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Continuation Steven Universe Revision

Maybe I didn't explain it well in OP, but simply lifting and paralysing a character of higher AP without causing damage wouldn't make you the same level of AP. Not even me, not causing equivalent damage/destruction is what the description of AP page says.
 
Is it possible to calc what the AP would be of Pink Diamond's ship stomping the ground? I believe that Weekly calced the weight of the ship, and if we can estimate the speed of the stomp from how fast the foot enters the screen then we could calc the kinetic energy of it.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Yeah? Not over High 6-B?

An average jeep weighs 4033 pounds, or 1829.34 kg. Plugging into E=mc^2, we get 39.30 Gigatons of TNT, Island level.

A skyscraper, something a fair amount smaller than this guy I'd say, is 222,500 tons, or 201848605 kg. Plugging that in we get 4.34 Petatons of TNT, Continent level+. Literally a hair's width from High 6-A. And that's including immense hollowness.
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The 222,500 tons figure is based off of Willis Tower which is more than five times as tall as the average low-end skyscraper figure (100m) and was actually the tallest skyscraper in the world ground-to-antena until the 2010s
 
The tier 6 gems were never into play in this revision, only the e-m convertion, that calculation is still valid (although it do not scale to all "minor" gems and Weekly do not want to use the calc anymore).
 
Yes, several of the calcs, including the one that gives the current AP rating, are outright incorrect and the feats in question can't be used.

Since that was all I was being provided with for Tier 6, I was calling the Mass-Energy calcs outliers.

And something seems really off about the Red Eye explosion.
 
The e-m conversion shouldn't scale to their physical stats. They use it to form the body and thats it. The body itself isn't using the e-m resulting output to attack.
 
@Paulo

The laser light canon used to destroy that didn't do any damage to the hand ship, whose reactor exploding wasn't enough to poof Jasper, who Garnet scales to.

Yes, the scaling is a mess and doesn't make sense. Heck, calcing the reactor's explosion only came out at Tier 7 so I don't know how that feat applies to anything but the stronger fusions.
 
Also, the Red Eye calc was inflating the results on purpose to get the highest possible end, to show that a previous attempt to calc the same scene was wrong.
 
Whelp, the only tier 6 could not be considered an outlier, but it do not scale to common gems (Garnet and Amethyst were unable to destroy the Red Eye). What is off about it is, like almost any SU calc, is the pixel scaling is a pain since artist can't be consistent; also, angsize is still questionable. The Red Eye was recalculated, and it onlt obtained 2 Gigatons, but I think we never apply it.

Other tier 6 calcs involve the Island Monster (ambiguos), Garnet in the Sun (never happened, and the result was wrong), the Warship crashing (recalculated to be High 7-A), the Gem Drill (that use questionable physics), the Satellize (who explosion never happened, and it do not scale to no one anyway). So the only remaining calcs that is scalable is the Roming Eye crashing into the Rubies (that do not account for AoE and crashings to dot scale entirely generally if the moving object do not stop completely).
 
SchroKatze said:
The e-m conversion shouldn't scale to their physical stats. They use it to form the body and thats it. The body itself isn't using the e-m resulting output to attack.
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but they can use it to shapeshift so somehow that energy is transfered into their attacks for whatever reasons I still can't find out
 
Probably is something among the lines of "We don't see the conversion go boom, so that means that they store the energy to attack.", which is actually the only way to scale them to it. The point is, there isn't anything supporting this.
 
Okay, let's just take this a step or two back, focus less on the stronger gems like Garnet.

If you apply ME to, say, Peridot, who has practically no feats to back up Tier 6, you'd still have her well into something like 6-C. Subtract the technology that lets her scale to the gems.

Heck, use ME on the pebbles from Pink Diamond's room and you'll have a small army of Tier seven room cleaners.

Even if it's "backed up" by like one or two feats it still makes no sense to use for the weaker gems, and if the ratings are absurd in one instance I don't see how that supports them being accurate for the other instances.
 
Using M-E on a 1 kg object results in 21.48 Megatons of TNT.
 
Well, the argument being used for E-M to be applicable is that when the Gem is bigger, they're stronger (Amy's wrestler form, Garnet's big gauntlet, etc.), but that also doesn't make that much sense, because the Crystal Gems constantly beat giant monsters without having to grow in size, but if you use E-M, then being bigger should make the monsters stronger, period, unless the Gems actually grow bigger during the fight.

Also if you were to use that logic, they would only have the AP they have right now when they go out of their way to grow, which is out of character (Garnet's calc is something she only did once to scare the other Gems and Amy's calc is something she did outside of battle just as a joke), so even if you use their logic, their tier would have be something like "Varies depending on how big they are" or something of the like.
 
Paulo, don't give them any ideas.

Next thing you know it they'll use the Mass-Energy of the bigger monsters they fight to pull Garnet to Continent level.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Paulo, don't give them any ideas.
Next thing you know it they'll use the Mass-Energy of the bigger monsters they fight to pull Garnet to Continent level.
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Good thing no-one tried to do that...
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
@Anto
Gem Drill is the Low 7-C one?
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The Gem Drill calc is actually Tier 6 if I recall, but apparently it was based on the cluster being in the center of the Earth, which was actually retconned or forgotten about when they showed that it was just underneath an area around Death Valley/California on a map.

You can tell because they never hit the solid Iron core of the earth nor the molten metal outer core, they only go through a small area of the Mantle.
 
@Aiden, no, is one that hit the tier 6 (do not remember the exact number), goes like: the distance between the surface and the cluster is D and they took t time to get in there, so after calculating the mass of the drill KE is e. However, since hte drill moved through ground and not air it has to be moving x times faster in order to move an a speed of v, tha's means the drill was moving an a speed of x*v, so KE is e*x^2.
 
I think that in general M-E feats should be used when one of these conditions is met:

1) The energy is released in an explosive fashion and someone tanks it

2) It's made clear that it's intended as a feat of raw power (Take Raven from RWBY making a storm as an example, just with mass energy instead)

3) The energy is actually used to attacks someone (Example, I turn a rock into energy and fire it at someone else)

Idk SU so I can't help much with this specific thread, but these are my 2 cents regarding M-E feats
 
1) Nope.

2) Also no.

3) Nada.

Here it is used to transform themselves to different sizes, fuse with one another, etc.
 
Pretty sure SU meets none of those criteria.

Gems being able to make a physical form out of energy isn't a fact that is explicitly used for combat. The closest thing you ever get is shapeshifting but that is never explained to utilized the energy from forming a physical body to harm someone, it's just done to give them a larger size for AoE or move around/get through places.

Amethest turning into a cat doesn't prove she can punch with gigatons of force.
 
SchroKatze said:
Probably is something among the lines of "We don't see the conversion go boom, so that means that they store the energy to attack.", which is actually the only way to scale them to it. The point is, there isn't anything supporting this.
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^
 
Antoniofer said:
@Aiden, no, is one that hit the tier 6 (do not remember the exact number), goes like: the distance between the surface and the cluster is D and they took t time to get in there, so after calculating the mass of the drill KE is e. However, since hte drill moved through ground and not air it has to be moving x times faster in order to move an a speed of v, tha's means the drill was moving an a speed of x*v, so KE is e*x^2.
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I saw one that they calculated the durability of the drill at Low 7-C based on Peridot's statement, and the gems called the Drill fragile (after said statement was made)
 
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