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The HOTU is currently High 1-B.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
It could be 1-A considering it is a direct fragment of TOAA's power and Eternity even states that Thanos "Became everything which the Almighty was".
he is only high 1-B becuase of powerscaling to Lt right?
 
It is currently High 1-B by scaling from the LT, yes, but Matthew is correct that it might be higher. We do not know either way though.
 
They would be At least Low 2-C scaling from the Beyonder who was the God of his own universe, and Kubik stomped Beyonder.
 
I don't think so. Molecule Man even after words was stated to be one of the most powerful forces in the Omniverse ( Obviously not to a 1-A level... Have to find that scan, it's in my respect thread somewhere.... ) ... Kubik, who was stated to be on levels unimaginable to Beyonder , wouldn't dare fight Molecule Man . So them being Universal+ is a lowball due to just that form of scaling .
 
The Shaper also died from recreating just a single universe, and Kosmos was stated as being capable of reversing the Crunch to collapse the universe, but not anything more.
 
I do not remember Kubik holding the universe in his hand.
 
Despite his words, Kubik was merely holding the counterpart of Earth that the Beyonder fell down to.
 
No, it clearly looks like a planet, and the Beyonder was shown falling down to it.
 
Uh, sorry for appearing out of sudden, but didn't the Beyonder fell to it after Kubik was restrained and threw the sphere in the ground? And the sequence of the panels clearly implies it was the whole universe as The Beyonder (The Universe) dissapeared out of nothing while Kubik was holding the sphere, and only appeared after he "threw away" the sphere
 
Kubik was talking metaphorically. The visual evidence clearly shows the Beyonder falling down towards the fake Earth that he had created.
 
Anyway, this discussion is going around in circles, so I will close it now.

The 2nd Existential Seed and LuckyCharmingStar are still under their previous restrictions to stop creating or worsening these types of threads, as they are extremely tiresome and annoying for me to constantly have to deal with.
 
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