Continuation Steven Universe Revision

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, Mass-Energy translates to attack potency

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I don't think you guys ever reached a conclusion, Antoniofer thinks it shouldn't be used, Weekly thinks it should, and the best opinion I can honestly give right now is "idk lol".

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yes, Mass-Energy translates to attack potency

Not always. In this case I doubt it severely.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why doubt it? Its shown constantly throughout the series to increase their power with more mass

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There are more feats of combat M-E conversion than series like Gurren Lagann (Verse) which basically just uses it to make weapons

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Gurren Lagann doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about.

 

[Antoniofer]

Increasing the AP by increasing the mass is common in fiction, is basic physics, practically always has nothing to do with e-m convertion.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It does though? Gurren Lagann is another verse that heavily relies on Mass-Energy conversion for feats

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio In this case it does as they increase mass by converting energy into mass

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Just like the Aquamarine stuff, just because another verse does it, it doesn't mean every verse does it; the stats for that verse might very well be inacurate, or there might be some differences between the two, so its better to judge each verse on its own; most things on this wiki are case by case.

 

[Antoniofer]

The most basic is that they increase mass cuz they shapeshift into becoming bigger, literally any sizeshifter can do that, it do not necessary support anything.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, one thing Matt brought up in the other thread is that the Mass-Energy is also a durability feat, because their Gems can survive the process, or something like that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes but not every shapeshifter explicitly uses Mass energy conversion to shapeshift like Gems do

 

[Antoniofer]

Well, one thing Matt brought up in the other thread is that the Mass-Energy is also a durability feat, because their Gems can survive the process, or something like that.

As I said, shapeshifting is not a harmful power, it requires control not power (although most gems control it naturally well). And as for reforming, no one tank nothinh since there's no body to begin with.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Bumping to see if Bambu's done that calc yet.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Doesn't seem like it scales to AP. Not much a point in doing it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It does scale to AP my guy

 

[Mr. Bambu]

How does their method of shapeshifting translate to AP far above what they currently have

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because its how they attack, the bodies they create and use to fight are made via mass-energy conversion

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Seriously tho, if in SU, bigger = more AP (like the wrestler form example for Amy or the big gauntlets example for Estelle), how come the Gems can defeat giant monsters without having to grow bigger themselves (or change their size at all for that matter)?

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Also, we need to calc how powerful that Diamond Mech is. Definetly into High 6-A range just from scaling that Obsidian>Alexandrite and Obsidian=<Mech

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Also, we need to calc how powerful that Diamond Mech is. Definetly into High 6-A range just from scaling that Obsidian>Alexandrite and Obsidian=<Mech

One of YD's feats is damaging her ship, that can take attacks from the cluster and match it in power


Obsidian damaged both the arms and the main body of the warship, so High 6-A is the only thing we have

 

[Antoniofer]

Yeah, there's no AP to calculate, I could calculate the Mech stomp with my pc is out of service and pixel scaling in SU is a pain.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How about calc the KE of the mech dropping from space to earth nigh instantly?

They actually did do consistent size regarding the mech in obsidian scene

 

[Antoniofer]

At speeds faster than light? That is a no-no.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It wasn't at FTL speeds, it is visibly far less than that

 

[Antoniofer]

Only thing visible was a shiny point, we can't determinate distance from that. Aside, few of us still have issues with angsize.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll calc it then

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Seriously tho, if in SU, bigger = more AP (like the wrestler form example for Amy or the big gauntlets example for Estelle), how come the Gems can defeat giant monsters without having to grow bigger themselves (or change their size at all for that matter)?

I like how my question was totally ignored; very nice.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Question: what is the calc for?

If it is for Obsidian, I hardly doubt it would came even close to High 6-A

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Aiden Its for the lifting strength for Sunstone

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Aiden Its for the lifting strength for Sunstone

Then what does that have ti do with the KE of the ship?

Just calculate the weight

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bit feat

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I like how my question was totally ignored; very nice.

I don't think is THAT strict though


While Big can mean stronger, is doesn't "smaller is weaker" neccesarily

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So nobody has any idea how the size = AP really works because the show doesn't care about being consistent about it? Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Honestly, I hate when shows do that. Being bigger means you're stronger, except when it just doesn't for no reason.

 

[Antoniofer]

Size/AP in the verse works as any other verse, naturally increasing the size will increase the AP. Being bigger do not make someone necesary stronger, although using e-m convertion would explicitaly makes someone big stronger than someone small (assuming both use the same principle).

Anyway, most people here disagree with the e-m convertion being used.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No they really dont. Its being used until someone gives an actual reason as to why it shouldnt and makes a CRT to change all other verses that use M-E conversion in an identical way because there are far more notable verses here with far less stuff backing it up that allow it with no one complaining.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

M-E when used offensively is AP. That's a real thing. Using it to shapeshift and when so inconsistent with other values is not because they literally aren't using it to attack anything, just to be bigger.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They use it to attack constantly, hell they use it just to exist which in and of itself is a durability feat, and its perfectly consistent with the values in the verse.

If you dont want to do it then i will.