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Continuation Steven Universe Revision

Weekly you realize you're insinuating that whenever anyone does anything that can be generalized to more than one verse they should feel obligated to read the whole site right?

When I evaluate something I am going to evaluate in the context of the verse and what is presented. Don't give **** about "uwu random verse i don't know does it different and yet you don't instantly post this stuff there ƒñöƒñöƒñö", if that other verse got it accepted it's far better to maybe post the arguments that got it accepted there rather than "this should be accepted because it is".

Legit last post for the night.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
No no, not merging with another. I mean like to slay a foe, as in, an actual attack, they turn them into energy.
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Amethyst grows in size to become her wrestling persona "Purple Puma" in Tiger Millionaire and several times Garnet increased the size of her gauntlets to put more power behind them.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Bambu Mass Energy Conversion isnt something that you use as an offensive ability, thats not how it works
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It can be. Fusionism is not basis for an upgrade to AP.
 
@Manx Not quite. I mean turning foes to energy, as in, utilizing mass-energy in an offensive way. Not Size Manipulation
 
Before we go off about Mass-Energy, I'd like to see scans proving that image to be the projection of an explosion.

Even then 6-B seems hardly consistent with what we actually see in the show if all we have is Mass-Energy and a one-off event from a comic.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Bambu Mass energy conversion is not just turning your foes into energy, you do know that right?
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Of course not. However that would provide evidence of it being an actual offensive capability rather than just changing their form.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Of course not. However that would provide evidence of it being an actual offensive capability rather than just changing their form.
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Making themselves stronger and surviving the energy used to make the mass of their bodies is an AP and Durabiltiy feat respectively
 
>it's explicitly called a warp

>a tractor beam which has stayed in place for thousands of years; explaining why the clouds wouldn't be intersecting with it

>not an explosion, but calced as if it was one
 
Except it hasnt been active for that long and the clouds around it are far further than the beam itself.

Then calc the clouds it parted instead, would that make you happy?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Then calc the clouds it parted instead, would that make you happy?
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Then divide it by something odd thousand years worth of seconds that it was there.

Also the warp prototype and the gem warships are two different things.
 
It wasnt active for thousands of years, it just existed for that long

Yes youre right, the warp prototype is a vastly, vastly inferior ship not meant for combat whereas the warship is modern and made for combat. A modern Warship >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 6000+ year old transport ship
 
Actually no, you wouldnt divide you'd multiply it by 6000 years seeing as by your argument it would be giving off that much energy for that long without stopping
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It wasnt active for thousands of years, it just existed for that long
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No, it only started malfunctioning as of recently; it had been there for thousands of years.

Also assuming it split the clouds rather than reversing the gravity for them with an ability unrelated to AP.
 
Keep in mind we're talking about one comic book feat and mass-energy versus everything else shown in the show.
 
Cool so multiply the AP you get from that feat by a bare minimum of 6000 years as it would be giving off that much energy for that long without stopping

Show where it was done via gravity
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Cool so multiply the AP you get from that feat by a bare minimum of 6000 years as it would be giving off that much energy for that long without stopping
Show where it was done via gravity
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That's... not how power generators work.

I'll do you one better, show when it was done in the first place.

Because the feat isn't ever shown, the clouds are like that to begin with.

Also the entire premise of the comic is gravity being reversed around beach city.
 
That is how power generators work my guy, we measure power in the amount of energy given off every second, the amount of energy given off every second would be equal to the amount used to punch a hole in that cloud x 6000

Look at literally the second scan and then show me where your assumption that its anything other than AP is shown to be true anywhere. I even gave you the entire comic so it should be easy if you think it was stated or shown anywhere else in there to have happened via something other than AP.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
That is how power generators work my guy, we measure power in the amount of energy given off every second, the amount of energy given off every second would be equal to the amount used to punch a hole in that cloud x 6000
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So, it gives off the energy per second that it would need to do something it did spread over time.

That makes no sense.

It would use the energy needed to perform that feat spread over a large time.

>Look at literally the second scan and then show me where your assumption that its anything other than AP is shown to be true anywhere. I even gave you the entire comic so it should be easy if you think it was stated or shown anywhere else in there to have happened via something other than AP.

The comic's name:

Steven Universe: Anti-Gravity

It's manipulating gravity, not blasting apart clouds with pure AP.

Even then, agan, you have no timeframe and the thing has been around for millenia.

Seriously, it isn't a usable AP feat.
 
It didnt do it over time though it was instant as shown from the second scan which i can tell you didnt look at.

Youre seriously using the title as an argument...Dargoo cmon youre better than this

There is an shown timeframe its instant look at the second scan i gave you where the ship punched holes through the clouds 6000 years ago before the rebellion
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It didnt do it over time though it was instant as shown from the second scan which i can tell you didnt look at.
Youre seriously using the title as an argument...Dargoo cmon youre better than this

There is an shown timeframe its instant look at the second scan i gave you where the ship punched holes through the clouds 6000 years ago before the rebellion
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They found the clouds like that.The actual feat isn't shown. I can't say anything else at this point than for third parties looking at this debate to just read the comic.

It's the premise of the comic. Anti-Gravity. The title was supposed to show how obvious that was from the get-go.

There is no timeframe for those ships either. Clouds move on their own. If there is an anti-grav field smack dab in the middle of the air, maybe they just naturally moved around it rather than the non-combat transport tool using biblical levels of energy to move clouds?

And I'll say again, we're arguing circles on the validity of a one-off comic feat that isn't supported in the show itself outside of mass-energy extrapolation. I hope it's clear Tier 6 isn't that consistent anymore.
 
