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Creating The Naruto/Boruto Movie Profiles

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Note: Please let me reply to your arguments, there almost is no room for debate if the thread closes before I get a chance to reply. I just want this to be civil.

Introduction
I have returned after months of being on hiatus, so I think it's time to make this thread.

Technically a Part 2 to this thread. Now that it has been agreed upon that the Boruto manga and anime are different canon continuities. I think it makes sense to explain why we should treat the Boruto movie (as well as its novel) as its own continuity as well and not a retcon. And finally, make it’s own profiles. The stats of the movie/novel profiles will be discussed in another thread if this one gets accepted, so let’s leave the AP and whatnot for another thread.


Interview
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Key points:
  • According to Kodachi, there are different parallel timelines
  • Anime filler is its own canon continuity however
  • The novels are canon to the manga continuity according to the official publisher Shueisha
  • So is cooperate canon
  • 3 different timelines prove this
  • The newest one includes the Retsuden series therefore this timeline was published in autumn 2019 that precedes the manga (the manga adapted the movie arc in 2016-2017) and anime continuities (the anime adapted the movie arc in 2018) respectively
  • Meaning there is no retcon.
  • There is also an instance where Masashi Kishimoto was asked to continue the movie timeline by making more movies but was too tired to do so. Indicating that it could’ve been its own series. Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...sked-for-sequel-please-let-me-rest-now/.90993


Differences Between Movie and Anime/Manga

  • The Otsutsuki members:
    • Urashiki Otsutsuki doesn’t exist in the Movie timeline. Due to which:
      • There are no interactions between him and Toneri Otsutsuki. So Toneri never gets sealed.
      • Urashiki reported to Momoshiki and Kinshiki about Kaguya and the Tailed Beast, but in the movie, Momoshiki and Kinshiki gather info by themselves.
      • Urashiki attacks Gaara when Gaara was on his way to Konoha, this doesn’t happen in the movie, this plays a role in the anime as Gaara alerts the Kage when he arrives at Konoha. This is what allowed Gaara and Chōjūrō to fight and be careful about Urashiki’s abilities in the anime. The fight didn’t happen in the movie.
      • Urashiki attacks Mitsuki in the anime, which doesn’t happen in the movie.
      • Urashiki not existing in the movie means that the Time Travel Arc from the anime never happened in the movie timeline.

  • Toneri Otsutsuki:
    • No interaction between Urashiki or Boruto in the movie, this is a plot point for the anime, as Toneri warns Boruto about the future and that his eye would guide him, after getting sealed, he has to rely on Boruto to make his own decisions.

  • Momoshiki Otsutsuki:
    • Has a different design after eating Kinshiki (though this might not be that big of a difference).
    • In the anime and manga, after losing to Boruto during the Rasengan clash, Momoshiki becomes a spirit and interacts with Boruto, after which he gives Boruto Karma. This doesn’t happen in the movie.
    • Boruto’s use of Karma plays a role in every arc that takes place after the Momoshiki arc. Since this never happens in the movie, the later arcs won’t take place in the movie timeline.
    • This also means that Borushiki (Momoshiki taking over Boruto) never happens in the movie timeline due to his body not being overtaken by Karma, as this was a major plot point in Naruto’s retrieval (Borushiki killed Boro) and after the battle of Isshiki (Sasuke losing his Rinnegan to Borushiki).
    • This also means that the movie doesn’t have the pills that Amado made for Boruto or the Kage Summit in which they discussed Boruto’s situation with Momoshiki and how it should be dealt with, which is only in the manga at the moment, and the inevitable Boruto vs Kawaki fight that happens in the future (Boruto and Kawaki both possessed the Karma) which happens in the manga and anime only.

