Creating The Naruto/Boruto Movie Profiles

[Arc7Kuroi]

Shrek Momoshiki

I agree

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Same for the Snyder Cut, which you have yet to debunk.

Justice League

Zack Snyder's Justice League

Steppenwolf is the main antagonist Steppenwolf attacked Earth thousands of years ago and was then defeated by the combined mythical and mystical forces of the planet Steppenwolf personally attacks and kidnaps S.T.A.R. Labs employees in order to collect the Mother Box they have, and then he proceeds to attack Atlantis and raid them for their Mother Box After Superman is resurrected and goes off to recover his memories, the Justice League head to Russia for their final battle. They defeat a bunch of Parademons, Barry saved a family of Russians, then Superman appears and helps Barry evacuate the citizens before aiding Victor separate the Mother Boxes that Steppenwolf merged together. Finally, they take on Steppenwolf as a team and defeat them, and then the Parademons turn on him and kill him.

Darkseid is the overarching main antagonist of the movie, whereas Steppenwolf serves as simply a lackey who gathered up the tools for Darkseid to take over the planet and begin his reign Darkseid is the one who attacked the Earth instead of Steppenwolf Steppenwolf starts off by attacking Atlantis and stealing their Mother Box, defeating Aquaman in the process, and his Parademons kidnap the S.T.A.R. Labs employees. Batman, Wonder Woman, Barry, and Victor rescue the employees but are trapped when the building is flooded, only for Aquaman to save them at the last moment Steppenwolf has a prophetic vision of the Anti-Life Equation, and he relays that information to Darkseid Steppenwolf attacks Silas Stone, Victor's father, and steals his Mother Box, but Silas supercharged the Mother Box so that Victor could detect it before his death After Superman is resurrected and goes off to recover his memories, the Justice League head to Russia for their final battle, like in the original. However, rather than everyone branching off to do their own things, the entire Justice League, including Barry, are on the frontlines battling Steppenwolf and Parademons while Victor attempts to separate the Mother Boxes. Superman appears and then proceeds to stomp Steppenwolf. However, because he did not help Victor, the Unity was formed of the Mother Boxes and began to terraform the planet. In a desperate last attempt to save the day, Barry ran faster than light and traveled into the Speed Force, even interacting with Barry from the Arrowverse where he acquired the name "Flash", and then reversed time in order to give Victor the boost he needed to separate the Mother Boxes. Then, the Justice League themselves kill Steppenwolf and toss his body through a portal and right onto Darkseid's doorstep, and Darkseid vows to obtain the Anti-Life Equation and take over the planet. Later on, Batman has a dream about the near-future -- the Knightmare -- where Darkseid kills Lois Lane, causing Superman to break down emotionally and leaving them mentally susceptible to being controlled by the Anti-Life Equation that he finally acquired. Using Superman, Darkseid took over the planet and caused an apocalypse, and in order to save the planet, Batman begins to form a insurgency to counter the former's regime. Afterwards, he meets Martian Manhunter.

Josstice League and the Snyder Cut both follow the same story beats, but they are built upon fundamentally different plots created by two very tonally different writers. On the other hand, the current manga and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are essentially the same story and the same plot.

EDIT:

Production of Justice League (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RanaProGamer]

Josstice League and the Snyder Cut both follow the same story beats, but they are built upon fundamentally different plots created by two very tonally different writers. On the other hand, the current manga and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are essentially the same story and the same plot.

Ok, fair enough. If the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1 with the same plot, then it's not enough to warrant as a separate continuity. In that case, does this mean that the movie feats can be used for the main canon since the movie/novel is still canon? Especially since both the movie and manga were in the same official timeline?

 

[RanaProGamer]

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Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?

 

[Sus]

Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?

yes, we can't just ignore the movie
if the feat doesn't contradict the anime/manga then yeah it should scale

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sorry if I'm tagging multiple people, but it seems that as Nullflower has pointed out, due to the movie and the manga's plot essentially being the same, the movie won't be counted as a separate continuity. Then would you guys be in agreement if the feats for the movie can be used for the main continuity since the movie is still canon as acknowledged by the official timeline?

