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Conversion Beamer problem
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Could we get a good result from Melta-Guns or would the Gauss Rifles be the best choice?
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Melta-Guns, at least in the Space Marine game, can vaporize Chaos Space Marines. But I imagine that doesn't get to much passed 9-A. Also has some lore statements of vaporizing tanks.
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Yes, well, the thing I posted with the feats is still there if anyone wants to search it. Currently I plan on reading it myself at some point but y'know, if anyone else wants to pick up the slack while I'm dealing with burnout, they're free to do so.
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I mean I guess we have the Plasma Pistol feat to scale Termies from but aside from that, nothing really needs to be changed. I feel like there HAS to be better feats to scale them from, but so far I've seen none, so I guess I'll have to take up reading some of this stuff once more.
That thing about Terminator Custodes sounds about right, and of course Dreadnought Custodes would be even tougher. No clue how a Marine Dread and a Custodes Termie would scale tho, if at all, between each other.
That thing about Terminator Custodes sounds about right, and of course Dreadnought Custodes would be even tougher. No clue how a Marine Dread and a Custodes Termie would scale tho, if at all, between each other.
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If no one has any objections, I believe it's time to close this thread now.
Every Terminator grade character (barring Custodes Terminators) will be reduced to the High 8-C plasma feat for lack of a better one, and 8-C seems to stay for now.
Every Terminator grade character (barring Custodes Terminators) will be reduced to the High 8-C plasma feat for lack of a better one, and 8-C seems to stay for now.
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Seems fine to me
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Alright, sorry for opening this again guys, but I just realized everyone with Terminator hurting weaponry should scale to the 8-B feat of Primaris Marines (Termies are still > Primaris) and just wanted to give everyone a heads up that that is what they're being changed to now.
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I kind of have a problem with that too. He assumes that the meteor speed description is literal because they lit on fire. Pretty sure a space marine would catch on fire before reaching meteor speed. Not sure though, I'm probably wrong but might as well be skeptical
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Well as pointed out by the Perpetual in the comments below, they're described as resembling a meteor consistently enough to warrant it.
But regardless, that doesn't really matter since the high end of the atmosheric speed is the accepted one.
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I only saw one excerpt that specifically described the drop as meteor like. Of course theres probably more sources but still. And the only characteristic they share with meteors is that they light on fire. The text even mentions them accelerating much less at terminal velocity.
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You don't need to go at reentry speed to light on fire from atmospheric friction.
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One piece of text has them described as falling from high orbit (which for an Earth-like planet is at least 35768 kilometers high) and another has the descent described as taking minutes.
Taking the low end re-entry speed of 8km/s, and dividing the high orbit value by it, you get a trip of roughly 4471 seconds, which is nearly 74 and a half minutes. So in other words, even atmospheric speed is an INSANE LOWBALL here, as I am fairly certain descending for minutes would not be described the same as descending from an entire hour and a quarter.
But let's try and make the time scale a bit more reasonable. Some of the text refers to them descending from the very edge of the atmosphere instead. Let's take this as the exosphere. The very edge of that is 10000 kilometers.
Again, dividing that by re-entry speed, and you got 1250 seconds, or just about 21 minutes.
I think this is clearly acceptable when there's such an obvious lowball going on here, because I'm fairly certain when they're referring to "minutes" in the text, they clearly mean single digits and not a nice casual descent.
Taking the low end re-entry speed of 8km/s, and dividing the high orbit value by it, you get a trip of roughly 4471 seconds, which is nearly 74 and a half minutes. So in other words, even atmospheric speed is an INSANE LOWBALL here, as I am fairly certain descending for minutes would not be described the same as descending from an entire hour and a quarter.
But let's try and make the time scale a bit more reasonable. Some of the text refers to them descending from the very edge of the atmosphere instead. Let's take this as the exosphere. The very edge of that is 10000 kilometers.
Again, dividing that by re-entry speed, and you got 1250 seconds, or just about 21 minutes.
I think this is clearly acceptable when there's such an obvious lowball going on here, because I'm fairly certain when they're referring to "minutes" in the text, they clearly mean single digits and not a nice casual descent.
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Well apparently nasa puts [the official edge of space at 50 miles]. It's not from the nasa website but it is from the noaa website, which is just as credible. Also there is significantly less drag in the upper parts of the atmosphere than, say, a single mile up.
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Dude I just said that from where they're purported to fall, the speed we use already is an insane lowball and that's simple maths.
Fairly certain when the text describes a minutes long descent, it's not saying it's taking a third of an hour to an hour and a quarter. That'd just be ludicrous. No offense but you're really kind of unnecessarily stretching right now.
Fairly certain when the text describes a minutes long descent, it's not saying it's taking a third of an hour to an hour and a quarter. That'd just be ludicrous. No offense but you're really kind of unnecessarily stretching right now.
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I know you're saying that's from where they're purported to fall, you were talking about the edge of space. You put it all the way at 10,000 km up, of course you're going to get a really long time. If we use nasa's definition with 50 miles, let's see how fast you'd have to go to make the jump in, say, 8 minutes. Really simple math, i won't even account for falling extremely fast at less dense parts of the atmosphere and then decaying back to terminal velocity as the atmosphere gets denser, which would shorten the time even more. 60 divided by 8 is 7.5. 7.5 times 50 is 375. 375 miles per hour. For a normal dude, 200 mph is terminal velocity. I don't doubt that a space marine could reach 375 mph without reaching terminal velocity. Even if they can't, they would cover significantly more distance at the mid-beginning of the jump since the air isn't nearly as dense. Now honestly I think 50 miles is quite low, it should at least be at the karman line maybe 100 km up. But the karman line is 62 miles up, only 12 more than 50. Wouldn't make a difference big enough to change tiers either way.
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Except the other option is them falling from high orbit, which again, is somewhere over 35000 kilometers above the planetary surface, which makes the "edge of the atmosphere" make more sense as the exosphere rather than the Karman Line.
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I guess they do jump off beyond the karman line. It's described in the text that he is able to fall for minutes before even reaching the karman line. So I guess you're right, they could be moving extremely fast for a few minutes. At the karman line however, their speed would slow down VERY abruptly. The text even describes how he stops accelerating and settles at terminal velocity.
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