Proof that they somehow found clouds with perfectly circular holes in them before the warps were used?

Dargoo by your logic the Gem Warship should be 4-C via being superior to a ship titled the Sun Incinerator.

The Warps arent anti-gravity fields. It makes zero sense for them to be anti-gravity given that an anti-gravity field would have zero effect on a Gem and would be useless as a means of transportation. Its much, much more logical to think that the big lasers punched holes in the clouds rather than the gems waiting for perfectly round holes to appear in clouds to fire through.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Proof that they somehow found clouds with perfectly circular holes in them before the warps were used?
Dargoo by your logic the Gem Warship should be 4-C via being superior to a ship titled the Sun Incinerator.

The Warps arent anti-gravity fields. It makes zero sense for them to be anti-gravity given that an anti-gravity field would have zero effect on a Gem and would be useless as a means of transportation. Its much, much more logical to think that the big lasers punched holes in the clouds rather than the gems waiting for perfectly round holes to appear in clouds to fire through.
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The clouds naturally moved around them.

False Equivalency. The episode is called Anti-Grav, the tool is moving people/objects in the air repeatedly, and is explained as such multiple times. I don't know why I have to explain this.

That's a proto-warp used to transport materials, actually. You can see them bubbling gems and sending them up the anti-grav fields. They clearly don't work the same as the modern warp pads.

>much more logical to think that they punched holes in clouds

What's more simple, that clouds naturally moved around them, or the beams used massive amounts of energy to move clouds around. It's a rherorical question. We have no timeframe, so we make the least assumptions. Option A.
 
We're going to continue arguing circles in this.

The feat clearly isn't what the calc made it out to be (an explosion), and should be rejected and removed from the profiles.

We have no timeframe assuming it moved the clouds so we can't calc that.

The feat is invalid. If tier 6 is as consistent as you claim it is, find me another more clear feat (Outside of Mass-Energy). It should be easy.
 
I talked with Bambu, who approved the calc, and it's confirmed that it isn't usable anymore.
 
My dude, saying that its gravity based is absurd. Gems arent affected by gravity, using gravity to travel would be completely and totally useless.

It is more simple to think that the warp punched a hole in the cloud rather than assume that the Gems, who have existed for tens of thousands of years, made a mode of transportation that they cannot use in any way which creates gravity fields which are never shown and take thousands of years to do so.

Youre using so many strawmans and nonsensical assumptions that its honestly laughable
 
WeeklyBattles said:
My dude, saying that its gravity based is absurd. Gems arent affected by gravity, using gravity to travel would be completely and totally useless.
It is more simple to think that the warp punched a hole in the cloud rather than assume that the Gems, who have existed for tens of thousands of years, made a mode of transportation that they cannot use in any way which creates gravity fields which are never shown and take thousands of years to do so.

Youre using so many strawmans and nonsensical assumptions that its honestly laughable
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The gemstones are. They have a picture showing that the gems would be transfered poofed state up the tractor beam.

I think it's more simple that the clouds moved like they naturally moved then them being moved by an outside force when we have no confirmation/showing the actual feat.

Throwing arround fallacies doesn't make your arguments any better. Also, you're the one that suggested the beam was an explosion, so I doubt I'm the one making "nonsensical assumptions".

We've gone full circle with this discussion; I'll let thrid parties look over it and make descisions.

The bottom line is:

  • The explosion feat is invalidated and needs to be removed.
  • You now have no supporting feats for Tier 6 other than Mass-Energy which can't be used reliably without support.
  • You have no timeframe for a supposed feat you think is still there; therefore it can't be calced.
I feel like Tier 6 makes little sense now, and rest my case.
 
Cool, what you think is wrong and directly contradicted by everything we know about the physiology of Gems regarding how they interact with gravity and in zero-gravity scenarios. The Warps have never once shown to be anti-gravity and them being anti-gravity would make them the most useless and detrimental piece of technology in Gem history as Gems wouldnt be able to use it.

It parted clouds in the comic. Prove that it was done via gravity. Prove it wasnt done instantly. Prove that it was somehow done over thousands of years.

The bottom line is:

  • Its not an explosion, its a cloud parting feat.
  • We have dozens of feats supporting tier 6 and nothing contradicts Mass-Energy other than bias and personal preference
  • The feat was shown to have happened instantly
Tier 6 SU is more consistent than 90% of the verses on this site. Lets continue, ive got all night
 
I feel like I've given the evidence I need for my points and that arguing more is a waste of time.

If you still disagree I can't say much to convince you, and think that a third party evaluating our discussions would help.

If people disagree with me and agree with you that's fine.
 
@Cal That Gems for some reason decided to use gravity based technology as transport despite them passively adapting to resist gravity which would make said technology useless

And that Mass Energy conversion for Gems is inconsistent despite it being stated throughout the series that Gems exist because of Mass Energy conversion
 
@Weekly

It's shown and explained that the gems are in their stone when being transported.

We aren't saying the Mass-Energy isn't supported. We're saying the results of said Mass Energy makes no sense given other feats and isn't consistent with actual shows of power.
 
@Dargoo Then please do give feats that imply theyre inconsistent otherwise youre just arguing that lower feats make higher feats outliers when the higher feats are vastly more consistent.
 
The Burden of Proof is on you, Weekly.

I need to see more than two Tier 6 feats before I can start offering stuff that counters that.

I've asked multiple times to provide feats outside of Mass Energy and the Gravity Beam and have received nothing.
 
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