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Continuation Steven Universe Revision

Feel free to make a CRT. But I do not believe turning themselves into energy warrants an allowance of literally Tier 5.
 
Theyre not going to get anywhere near tier 5, ive already calced some of the larger gem mutants and they dont go above High 6-B

And funny you say that because Gurren Lagann's only 5-A feat is via mass energy, specifically Arc-Gurren Lagan

Im not making a CRT to remove something that i agree with using. If you disagree with it then you guys need to make the CRT.
 
Tier 6 Steven Universe is being called out as an outlier?

I thought Christmas was a month ago.

Agree with practically everything on the OP.
 
Weekly you complain that people aren't instantly seeking out each and every verse to CRT because something is being contested. What they're saying is for you to just do it yourself since people don't feel like searching for every verse where something like that happens.

Rather than exaining why this should scale, you attempt to divert by bringing other verses into the matter. People don't give a shit about those, they may or may not have their own explanations but if they don't then they can be taken care of later. What is being contested here is ME conversion for Steven Universe, not for Gurren Lagaan or random verse with tractor beam.

If you wish to appeal to these verses a far more productive way of doing so would be to copy the arguments that let them scale.
 
Yeah? Not over High 6-B?

An average jeep weighs 4033 pounds, or 1829.34 kg. Plugging into E=mc^2, we get 39.30 Gigatons of TNT, Island level.

A skyscraper, something a fair amount smaller than this guy I'd say, is 222,500 tons, or 201848605 kg. Plugging that in we get 4.34 Petatons of TNT, Continent level+. Literally a hair's width from High 6-A. And that's including immense hollowness.
 
I mean, I agree with it being an outlier.

Steven Universe power ratings are inconsistent as heck in the show itself; of course there's going to be feats that fall far outside of what is normally shown.

Like, take out the tractor beam, which I think I even discussed with Weekly not even being an explosion, and the ship KE feat, and all you have is Mass-Energy inflation of stats.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
I mean, they do have High 6-A feats so I mean, not really an outlier.
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Outlierness isn't the point. The point is that it isn't combat applicable if it is just shaping their body.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo tier 6 SU is more consistent than the majority of verses on this wiki
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From what I know, there's only three feats that came out as Tier 6

A) The tractor beam which you actually agreed with me on PM wasn't an explosion/an AP feat. You actually just put me on hold at the end and failed to explain how that translates to AP scaling.

B) The ship KE feat, which is just silly in my opinion. Nothing slowed down that ship but the earth's atmosphere, and it didn't even break the statue of Obsidian when it slammed into the earth.

C) Mass-Energy, which we have issues here fore tier inflation in general.
 
Also, have you ever considered that maybe other verses aren't questioned because people just don't notice? I personally follow 0 verses where this is a thing. Don't do anime at all. I'm not some omniscent god who knows all the ME conversion verses and doesn't question them out of spite and laziness. it's only the latter reasoI noticed it here due to recent wiki activity one day, and at least have a non zero amount of knowledge on the show, so I questioned the validity of scaling ME in this manner.

I am under no obligation to go out of my way to find every ME verse and do the same, to argue I need to be constantly making whatever I argue be put in effect for the entire wiki at once is asinine. There's a reason content revision is a gradual process.
 
@Wok Thats the problem, they SHOULD feel like searching rather than subject one verse to downgrades that directly contradict how we treat the exact same mechanics in multiple other verses for no reason other then 'i dont think it scales therefore it doesnt'. Not bothering to look at how we treat stuff like this is just perpetuating a massive double standard, let alone not even bothering to give ANY arguments as to why it shouldnt be used.

I have explained why it scales. Multiple times, and Matt has done the same both here and in the previous thread. People should give a shit about those other verses. Mass Energy conversion has multiple blatant, outright statements of existing in verse and being used for just about everything that Gems do. Its basically how they exist, how they have bodies, how they everything, all of which is backed up by statements from Pearl and Peridot, the former of whom is one of the most science savy and oldest Gems in the show who basically gives exposition for everything and the latter of which is a Gem whose sole existence is knowing how Gems are formed, how they work, and the mechanics of Gem physiology.
 
> Mass Energy conversion has multiple blatant, outright statements of existing in verse and being used for just about everything that Gems do

If the results don't make any sense in the context of the show, I don't see why we should apply them.

The ratings for the show here just don't make sense. I'm sorry. It's like picturing James Bond punching a building in half.
 
@Dargoo The ship's core is 6-B and its a vastly inferior transport ship that is thousands of years old, whereas one of the characters in the show tanked a modern warship's core exploding in her face at point blank range. Stop ignoring the context of the feat.

