Cosmology Revision : Range and Tier upgrade of Tensura characters

[Georredannea15]

And where are those statements? Link the scans

It has been stated that the body is real but looks like a fiction,

As you will see, scan's only reference for R>F is similar to this statement.

But I'm sure that's not enough for R>F.

 

[BreezeHM]

It's on the op

For the last time... there is only one scan and it DOES NOT QUALIFY on its own.

 

[Worthless]

You would need The Universe to hold an uncountably infinite number of universes or is stated of being bigger in size than 2-A structures to the point that even stacking infinities on top of the size of the universe still won't reach it.

If that's what you're looking for, the OP has already explained it. In his explanation, the Great Spiritual World is described as a vast space capable of containing an infinite number of universes, which inherently makes it larger than all the universes it can potentially hold.
Unless I've misinterpreted it.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I don't think God has a QS, in my opinion it only mentions the "omnipotent god". It has been stated that the body is real but looks like a fiction, a bit of a play on words but not a R>F, Although this statement alone is confusing, when combined with what I said before, it turns out that it is actually an "omnipotence". The best case here is 2-A (At least for me)

mentions of "God" doesn't look like 5D to me. This scan here could give you some starting ground, but on its own it doesn't qualify.

I agree about it lacking prominent scans
But to him "Everything In 'The World' like the already Higher dimensional entity like spirit of Time" can be casted aside by just imagining it remember he is also separated From everything else as being the 'Only one' why also part of it
I remember from @Ultima_Reality threads on Qualitative superiority this one depictedly Highlighted

So currently, if a character is above, beyond and superior to the spatial and temporal dimensions of the cosmology of their setting (Superior to dimensionality as a whole, and not simply in a higher dimensionality), they are to be rated as equivalent to a single difference in dimensionality above that. So, for example, if a character is above dimensionality in a cosmology with 4 dimensions, they are to be rated as Low 1-C

If both a being that represents the entire series and everything along with it is just something that can be bypassed with a "Thought" showing that everything was just an extension of itself would inclimate its on a rating of 5D
Also please you can stop replying @DeusExMachine001 i think he is causing a discord here

 

[BreezeHM]

If that's what you're looking for, the OP has already explained it. In his explanation, the Great Spiritual World is described as a vast space capable of containing an infinite number of universes, which inherently makes it larger than all the universes it can potentially hold.
Unless I've misinterpreted it.

2-A since infinity^infinity is still infinity

 

[Georredannea15]

I agree about it lacking prominent scans
But to him "Everything In 'The World' like the already Higher dimensional entity like spirit of Time" can be casted aside by just imagining it remember he is also separated From everything else.
I remember from @Ultima_Reality threads on Qualitative superiority this one depictedly Highlighted

If both a being that represents the entire series and everything along with it is just something that can be bypassed with a "Thought" showing that everything was just an extension of itself would inclimate its on a rating of 5D
Also please you can stop replying @DeusExMachine001 i think he is causing a discord here

This is already qualitative superiority, that is, transcending all physical/spatial and temporal dimensions in the verse, but I have not seen a reference to this, the only reference is R>F, but that alone is insufficient, and when you put the context and statemnts together, it seems that it actually has "omnipotency". So I think more is needed because that's not the reference to R>F.

I hope you understand what I mean

 

[Georredannea15]

2-A since infinity^infinity is still infinity

It's... actually wrong, Infinity^infinity gives you to N+1, but there is no infinity^infinity here.

 

[Worthless]

2-A since infinity^infinity is still infinity

Looking at it that way, I can see why, but considering how it can encompass an infinite number of 4D spaces, wouldn't it be 5D?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

This is already qualitative superiority, that is, transcending all physical/spatial and temporal dimensions in the verse, but I have not seen a reference to this, the only reference is R>F, but that alone is insufficient, and when you put the context and statemnts together, it seems that it actually has "omnipotency". So I think more is needed because that's not the reference to R>F.

I hope you understand what I mean

Well R>F isn't the only means to get higher magnitude.
As long as there's a considerable amount of superiority against said spatial and temporality of the series especially showing it to a true higher dimensional magnitude then depiction of 5D is an agreeable term, the R>F works little the other means works much. Even though i do get what you mean.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Looking at it that way, I can see why, but considering how it can encompass an infinite number of 4D spaces, wouldn't it be 5D?