I'm unfamiliar with how the wiki treats cases like this, with the exception of DB and The Snyder Cut; however, as others have pointed out, those are completely different cases. So I'm honestly not sure how this should be handled within the confines of the rules.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm unfamiliar with how the wiki treats cases like this, with the exception of DB and The Snyder Cut; however, as others have pointed out, those are completely different cases. So I'm honestly not sure how this should be handled within the confines of the rules.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I'm unfamiliar with how the wiki treats cases like this, with the exception of DB and The Snyder Cut; however, as others have pointed out, those are completely different cases. So I'm honestly not sure how this should be handled within the confines of the rules.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help.

That’s completely fine. Thanks for the reply.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bump, if we accept that the movie scales to the main canon, we can close this thread.

 

[sageof8paths]

Ok, fair enough. If the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1 with the same plot, then it's not enough to warrant as a separate continuity. In that case, does this mean that the movie feats can be used for the main canon since the movie/novel is still canon? Especially since both the movie and manga were in the same official timeline?

Thank you. U either pick one, the movie feats and statements are canon to the anime and manga or it’s it’s own continuity. U cannot just ignore canon material.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If the movie and the manga are essentially 1:1 with the same plot, then it's not enough to warrant as a separate continuity.

Battle of Gods and Super.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Do the feats from the movie actually change scaling/ratings at all if you look at them under scrutiny?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Battle of Gods and Super.

?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Do the feats from the movie actually change scaling/ratings at all if you look at them under scrutiny?

It doesn't change the scaling, only the ratings of the God Tiers. The feats actually become more consistent using the feats from the movie.

 

[Sus]

What would it change

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Is this just another 4-B Momoshiki bit?
You have yet to prove why the movie would be canon to the manga. "The plots are essentially 1:1" is not a very strong argument -- they are two separate media.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The feat I think you’re referencing will likely get coccslapped

 

[Nierre]

i still disagree

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The feat I think you’re referencing will likely get coccslapped

Without question.

 

[KingTempest]

If the novel is involved then it'd bring NE Rock Lee to 5-C for being stated to have been a good opponent against Momoshiki

And I still fail to see why we'd use the movie additions for the main scaling

 

[Damage3245]

I've seen so many new users over the years keep trying again and again to upgrade Momoshiki.

 

[KingTempest]

I quote this a lot and imma quote it again

In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Boruto’s rasengan was wind release. In the Manga and Anime, it was Lightning Release.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Boruto beat Shikadai while making 50 clones. The Manga agrees, but in the Anime, Boruto beat Shikadai by throwing a Kunai at the ground and immobilizing him.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Naruto exposed Boruto after he beats Shikadai in the Semi-Finals. The Manga agrees, but in the Anime, Naruto exposes Boruto after he beats Shinki in the finals.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Momoshiki attacked Katasuke head on. In the manga and anime, Kinshiki stomped on the ground and blew everyone on the ground back.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Naruto made 1 thousand clones against Momoshiki and Kinshiki during the chunin exam fight. In the Movie, Manga, and Anime, he gets kicked back and doesn’t do that.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Sasuke fought both Momoshiki and Kinshiki. In every other canon, he only fought Kinshiki.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Sasuke fought Kinshiki with a blade made out of lightning, or a chidori based blade as he said CHIDORI. In every other canon, he used his actual sword with lightning over it.
In the Boruto Movie Novelization, Boruto met Sasuke by trying to sneak attack him. The Manga agrees, but in the Anime, he watches him walk through the door.

It's not even consistent to the canon series. The main canon series takes precedence. Simple.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Is this just another 4-B Momoshiki bit?
You have yet to prove why the movie would be canon to the manga. "The plots are essentially 1:1" is not a very strong argument -- they are two separate media.

Ummm, the official published timeline? And no, its not 4-B

 

[RanaProGamer]

If the novel is involved then it'd bring NE Rock Lee to 5-C for being stated to have been a good opponent against Momoshiki

Wait, how so? We don't do that for the 4 Kages, why would we do that for Rock Lee?

 

[RanaProGamer]

I quote this a lot and imma quote it again
It's not even consistent to the canon series. The main canon series takes precedence. Simple.

You basically proved Nullflower's point here. The overall story is the same, everything you mentioned is minor differences that don't affect the overall story.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I've seen so many new users over the years keep trying again and again to upgrade Momoshiki.

It's not just Momoshiki, though I do get your point.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Even if we accept the novel, I fail to see it changing the ratings.