  • Kaguya Otsutsuki:
    • (This is a possibility so don’t take it at face value, but there might be evidence to suggest otherwise) According to the Boruto Movie Novelisation and the Databook that is only canon to the movie. Kaguya is stated to be dead, the only other term used in the battle against Kaguya was that Naruto and Sasuke were ‘victorious’, it was never mentioned that they sealed her (the manga and anime make it clear that Kaguya was sealed). As far as the novel goes, the term died/death/dead and defeated/sealed aren’t interchangeable as the kanji for both words are different.
    • Kanji for death
    • Kanji for defeated
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  • Boruto Uzumaki:
    • Boruto neither possesses the Byakugan nor the Jougan in the movie. An important eye, that'd determine his fate and "take everything from him". This also plays a role when Boruto gets overtaken by Momoshiki in which only his Byakugan/Jougan eye is active. The Jougan plays a role in the first arc of the anime, indicating that the arc didn’t take place in the movie timeline.

  • Kara:
    • In all honesty, Kara might not even exist in this universe, and neither are the Mujina Bandits.
    • In the manga and anime, Katasuke (the scientist responsible for making scientific ninja tools) was put under a genjutsu by a Kara member (Ao), which explains why he did what he did during the Chuunin Exams. In the movie, however, he acted on his own for the sole purpose of advertising his technology.
    • The existence of Kara relies on Karma, which doesn’t exist in the movie timeline, so the interrogation of Shojoji wouldn’t happen as he states that he found Kara in the basement of a building where he saw Karma among other seals in the manga and anime only.
    • No Karma means no Isshiki finding a vessel (Kawaki), so likely no Kawaki in the movie timeline either.
    • No Kawaki means the fight between Boruto and Kawaki in the future doesn’t happen in the movie timeline.


Conclusion:
As noted above, many differences indicate the movie is a separate canon continuity from the manga and the anime, and not a retcon. The movie profiles will be scaling to their own feats and scaling, rather than keys to prevent compositing. The anime events that take place before the Chuunin Exams Arc (Academy Entrance, School Trip, Graduation Exams, Genin Missions, and Byakuya Gang Arc) aren’t even mentioned in the movie timeline and Karma not existing indicates that the arcs that take place in the anime and manga, likely don't happen in the movie timeline. In comparison, the Justice League Snyder Cut got its own keys despite having the same events and 2 hours of new plot points compared to the original Justice League, while the Boruto anime has far more hours of new plot points compared to the Boruto Movie. As such, all the characters who played a major role in the Boruto movie should get their own profiles, in which some of their abilities should be removed and should get new AP and speed stats, which will all be discussed in the next thread.
 
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I honestly don't see why we need it. I get it is a seperate work from the official timeline but there's really not that much of a difference in ability to make entirely new profiles for.

Although with the ZSJL reference does side with it. So who else apart from Naruto, Sasuke, Boruto and Kages profiles would need to be created?
 
The_Alxhemist said:
I honestly don't see why we need it. I get it is a seperate work from the official timeline but there's really not that much of a difference in ability to make entirely new profiles for.

Although with the ZSJL reference does side with it. So who else apart from Naruto, Sasuke, Boruto and Kages profiles would need to be created?
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Yeah, pretty much the same reason we split the manga and anime, and of course, ZSJL and JL, making keys would count as compositing. As for the profiles, just Naruto, Sasuke, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Boruto and the Gokage (since it doesn't scale to the main continuity). We may not need to make a separate profile for Sarada or Mitsuki.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
It was rejected twice.
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That thread literally uses different scans and arguments. None of which are related to mine.
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This one closed down cuz of Purgy's argument: The minor alterations like that are exactly why we don't consider it canon, but there needs to be a pretty drastic story/character differences IIRC for it to be given a different profile/key, not minor things.
This is exactly what I did. I've proved why events such as the Karma implant, the existence of Kara, and the fact that other events that happened only in the manga and anime, didn't take place in the movie timeline.
 
So, outside of the Karma and everything that occurred afterwards in the main story, the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1?

"Oh, the movie doesn't have plot points from the manga that came out years later -- plot points that were not explored until the next saga, by the way -- so it's justified."
 
Nullflowerblush said:
So, outside of the Karma and everything that occurred afterwards in the main story, the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1?