No, this isn't 5D
Its 2-A, encompassing 4D isn't enough to make you 5D, only when it can encompass infinite number of it, like if there's a space that can encopass an infinte number of 2-A then its 5D not the other was you mentioned

 

[BreezeHM]

It's... actually wrong, Infinity^infinity gives you to N+1, but there is no infinity^infinity here.

That is correct, my mistake

 

[Worthless]

No, this isn't 5D
Its 2-A, encompassing 4D isn't enough to make you 5D, only when it can encompass infinite number of it,

This is literally what I said...

like if there's a space that can encopass an infinte number of 2-A then its 5D not the other was you mentioned

Care to explain the difference between an infinite number of 2A and an infinite number of 2C.

 

[Georredannea15]

No, this isn't 5D
Its 2-A, encompassing 4D isn't enough to make you 5D, only when it can encompass infinite number of it, like if there's a space that can encopass an infinte number of 2-A then its 5D not the other was you mentioned

Infinite number of 2-A is still 4-D or encompass the infinite number of 2-A and being infinitely larger than, it's still 4-D... Most of what you said and put in the OP is still 4-D actually.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Infinite number of 2-A is still 4-D or encompass the infinite number of 2-A and being infinitely larger than, it's still 4-D... Most of what you said and put in the OP is still 4-D actually.

Well go make correction cuz that's how this guys got it

Is My Little Pony Low 1-C? Let's Find Out.

Are you serious??, higher tier is automatically superior to lower tier, that basic thing. What i say is, you don't need to prove qualitative superiority to get to tier 1, that waht i replied to Firestorm. Now do you understand??? Answering doesn't prove this is true. Qualitative superiority is...

vsbattles.com

 

[Georredannea15]

Well go make correction cuz that's how this guys got it

Is My Little Pony Low 1-C? Let's Find Out.

Are you serious??, higher tier is automatically superior to lower tier, that basic thing. What i say is, you don't need to prove qualitative superiority to get to tier 1, that waht i replied to Firestorm. Now do you understand??? Answering doesn't prove this is true. Qualitative superiority is...

vsbattles.com

That's not the case here, there's a lot more than here and it's only "possibly" scaled

 

[Jozaysmith?]

This is literally what I said...

Care to explain the difference between an infinite number of 2A and an infinite number of 2C.

There's an infinte gap between 2-C and 2-A
Qualititative superiority is infinity^infinity not infinity^extremely finite number it will end up being X(infinity)
As they said Qualitative superiority is uncountable number of infinity
Now having a space that can contain infinite infinity makes that space 5D the logic of yours is 2-A and the logic of @Georredannea15 is....

Idk what he's arguing.
Anyways refrain from arguing about 5D for Great spiritual world and work on God being 5D your arguments didnt fit the bill, you're only derailing the thread

 

[Jozaysmith?]

That's not the case here, there's a lot more than here and it's only "possibly" scaled

look man can we skip this **** i totally just said i don't support low 1-C for GSW you're derailing the main topic

 

[Georredannea15]

There's an infinte gap between 2-C and 2-A
Qualititative superiority is infinity^infinity not infinity^extremely finite number it will end up being X(infinity)
As they said Qualitative superiority is uncountable number of infinity
Now having a space that can contain infinite infinity makes that space 5D the logic of yours is 2-A and the logic of @Georredannea15 is....

Idk what he's arguing.
Anyways refrain from arguing about 5D for Great spiritual world and work on God being 5D your arguments didnt fit the bill, you're only derailing the thread

Bruh bro, I don't know what you're saying. I already said my views for the God, i just corrected what you wrote wrong

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Bruh bro, I don't know what you're saying. I already said my views for the God, i just corrected what you wrote wrong

Countered your argument

 

[DeusExMachine001]

For the last time... there is only one scan and it DOES NOT QUALIFY on its own.

It does. The scans in the op is enough for Promised Land to be Low 1-C

 

[Catpija]

The Fan Translation of what?, you mean the one from Volume 21?

And also for Volume 17

Noted. Also I didn't declare promise land to be anything am asking what it could be, dream manip world, acca5? Idk anything at all

There is little to none information about it, so my suggestion is we probably wait for Fuse to explain (hopefully he will)

 

[BreezeHM]

It does. The scans in the op is enough for Promised Land to be Low 1-C

 

[DeusExMachine001]

?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

And also for Volume 17

As long as the feat displayed is super evident then no need.