The supernova feat gets negged by chain reaction. The create a dimension feat either gets negged as ED or gets negged by unknown timeframe.

 

[KingTempest]

Wait, how so? We don't do that for the 4 Kages, why would we do that for Rock Lee?

“You can only release jutsu that you’ve sucked up...right?” He said, “It’s the same trickery as the Scientific Ninja Tool Division’s toy.”

“In that case, we should mainly use Taijutsu and not let you suck up any jutsu.” Darui said.

Gaara continued as he expanded his sand and took control of the air space. “It’s the same as Kaguya, huh.”

In that case, it was a shame they hadn’t brought Rock Lee with them, but, well, it wasn’t bad to show off his taijutsu every now and then.

The four of them were explaining the situation in loud voices so that they could grab Momoshiki’s attention and surround him.

Vexedly, the ogre bit his bottom lip.

This is a whole new canon right?

We don't do that for the Gokage because they have feats/antifeats in earlier series which makes this moot.

So that means the Kage's antifeats aren't antifeats because they don't have a predecessor series that provides the antifeats (the original Naruto) or a series after (Boruto anime).

This would be their only feats, which means that they would be 5-C

You basically proved Nullflower's point here. The overall story is the same, everything you mentioned is minor differences that don't affect the overall story.

The movie doesn't even have certain characters.

Weren't you the one who said this?

Differences Between Movie and Anime/Manga

• The Otsutsuki members:
  • Urashiki Otsutsuki doesn’t exist in the Movie timeline. Due to which:
    • There are no interactions between him and Toneri Otsutsuki. So Toneri never gets sealed.
    • Urashiki reported to Momoshiki and Kinshiki about Kaguya and the Tailed Beast, but in the movie, Momoshiki and Kinshiki gather info by themselves.
    • Urashiki attacks Gaara when Gaara was on his way to Konoha, this doesn’t happen in the movie, this plays a role in the anime as Gaara alerts the Kage when he arrives at Konoha. This is what allowed Gaara and Chōjūrō to fight and be careful about Urashiki’s abilities in the anime. The fight didn’t happen in the movie.
    • Urashiki attacks Mitsuki in the anime, which doesn’t happen in the movie.
    • Urashiki not existing in the movie means that the Time Travel Arc from the anime never happened in the movie timeline.

• Toneri Otsutsuki:
  • No interaction between Urashiki or Boruto in the movie, this is a plot point for the anime, as Toneri warns Boruto about the future and that his eye would guide him, after getting sealed, he has to rely on Boruto to make his own decisions.

• Momoshiki Otsutsuki:
  • Has a different design after eating Kinshiki (though this might not be that big of a difference).
  • In the anime and manga, after losing to Boruto during the Rasengan clash, Momoshiki becomes a spirit and interacts with Boruto, after which he gives Boruto Karma. This doesn’t happen in the movie.
  • Boruto’s use of Karma plays a role in every arc that takes place after the Momoshiki arc. Since this never happens in the movie, the later arcs won’t take place in the movie timeline.
  • This also means that Borushiki (Momoshiki taking over Boruto) never happens in the movie timeline due to his body not being overtaken by Karma, as this was a major plot point in Naruto’s retrieval (Borushiki killed Boro) and after the battle of Isshiki (Sasuke losing his Rinnegan to Borushiki).
  • This also means that the movie doesn’t have the pills that Amado made for Boruto or the Kage Summit in which they discussed Boruto’s situation with Momoshiki and how it should be dealt with, which is only in the manga at the moment, and the inevitable Boruto vs Kawaki fight that happens in the future (Boruto and Kawaki both possessed the Karma) which happens in the manga and anime only.

• Kaguya Otsutsuki:
  • (This is a possibility so don’t take it at face value, but there might be evidence to suggest otherwise) According to the Boruto Movie Novelisation and the Databook that is only canon to the movie. Kaguya is stated to be dead, the only other term used in the battle against Kaguya was that Naruto and Sasuke were ‘victorious’, it was never mentioned that they sealed her (the manga and anime make it clear that Kaguya was sealed). As far as the novel goes, the term died/death/dead and defeated/sealed aren’t interchangeable as the kanji for both words are different.
  • Kanji for death
  • Kanji for defeated

• Boruto Uzumaki:
  • Boruto neither possesses the Byakugan nor the Jougan in the movie. An important eye, that'd determine his fate and "take everything from him". This also plays a role when Boruto gets overtaken by Momoshiki in which only his Byakugan/Jougan eye is active. The Jougan plays a role in the first arc of the anime, indicating that the arc didn’t take place in the movie timeline.