"Oh, the movie doesn't have plot points from the manga that came out years later -- plot points that were not explored until the next saga, by the way -- so it's justified."
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Not just Karma, Urashiki Otsustuski, the interactions between Boruto and Toneri, Toneri getting sealed, the Jougan/Byakugan, Katasuke being put under a genjutsu, some of the fights that didn't take place like Urashiki vs the Kage, Kaguya being potentially dead. There's also Kodachi confirming different parallel timelines. Or the fact that the movie was included in the published timeline alongside Retsuden.
 
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Not just Karma, Urashiki Otsustuski, the interactions between Boruto and Toneri, Toneri getting sealed, the Jougan/Byakugan, some of the fights that didn't take place like Urashiki vs the Kage, Kaguya being potentially dead.
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So, if we take out everything that came after the battle with Momoshiki, and take out everything new that the main story and anime story added, we're left with essentially identical plots, right?
 
RanaProGamer said:
Similar to the Snyder Cut, identical plots, different subplots, new characters, different interactions, somewhat new fights.
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Firstly, the Snyderverse key encompasses not only the Snyder Cut, but also Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, and Wonder Woman.
Secondly...
Now this doesn’t mean they won’t be on the profiles. Considering Zack Snyder’s Justice League is practically a wholly new film with a very different structure, narrative, aesthetic and character arcs as well as having entirely new characters to play around with for the film’s four hour runtime (Darkseid, Desaad, Joker and Martian Manhunter) with entirely new scaling and feats would easily be enough of a reason to incorporate the Snyder characters on the Wiki - as keys.
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Nullflowerblush said:
So, if we take out everything that came after the battle with Momoshiki, and take out everything new that the main story and anime story added, we're left with essentially identical plots, right?
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not really

anyways i agree
although I'm afraid of the possibility that Naruto will become like goku profile
 
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Certain anime & manga franchises also run into similar problems. For instance, Dragon Ball possesses numerous alternative continuity games, and non-canon movies. Other large scale franchises often run into similar problems, containing numerous non-canonical spin-offs and alternate continuities.

However, problem can arise from this: If one were to allow all alternate and/or non-canon versions of said characters, we would eventually be crowded with dozens of alternate profiles for the same characters, as well as composite profiles that cross-scale across multiple continuities and inflate the number of pages even more.

As such, certain limitations must be placed:

4) Franchises which contain non-canonical spin-offs/movies/videogames, et cetera, each with their own continuities and feats, yet not to the extent that Marvel and DC Comics do, should only be allowed profiles for notable original characters from said spin-offs, and not alternate versions of canonical characters, unless they are very prominent and notable.

Ex: Main villains from non-canonical movies of Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, One Piece and the like can be allowed profiles, yet most versions of Son Goku contained in games such as Shin Budokai should not, as the only difference they hold from Canon Goku lies in their extent of power. However, given the prominence and popularity of Dragon Ball GT, alternative versions of Goku and Vegeta from this continuity have been allowed. If the alternate non-canonical version of a character is notable enough in the sense of having their own feats, and a different role and purpose, then it is possible that profiles for them can be created.
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This goes against the rules.

Disagreeing. Should be closed.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Firstly, the Snyderverse key encompasses not only the Snyder Cut, but also Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, and Wonder Woman.
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So basically, only 1/4 films are different so it still got keys. Also, the official timeline suggests that the novels (including the Boruto movie novelisation) is canon to the Naruto manga, and other novels (The Last and Retsuden), the only thing it doesn't encompass is the Boruto anime and manga.
The structure is how the plot or story of a play is laid out, including a beginning, a middle and an end. Plays may also include subplots, which are smaller stories that allow the audience to follow the journey of different characters and events within the plot.
In which case, the beginning is different in the Boruto movie, as it doesn't foreshadow Boruto's future fight with Kawaki. Subplots include the other 3 genin teams, Urashiki, Shinki, Mitsuki's Sage Mode, Toneri, Byakugan/Jougan and of course Karma.
What about JL Snyder Cut?
Different beginning, Sylas dies, Flash uses Time Travel, the Knightmare Realm, Martian Manhunter, Steppenwolf talking to Desaad and Darkseid. Yet it still follows the same plot, Steppenwolf collects each Boxes, the JL is formed, Superman gets revived, JL beat Steppenwolf.
 