 

[Fixxed]

Possibly 2A, i just see some vague implicit statement for the infinite space, soo i dont think it can get solid rating. Or even not get possibly rating at all

And no for the low 1C, i dont see any qualitative superiority in "god"

 

[Mizuki67]

Possibly 2A, i just see some vague implicit statement for the infinite space, soo i dont think it can get solid rating. Or even not get possibly rating at all

And no for the low 1C, i dont see any qualitative superiority in "god"

Ehh It might be just you guys. I can see low 1c though and i do not have problems with it but let's wait for staffs. Also I don't see why you need that possibly rating

 

[Fixxed]

Ehh It might be just you guys. I can see low 1c though and i do not have problems with it but let's wait for staffs

Then explain

 

[Mizuki67]

Then explain

God treats its own cosmology as its own play thing and it was stated that it doesn't have a flaw in their existence. God is stated to be all in one which is superior to anything

 

[Mizuki67]

Jokes aside, I feel like we need to wait for at least the fan translation here for bunch of the scans, but thats just me. Anyway, leaving that aside.

• Higher Dimensional Manipulation

It was renamed to Dimensional Manipulation, but whatever. You don't actually get this ability by creating higher dimensional object, but rather manipulating the dimensional axis of it (sorta). It is more similar to changing someone dimensionality, their dimensional position, etc.

For the rest, I would rather wait for the fan translation to come out (2). I could see that 2-A could work on the premise that the space between universes is infinite compared to the inhibiting universes. Low 1-C could probably work by the logic that the creator trascended/surpassed all of it creation and was everything before he gave up his omnipotence. The Promised Land is very vague, so I won't comment on it (for now).

It is like what catpija mentioned the creator surpassed and transcended everything in the verse. You guys can disagree all you want but let the staffs decide

 

[Mizuki67]

Infinite number of 2-A is still 4-D or encompass the infinite number of 2-A and being infinitely larger than, it's still 4-D... Most of what you said and put in the OP is still 4-D actually.

I will disagree with you since mgk and kh got 6d the same way. There is no such thing as 2A+

 

[Fixxed]

God treats its own cosmology as its own play thing and it was stated that it doesn't have a flaw in their existence. God is stated to be all in one which is superior to anything

Yeah not a qualitative superiority proof, you need to have beyond infinity superiority

It is like what catpija mentioned the creator surpassed and transcended everything in the verse. You guys can disagree all you want but let the staffs decide

And what he say about low 1C is not enough for qualitative superiority

I will disagree with you since mgk got 6d the same way

Different verse different context. Mgf have some microcosm or mircospace statement and slime????

 

[Georredannea15]

I will disagree with you since mgk got 6d the same way

And... it was downgraded (it was downgraded for a different reason, but its Low 1-C grade would still be downgraded). The standards changed and other verses, including MGK, will not be tier 1 in this way anymore.

I would prefer you to take a look at the page.

But let me leave a quote for you anyway;

Well, depends on whether you can use the universes as measuring sticks for distances in the depiction or not.
Usually, you can not, because they are depicted as floating bubbles or lines or whatever which don't really depict proper size, and in that case I would say no to all of them. If you can use them in a way to measure the size of the 5D space to prove it's significantly large, then you could get somewhere. But... yeah, depicting 5D space in a way that conserves size is just pretty hard.

Space being infinite in itself doesn't matter, as space at that level is infinite in some sense anyway. You would need to be told that either specifically its 5 dimensional volume is infinite or that specifically the 5th dimensional axis (the one you add to the standard timelines) is infinite (or very large) for that to work. But I figure if you have information that specific then you wouldn't need this thread. In general, infinite could mean infinite by 3D or 4D standards, or in the sense of countably infinite times larger than a spacetime continuum, so that is just not enough.

And of course, countable x countable = countable, so infinite infinite multiverse structures do nothing to enhance 2-A.

As for whether above baseline 2-A exists: In a fiction it's plausible. I can absolutely see that some fiction would write that a character destroying 1 infinite multiverse is weaker than a character destroying that and another 1000 infinite multiverses. However, we factually know that in reality there is no real difference between the number of universes destroyed. It's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... and 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... are the same amount of numbers, but the latter list contains 0 and hence clearly "one more". Things can be larger in some sense, without being larger in a way that registers for the tiering system.
Busting more multiverses in itself is no greater feat at all for a start, but some fictions will explicitly insist that there are power differences (Like, being 2x as strong as a 2-A character). In that case, you can have 2-A Character A and have a Character B that is stated to be much stronger, but B would still be 2-A. Given that the difference isn't objective one could debate whether it holds any value when comparing it to ratings of different fictions... I think by precedence we assume it does.
But yeah, the main point is any 2-A feat will be equal, you can at best have scaling chains to get higher and, if you do, those won't get you Tier 1.