• Kara:
  • In all honesty, Kara might not even exist in this universe, and neither are the Mujina Bandits.
  • In the manga and anime, Katasuke (the scientist responsible for making scientific ninja tools) was put under a genjutsu by a Kara member (Ao), which explains why he did what he did during the Chuunin Exams. In the movie, however, he acted on his own for the sole purpose of advertising his technology.
  • The existence of Kara relies on Karma, which doesn’t exist in the movie timeline, so the interrogation of Shojoji wouldn’t happen as he states that he found Kara in the basement of a building where he saw Karma among other seals in the manga and anime only.
  • No Karma means no Isshiki finding a vessel (Kawaki), so likely no Kawaki in the movie timeline either.
  • No Kawaki means the fight between Boruto and Kawaki in the future doesn’t happen in the movie timeline.

Which is a ridiculous amount of new additions/subtractions that affects the story?

We don't scale movie feats to canon because they are 2 completely different media, unless it's stated that they're canon to each other, which they aren't.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Even if we accept the novel, I fail to see it changing the ratings.

The supernova feat gets negged by chain reaction. The create a dimension feat either gets negged as ED or gets negged by unknown timeframe.

Not the supernova feat either.

 

[Sus]

Can we make profiles then?

 

[RanaProGamer]

This is a whole new canon right?

We don't do that for the Gokage because they have feats/antifeats in earlier series which makes this moot.

So that means the Kage's antifeats aren't antifeats because they don't have a predecessor series that provides the antifeats (the original Naruto) or a series after (Boruto anime).

This would be their only feats, which means that they would be 5-C

Makes sense

The movie doesn't even have certain characters.

Weren't you the one who said this?

Yes, my initial argument, but after the discussion with Null, the arcs that take place before and after the movie arc don't change the fact that the movie arc and manga arc are essentially the same.

Which is a ridiculous amount of new additions/subtractions that affects the story?

We don't scale movie feats to canon because they are 2 completely different media, unless it's stated that they're canon to each other, which they aren't.

Except, the official timeline acknowledges the movie to be canon to the main continuity. The timeline that was published after both the anime and manga already adapted the movie arc.

 

[KingTempest]

So when the movie + novel contradicts events that happen in the story, changes the natures of attacks, mixes up scaling for fodder tier characters, and shows inconsistencies for almost every event plus removing characters and changing personalities, it's equally canon?

That's crazy

 

[RanaProGamer]

So when the movie + novel contradicts events that happen in the story, changes the natures of attacks, mixes up scaling for fodder tier characters, and shows inconsistencies for almost every event plus removing characters and changing personalities, it's equally canon?

That's crazy

So, what you're saying is, they both can be canon, just not canon to each other cuz of some changes?

 

[KingTempest]

So, what you're saying is, they both can be canon, just not canon to each other cuz of some changes?

It could be secondary/tertiary canon, which means the primary canon (manga) takes precedence

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Ummm, the official published timeline?

Do you even know what the timeline is for?
What does the text say exactly?

 

[RanaProGamer]

It could be secondary/tertiary canon, which means the primary canon (manga) takes precedence

Ok, so from what I'm understanding. Movie, manga and anime, all canon. Due to major differences in events and characters, it is acceptable to split the manga and anime. In the case of the movie, due to it contradicting the manga, the movie can't be used for scaling the primary canon. And since the movie follows the same plot as the manga and the anime, it doesn't warrant enough to be its own profile. Did I get that right?

 

[KingTempest]

Ok, so from what I'm understanding. Movie, manga and anime, all canon. Due to major differences in events and characters, it is acceptable to split the manga and anime. In the case of the movie, due to it contradicting the manga, the movie can't be used for scaling the primary canon. And since the movie follows the same plot as the manga and the anime, it doesn't warrant enough to be its own profile. Did I get that right?

Oof
Pretty much

 

[RanaProGamer]

Oof
Pretty much

Ok makes sense, this can be closed then

 

[KingTempest]

Gotcha