KingTempest said:
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This goes against the rules.

Disagreeing. Should be closed.
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But the Boruto movie is canon, why can't it be counted as a separate canon continuity? Especially since its not retconned. Wouldn't this follow:
3) Should said alternative versions originate within the main continuity, they would also be considered primary canon, and allowed, if notable enough.
 
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RanaProGamer said:
But the Boruto movie is canon, why can't it be counted as a separate canon continuity? Especially since its not retconned. Wouldn't this follow:
3) Should said alternative versions originate within the main continuity, they would also be considered primary canon, and allowed, if notable enough.
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Your argument for saying it wasn't retconned isn't good. You basically just said "they confirmed it as canon" which was far before it was retconned.

It was retconned, making it not canon.

And they aren't notable enough. The movie is literally just the anime which retconned it and changed the events.

This follows under this
4) Franchises which contain non-canonical spin-offs/movies/videogames, et cetera, each with their own continuities and feats, yet not to the extent that Marvel and DC Comics do, should only be allowed profiles for notable original characters from said spin-offs, and not alternate versions of canonical characters, unless they are very prominent and notable.

Ex: Main villains from non-canonical movies of Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, One Piece and the like can be allowed profiles, yet most versions of Son Goku contained in games such as Shin Budokai should not, as the only difference they hold from Canon Goku lies in their extent of power. However, given the prominence and popularity of Dragon Ball GT, alternative versions of Goku and Vegeta from this continuity have been allowed. If the alternate non-canonical version of a character is notable enough in the sense of having their own feats, and a different role and purpose, then it is possible that profiles for them can be created.
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Even if this was allowed, while several things didn't happen in the movie continuity, it's not like the movies go beyond that point. They wouldn't give use enough info to make much other than different statistics versions of Naruto and like a few others.
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Yeah, pretty much the same reason we split the manga and anime, and of course, ZSJL and JL, making keys would count as compositing. As for the profiles, just Naruto, Sasuke, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Boruto and the Gokage (since it doesn't scale to the main continuity). We may not need to make a separate profile for Sarada or Mitsuki.
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Yeah no, I definitely disagree with giving the likes of the Gokage profiles. It's literally just trying to skip around the outlier of them scaling and they aren't different visually or character wise besides stats. You need to make sure the characters are noticeable enough and different enough from canon to get profiles.
 
KingTempest said:
Your argument for saying it wasn't retconned isn't good. You basically just said "they confirmed it as canon" which was far before it was retconned.
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No, it would've gotten retconned if it weren't mentioned in the official timeline, except the official publisher Shueisha timeline which was published in 2019 (more than 3 years after the anime and manga were already publishing/airing) confirms that the movie and the manga is part of the canon timeline, alongside Retsuden and The Last. It literally being in the timeline even after 3 years of manga and anime content confirms that they still treat it as canon.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Even if this was allowed, while several things didn't happen in the movie continuity, it's not like the movies go beyond that point. They wouldn't give use enough info to make much other than different statistics versions of Naruto and like a few others.
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Kishimoto couldn't continue making movies cuz he was exhausted, it could've been its own thing.
LordGriffin1000 said:
Yeah no, I definitely disagree with giving the likes of the Gokage profiles. It's literally just trying to skip around the outlier of them scaling and they aren't different visually or character wise besides stats. You need to make sure the characters are noticeable enough and different enough from canon to get profiles.
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Ok, I can agree with not giving the Gokage profiles.
 
RanaProGamer said:
No, it would've gotten retconned if it weren't mentioned in the official timeline, except the official publisher Shueisha timeline which was published in 2019 (more than 3 years after the anime and manga were already publishing/airing) confirms that the movie and the manga is part of the canon timeline, alongside Retsuden and The Last. It literally being in the timeline even after 3 years of manga and anime content confirms that they still treat it as canon.
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The anime retcon for the movie started in 2020.

The anime started earlier, but the retcon in that arc happened far later.