We dont even use the KE feat anymore so bringing it up is nonsensical

Mass Energy does not cause inflation in any way shape or form and is consistent with other tier 6 feats in the verse

The island busting feat the gems have in literally episode 2 of the series.
 
Weekly, that is absurd. How am I supposed to know that gurren lagann of all verses specifically uses ME conversion? There is no category that tells me so, and to comb over every single verse would take a ton of time for something jot that important. When an inconsistency is spotted it can be corrected, but we don't just have inconsistency detector3000Ôäó wired into our heads.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
If the results don't make any sense in the context of the show, I don't see why we should apply them.
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It DOES make sense in the context of the show, its explained so many times throughout the entire series since basically episode 1 that saying it makes no sense in the context of the show is basically ignoring the show in its entirety
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo The ship's core is 6-B and its a vastly inferior transport ship that is thousands of years old
The island busting feat the gems have in literally episode 2 of the series.
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6-B is the KE of the ship, not the energy output of the core per second. I already said how applying the KE makes little sense given how absolutely nothing happened (relatively speaking), when it crashed.

That's pretty misleading. There is no island-busting feat. They just claimed to have fought a living island. That only goes for size, not it's capacity to harm something. Why should we assume they blew apart an island if we never even saw the fight and they just claimed to fight it? Even then, shows of power in the series hardly ever match up with what you imply.

Again, I'm just going to point out and say it makes no sense at face value.
 
@Wok Take two seconds to look? When people make CRTs regarding specific mechanics like this they should always look to see if there are other verses which use the same mechanics and how theyre treated in those verses.
 
Rn I'm taking forever with verses I actually follow like Warhammer and destiny. You think I'm gonna get stuff done anywhere near quickly for a verse I have no interction with whatsoever?

Sure, if we don't consider ME for SU I'll eventually get around to making a case against doing it for Gurren lagaan, buy there's no way for anyone to know that's a thing in the first place and since you seem to have known this people are saying you can just make that case yourself instead of complaining that everyone's less onniscent than you and subtly accusing us all of being biased and spiteful towards your verse.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Wok
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When the results of the mechanics make no sense in context, don't apply them.

Black Panther restraining Silver Surfer is technically something that happened in Marvel Comics Canon, it doesn't mean it makes any sense for his power ratings.
 
Weekly you're missing the point. There is no way to search verses with ME conversion. That means I go through every verse on the wiki whenever I want to do anything. That is ridiculous.

Anyways, I:? Going to sleep. How I feel about ME conversion here should be pretty obvious.
 
When the results of the mechanics make no sense in context, don't apply them.

Black Panther restraining Silver Surfer is technically something that happened in Marvel Comics Canon, it doesn't mean it makes any sense for his power ratings.

Except they do make sense. Consistently.

A single physical outlier for an unrelated verse =/= the consistent portrayal of how a verse's mechanics work and have been shown to work since day 1.
 
Wokistan said:
Weekly you're missing the point. There is no way to search verses with ME conversion. That means I go through every verse on the wiki whenever I want to do anything. That is ridiculous.
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Then why joun this conversation if you dont want to understand what youre talking about?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Bambu Its not just shapihng their body, its done for combat
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Do they ever do it to anything other than themselves

Are they going around offensively turning people into raw energy
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Oh my god.

I had a conversation with you on chat why that's no an AP feat.

It's a tractor beam. Not an explosion.

I went over the comic, it isn't an explosion.
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Its NOT a tractor beam. I gave you the damn comic where it happened it was malfunctioning to the point of becoming a god damn laser. Once again, youre ignoring the entire context of the feat for no reason whatsoever.
 
So wait.

Is that tractor beam the only 6-B feat we have calced?

I'm going to PM Bambu the context on that calc and hopefully have it re-evauluated.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Do they ever do it to anything other than themselves

Are they going around offensively turning people into raw energy
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Yes they are thats literally what fusion is
 
Once again, youre ignoring the entire context of the feat for no reason whatsoever.
I went over the comic page by page and found nothing that suggested it was an explosion.

I mean, look at it. Does that even look like an explosion?
 
No no, not merging with another. I mean like to slay a foe, as in, an actual attack, they turn them into energy.
 
@Bambu Mass Energy Conversion isnt something that you use as an offensive ability, thats not how it works
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Dargoo, you ignoring context isnt helping this situation so im going to kindly ask you to stop
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Then provide the context. Give a link to the comic and explain why that's an explosion.
 
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