That's why DMC and KH got nuked and Ben 10 is getting nuked too. (Basically verses that gain tier 1 this way.)
As you see, even if you see such 2-A or Low 2-C structures as small structures, bubbles or lines, they are still not enough for tier 1. Standards have become stricter

 

[Fixxed]

No, this isn't 5D
Its 2-A, encompassing 4D isn't enough to make you 5D, only when it can encompass infinite number of it, like if there's a space that can encopass an infinte number of 2-A then its 5D not the other was you mentioned

If you have big space that contain infinite number of 2A (not just infinite number of universe), yeah you can have low 1C. But you not have that in here

 

[Mizuki67]

And... it was downgraded (it was downgraded for a different reason, but its Low 1-C grade would still be downgraded). The standards changed and other verses, including MGK, will not be tier 1 in this way anymore.

I would prefer you to take a look at the page.

But let me leave a quote for you anyway;

That's why DMC and KH got nuked and Ben 10 is getting nuked too. (Basically verses that gain tier 1 this way.)
As you see, even if you see such 2-A or Low 2-C structures as small structures, bubbles or lines, they are still not enough for tier 1. Standards have become stricter

Can ik the reason why God of war get their low 1c again. I have no knowledge about the verse. You guys didn't take the transcended space time statement seriously didn't you ?

 

[Georredannea15]

If you have big space that contain infinite number of 2A (not just infinite number of universe), yeah you can have low 1C. But you not have that in here

It's also wrong btw;

No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless uncountably infinite many, won't scale above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually have the same size as a baseline 2-A structure.

And this;

And of course, countable x countable = countable, so infinite infinite multiverse structures do nothing to enhance 2-A.

As for whether above baseline 2-A exists: In a fiction it's plausible. I can absolutely see that some fiction would write that a character destroying 1 infinite multiverse is weaker than a character destroying that and another 1000 infinite multiverses. However, we factually know that in reality there is no real difference between the number of universes destroyed. It's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... and 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... are the same amount of numbers, but the latter list contains 0 and hence clearly "one more". Things can be larger in some sense, without being larger in a way that registers for the tiering system.

So... it's still 2-A, even if you're infinitely bigger than that, it's still 2-A. This is already explained very clearly in the previous staff thread. So there's no point in going back and forth

 

[Fixxed]

Can ik the reason why God of war get their low 1c again. I have no knowledge about the verse. You guys didn't take the transcended space time seriously didn't you ?

I dont know why you keep brought other verse that have other context for this. GoW have completely different context and reason of low 1C

 

[rainheart]

If you have big space that contain infinite number of 2A (not just infinite number of universe), yeah you can have low 1C. But you not have that in here

Yes,the only thing prilly can get 5D is Imaginary world,its does sayd can filled 10.000 X world but we cant just sayd it can contain/ecompassed infinite world... But if in case it can yes it would be l1c.. as the imaginary space beeing the smallest infinity ecompassed another infinite and its infinitesimal in comparation..

 

[Georredannea15]

Can ik the reason why God of war get their low 1c again. I have no knowledge about the verse. You guys didn't take the transcended space time seriously didn't you ?

GoW isn't the main topic here, but to explain, the reason GoW is Low 1-C is because each branch of Yggdrasil extends infinitely in the 5th axis i.e. the 5th dimensional volume. So, yggdrasil's 5 dimensional volume is infinite and it's mean Low 1-C.


So, this is about "the axis where the universes do not intersect", it is a bit complicated and long to explain, and frankly, I think we are one of the rare verses that are Low 1-C in this way.

 

[Mizuki67]

I dont know why you keep brought other verse that have other context for this. GoW have completely different context and reason of low 1C

I am just making sure

 

[Fixxed]

It's also wrong btw;

And this;

So... it's still 2-A, even if you're infinitely bigger than that, it's still 2-A. This is already explained very clearly in the previous staff thread. So there's no point in going back and forth

Qaw have to disagree with you

Yeah of course infinitely 2As is not low 1C, i say about the bigger space that contain it. Qaw literally say it low 1C