It's like the resurrection of F for DBS. The anime started already, but later down the line the movie already came out.

Retsuden novels and the last haven't been remade by a canon continuation, unlike the boruto movie
 
however, there aren't enough differences between the movie and manga/anime to justify an entirely different profile.

if people really want movie representation then just create a Key or something
 
Purgy said:
Is it allowed to put non canon stuff on canon profiles as separate keys?
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Good question

In One Piece we have a character (Shiki) who has a canon key and a non canon movie key, but the events of the movie are split from the canon of the series.

There's not that big of a difference here except some changed scenes, so I'm not sure
 
Purgy said:
Is it allowed to put non canon stuff on canon profiles as separate keys?
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Maybe. We did it for Superman
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Maybe. We did it for Superman
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Note: The canon version includes the Brandon Routh version because Superman Returns and Crisis on Infinite Earths are canon with Superman I and II (more specifically the Donner Cut) but not with III and IV.
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Reread that old thread, and adding non canon keys is called compositing which isn’t allowed. So it’s either make a new profile or bust.

At most I could see a new profile for movie fused momoshiki since it’s a different visual form.
 
Sorry to spam but this just came to my mind, while seemingly accepted (I just never got around to it), I had an extended continuity page for Ichigo made up combining pm all his non-canon appearances, which was sold on the basis of him having so many different forms. Idk if Naruto has different forms across mediums, but if he does you could better sell this that way.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Reread that old thread, and adding non canon keys is called compositing which isn’t allowed. So it’s either make a new profile or bust.
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Pretty much what I originally proposed, unless the standards are different now than they were then.
 
KingTempest said:
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This goes against the rules.

Disagreeing. Should be closed.
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Going by your own rules, this should get a profile, there are plenty changes from the movie and the anime continuity. If u just took the time to read the thread u would know. This is also canon material as Kishimoto worked on this movie more than the boruto manga so I don’t see why it wouldn’t apply
 
KingTempest said:
The anime retcon for the movie started in 2020.

The anime started earlier, but the retcon in that arc happened far later.

It's like the resurrection of F for DBS. The anime started already, but later down the line the movie already came out.

Retsuden novels and the last haven't been remade by a canon continuation, unlike the boruto movie
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Resurrection of f and the anime adaptation are literally the same thing with changed scenes. U could watch that movie and continue with dragon ball, u could not watch the boruto movie and continue with the manga or anime There would be so many plot holes. Keep in mind that the previous episodes before the momoshiki arc would not be in this continuity. So no jougan arc no karma etc. The only things that would be canon to the movie timeline would be naruto gaiden: scarlet spring and mitsuki’s special chapter.
 
sageof8paths said:
Resurrection of f and the anime adaptation are literally the same thing with changed scenes. U could watch that movie and continue with dragon ball, u could not watch the boruto movie and continue with the manga or anime There would be so many plot holes. Keep in mind that the previous episodes before the momoshiki arc would not be in this continuity. So no jougan arc no karma etc. The only things that would be canon to the movie timeline would be naruto gaiden: scarlet spring and mitsuki’s special chapter.
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u could not watch the boruto movie and continue with the manga or anime
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Yes you can, cause I did that and they explained the events along the way

Why would Mitsuki's special and the gaiden still be canon?

They changed a few scenes. Doesn't deserve a new key/profile.
 
KingTempest said:
Yes you can, cause I did that and they explained the events along the way

Why would Mitsuki's special and the gaiden still be canon?

