there as a product or manifestation of God's will and power before manifesting itself as the light in contrast to darkness. This is how I see it.
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Some philosophies may support this notion somewhat but there are obvious problems with this.

The Darkness before the Light was treated as an infinite vast nothingness not unlike say the Sea of Brahma from DeMatteis's story. Iself was alone with nothing but myself to be referenced. “God” manifesting his direct manifestation or will requires a point from where and when it came. You can't really predate nothingness unless you're identical in nature to God, which can't be because separation exist if said “will” is being extended from its original state.
 
What rating will the Elemental Forces like The Green and The Rot be with this?
 
Da3ggman said:
What rating will the Elemental Forces like The Green and The Rot be with this?
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Gokuversal……..just kidding 1-A. The Green and Red have the potential to be 1-A+ since they touch every plane of existence as well as having levels that ends in the timeless Void.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Gokuversal……..just kidding 1-A. The Green and Red have the potential to be 1-A+ since they touch every plane of existence as well as having levels that ends in the timeless Void.
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Nice

(I will totally not try to upgrade Aquaman to Outerversal with The Clear wdym-)
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I do have a suggestion. We could keep Orrery as a High 1-C, but give Low 1-A to the totality of the material realm. However, I think that because the Orrery was removed during Infinite Frontier, it still works. Either way works.
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I remember you said you had some scans that might put the universes in high 1-B, in context with other statements, thought u would put them in this final thread
 
GoldenVortex94 said:
I remember you said you had some scans that might put the universes in high 1-B, in context with other statements, thought u would put them in this final thread
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No, I don't have any of that. There are two scans I could think of, but one of them is creator-owned and the other isn't part of the Crisis continuity.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
No, it's not referring to any space-time continuum but the very concept of time and space. This is better explained with Wonderland being the tip of time and space itself given that everything outside the Orrery is completely absent or beyond space. The individual universes obviously follow the notion of the time-space continuum but the entire Orrery contains the very core concept.
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None of your scans imply what you claim, it's very easy and definitely less strenuous to say normal space time than this "concept" of space time you're talking about.
 
Da3ggman said:
Nice

(I will totally not try to upgrade Aquaman to Outerversal with The Clear wdym-)
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Alright, to circle back to this, after researching into it a bit more, Aquaman can absolutely use The Clear/The Blue to great effect.....at least back in Post-Crisis. Idk how all the different continuity shifts and changes effect all that.
 
Da3ggman said:
Alright, to circle back to this, after researching into it a bit more, Aquaman can absolutely use The Clear/The Blue to great effect.....at least back in Post-Crisis. Idk how all the different continuity shifts and changes effect all that.
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Should be fine. Just show the scans you're referring to.
 
I've finished what I could with JLA. Animal Man will be broken. Doom Patrol is also next since I realize there's not much contradicting thing. We just can't use the more recent one with the Young Animal Universe, but the rest should be fine.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Should be fine. Just show the scans you're referring to.
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This is probably the most explicit example, with him using The Clear to destroy and illusion and mind manipulation spell/effect on his son.

"Seems so. His mind had been disguised magically, but The Clear cut through."

There are other examples that I'll try to find later, like him being able to communicate with literally any sea creature through it, even dead ones, as their consciousness still resides within The Clear, and also maybe some stuff about him being it's "champion", similar to how Swamp Thing is The Green's (big maybe on the latter one), but this should suffice for now.
 
Da3ggman said:
.There are other examples that I'll try to find later, like him being able to communicate with literally any sea creature through it, even dead ones, as their consciousness still resides within The Clear, and also maybe some stuff about him being it's "champion", similar to how Swamp Thing is The Green's (big maybe on the latter one), but this should suffice for now.
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To be frank, all that's required is that the Clear scales to the Green.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
To be frank, all that's required is that the Clear scales to the Green.
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I got you

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The Parliament of Waves (The Clear) can give the same level of authority to Swamp Thing over the waters as The Green (Parliament of Trees) can give him over plant life, and The Melt (Parliament of Stones) can over the Earth.

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The different elementals equivalence in position is further emphasized here, with each Parliament being depicted as similar to each other.
 
Da3ggman said:
I got you

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The Parliament of Waves (The Clear) can give the same level of authority to Swamp Thing over the waters as The Green (Parliament of Trees) can give him over plant life, and The Melt (Parliament of Stones) can over the Earth.

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The different elementals equivalence in position is further emphasized here, with each Parliament being depicted as similar to each other.
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Yeah, I remembered that storyline. Aquaman would be 1-A via the Clear. At the very least, Low 1-A likely 1-A via the Clear.
 
Before anyone complains about Animal Man and Doom Patrol.

Isn't it Vertigo?​

Vertigo publication didn't existed when these story stories were written. It was only implemented as Vertigo prints due to their mature nature when DC decided to move their obscure story under this publishing label. This was literally the case with Swamp Thing which like Hellblazer(more so Constantine) is part of the larger DCU canon and not the Sandman Universe(regardless of overlaps). This is why both are mentioned and coined a lot during DC stories more than their Sandman counterparts.

Isn't the information outdated?​

Some stuff are but that's commonly seen across every work. What works we use and what doesn't we don't.
 
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