They changed a few scenes. Doesn't deserve a new key/profile.
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Gaiden and mitsuki’s special chapter came out before the movie did it not? Also I seriously doubt you’ve kept up with the Boruto anime. Plot hole number one. Karma. Which is literally the mguffin type object in the main arc of the manga. 2 jougan. Anytime that shit pops up, you will be confused. 3 urashiki. He has many arcs in the Boruto anime and you would be wondering where the hell he came from. U could not continue to watch all of boruto from the movie alone. U would need outside context to explain a lot of things
 
We get it already. The flash-forward to Boruto and Kawaki's battle and the Karma did not exist when the movie released.
Anything else? It seems to me that the only differences between the movie's events and the canonical events are things that the main canon added.
At its core, they are essentially one-to-one, yes?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
We get it already. The flash-forward to Boruto and Kawaki's battle and the Karma did not exist when the movie released.
Anything else? It seems to me that the only differences between the movie's events and the canonical events are things that the main canon added.
At its core, they are essentially one-to-one, yes?
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Urashiki Otsutuski, Shinki, the interactions between Boruto and Toneri, Toneri getting sealed, the Jougan/Byakugan, Katasuke being put under a genjutsu by Ao, some of the fights that didn't take place like Urashiki vs the Kage or Shinki vs Boruto and Sarada, Urashiki attacking Gaara, Kaguya being potentially dead. The movie still being included in the official timeline as canon despite the anime already adapting the movie arc.
 
And honestly, the same could be said for the Snyder Cut, the only difference between the JL events and ZSJL events are things that the Snyder Cut added. At its core, they are essentially one-to-one.
 
We have both a Dragon Ball manga page and a Dragon Ball Z anime page for Goku because the anime tell its own stories while adapting the original.
We have Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis and New 52 and Injustice and DCAU pages for Superman because they are all unique iterations of the character.
We are getting anime pages for select Boruto characters because the manga and the anime are separate, and the anime tells a lot of its own stories.

We do not need a new page or a new key for a movie that is essentially identical to the plot of its up-to-date counterparts.
We do not have a page for The Path to Power Goku, so why should we have a page for Boruto: The Movie characters?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
We have both a Dragon Ball manga page and a Dragon Ball Z anime page for Goku because the anime tell its own stories while adapting the original.
We have Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis and New 52 and Injustice and DCAU pages for Superman because they are all unique iterations of the character.
We are getting anime pages for select Boruto characters because the manga and the anime are separate, and the anime tells a lot of its own stories.

We do not need a new page or a new key for a movie that is essentially identical to the plot of its up-to-date counterparts.
We do not have a page for The Path to Power Goku, so why should we have a page for Boruto: The Movie characters?
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You’re still comparing a 1 hour and 35 mins movie to a 14 episodes arc (Almost 5 hours). Even excluding all the arcs before and after the movie arc, there’s enough difference for it to warrant its own profiles. We did it for the Snyder Cut, we sure as hell can do it for this movie. With the anime introducing newer characters that play a big role in the whole story, interactions, and even the events.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Is that the only ******* difference?
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Why we throwing profanity here? And yes, the subplots and new characters make up most of the anime arc, which aren’t present in the movie. Same for the Snyder Cut, which you have yet to debunk.
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The movie is literally just the first chapters of the manga but without the flashforward in #1.
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And without Karma and Byakugan as well.
 
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RanaProGamer said:
Same for the Snyder Cut, which you have yet to debunk.
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Justice LeagueZack Snyder's Justice League
  • Steppenwolf is the main antagonist
  • Steppenwolf attacked Earth thousands of years ago and was then defeated by the combined mythical and mystical forces of the planet
  • Steppenwolf personally attacks and kidnaps S.T.A.R. Labs employees in order to collect the Mother Box they have, and then he proceeds to attack Atlantis and raid them for their Mother Box
  • After Superman is resurrected and goes off to recover his memories, the Justice League head to Russia for their final battle. They defeat a bunch of Parademons, Barry saved a family of Russians, then Superman appears and helps Barry evacuate the citizens before aiding Victor separate the Mother Boxes that Steppenwolf merged together. Finally, they take on Steppenwolf as a team and defeat them, and then the Parademons turn on him and kill him.
  • Darkseid is the overarching main antagonist of the movie, whereas Steppenwolf serves as simply a lackey who gathered up the tools for Darkseid to take over the planet and begin his reign
  • Darkseid is the one who attacked the Earth instead of Steppenwolf
  • Steppenwolf starts off by attacking Atlantis and stealing their Mother Box, defeating Aquaman in the process, and his Parademons kidnap the S.T.A.R. Labs employees. Batman, Wonder Woman, Barry, and Victor rescue the employees but are trapped when the building is flooded, only for Aquaman to save them at the last moment
  • Steppenwolf has a prophetic vision of the Anti-Life Equation, and he relays that information to Darkseid
  • Steppenwolf attacks Silas Stone, Victor's father, and steals his Mother Box, but Silas supercharged the Mother Box so that Victor could detect it before his death
  • After Superman is resurrected and goes off to recover his memories, the Justice League head to Russia for their final battle, like in the original. However, rather than everyone branching off to do their own things, the entire Justice League, including Barry, are on the frontlines battling Steppenwolf and Parademons while Victor attempts to separate the Mother Boxes. Superman appears and then proceeds to stomp Steppenwolf. However, because he did not help Victor, the Unity was formed of the Mother Boxes and began to terraform the planet. In a desperate last attempt to save the day, Barry ran faster than light and traveled into the Speed Force, even interacting with Barry from the Arrowverse where he acquired the name "Flash", and then reversed time in order to give Victor the boost he needed to separate the Mother Boxes. Then, the Justice League themselves kill Steppenwolf and toss his body through a portal and right onto Darkseid's doorstep, and Darkseid vows to obtain the Anti-Life Equation and take over the planet.
  • Later on, Batman has a dream about the near-future -- the Knightmare -- where Darkseid kills Lois Lane, causing Superman to break down emotionally and leaving them mentally susceptible to being controlled by the Anti-Life Equation that he finally acquired. Using Superman, Darkseid took over the planet and caused an apocalypse, and in order to save the planet, Batman begins to form a insurgency to counter the former's regime. Afterwards, he meets Martian Manhunter.

Josstice League and the Snyder Cut both follow the same story beats, but they are built upon fundamentally different plots created by two very tonally different writers. On the other hand, the current manga and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are essentially the same story and the same plot.

EDIT:

Production of Justice League (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Nullflowerblush said:

Josstice League and the Snyder Cut both follow the same story beats, but they are built upon fundamentally different plots created by two very tonally different writers. On the other hand, the current manga and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are essentially the same story and the same plot.
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Ok, fair enough. If the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1 with the same plot, then it's not enough to warrant as a separate continuity. In that case, does this mean that the movie feats can be used for the main canon since the movie/novel is still canon? Especially since both the movie and manga were in the same official timeline?
 
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Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?
 
RanaProGamer said:
Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?
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yes, we can't just ignore the movie
if the feat doesn't contradict the anime/manga then yeah it should scale
 
RanaProGamer said:
Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?
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I'm unfamiliar with how the wiki treats cases like this, with the exception of DB and The Snyder Cut; however, as others have pointed out, those are completely different cases. So I'm honestly not sure how this should be handled within the confines of the rules.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I'm unfamiliar with how the wiki treats cases like this, with the exception of DB and The Snyder Cut; however, as others have pointed out, those are completely different cases. So I'm honestly not sure how this should be handled within the confines of the rules.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help.
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That’s completely fine. Thanks for the reply.
 
RanaProGamer said:
Ok, fair enough. If the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1 with the same plot, then it's not enough to warrant as a separate continuity. In that case, does this mean that the movie feats can be used for the main canon since the movie/novel is still canon? Especially since both the movie and manga were in the same official timeline?
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Thank you. U either pick one, the movie feats and statements are canon to the anime and manga or it’s it’s own continuity. U cannot just ignore canon material.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Do the feats from the movie actually change scaling/ratings at all if you look at them under scrutiny?
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It doesn't change the scaling, only the ratings of the God Tiers. The feats actually become more consistent using the feats from the movie.
 
Is this just another 4-B Momoshiki bit?
You have yet to prove why the movie would be canon to the manga. "The plots are essentially 1:1" is not a very strong argument -- they are two separate media.
 
If the novel is involved then it'd bring NE Rock Lee to 5-C for being stated to have been a good opponent against Momoshiki

And I still fail to see why we'd use the movie additions for the main scaling
 
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