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Continuation Steven Universe Revision

@Dargoo Would you like me to give everyone here the scan where is stated that the laser is drastically increasing the temperature of the area without even firing?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
And seriously what is with you guys and not wanting to use M-E for no reaso? The whole reason Gems as a race exist is because they use Mass-Energy to make bodies
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Lack of supporting feats
Doesn't meet Kaltias' requirements

Doesn't make sense for lower tiered characters like Pertidot w/out equipment and the pebbles

IMO M-E shouldn't be used. It doesn't matter how engrained it is in the show, which I doubt, if the results and applications don't make sense.
~ Dargoo Faust​
I think that in general M-E feats should be used when one of these conditions is met:
1) The energy is released in an explosive fashion and someone tanks it

2) It's made clear that it's intended as a feat of raw power (Take Raven from RWBY making a storm as an example, just with mass energy instead)

3) The energy is actually used to attacks someone (Example, I turn a rock into energy and fire it at someone else)

Idk SU so I can't help much with this specific thread, but these are my 2 cents regarding M-E feats
~ Kaltias​
M-E when used offensively is AP. That's a real thing. Using it to shapeshift and when so inconsistent with other values is not because they literally aren't using it to attack anything, just to be bigger.
~ Mr. Bambu​
Counter points:
  • Several gems that can reform or shapeshift are not necessary strong, examples are Peridot, a young Steven and several corrupted gems.
  • The AP is not necessary determinated by the size, gems has been show to be stronger than gems considerable bigger.
  • Peridot or the off-color being High 7-A, 6-C or higher is an outlier.
~ Antoniofer​
If you really don't know why people don't want to use the E-M feats even after it has been explained so many times, and really think it's just "for no reason", then there's not much I can say except for please pay more attention.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
...No it does not.

You saying "yes too" does not counter the many problems brought up. Woute and respond to each one at a time, and actually do so by presenting your logic.
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It allows them to qualify for all of Kalt's prerequisites. Sorry if you dont like it but its the truth.
 
So just to check, is everyone okay with disregarding the Sardonyx calc for the reason I mentioned?

And can we get someone to calc the stomp that Sunstone blocked?
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Are we gonna talk about the gems's 2, possibly 3 High 6-A feats or no?
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That's just Lapis from what I can recall, who stomps the gems on their own and doesn't actually scale to anything but the strongest fusions.

If it does somehow scale to Garnet and co. I'd call it an outlier.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Are we gonna talk about the gems's 2, possibly 3 High 6-A feats or no?
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No, we're not, because we're talking about Gems like Amethyst, Garnet and Perl, and not the High 6-A Gems like Lapis or the Diamonds, who are unaffected by this revision, therefore having nothing to do with what we're talking about.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
the main cast has High 6-A feats
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Lapis does, and she doesn't scale.

Link me to the High 6-A feats from the regular gems, they're most likely outliers if that's the case.
 
@Dargoo Almost every main Gem has broken Steven's bubble or fought someone who did so

Off the top of my head Bismuth damaged Steven's diamond ship as well
 
We don't count chip damage as a feat. The only person who reasonably harmed the ships was Obsidian.

Unless you want to suggest Bismuth scales to the same dura as Obsidian and the stronger fusions and make the scaling even more of a mess.

Perhaps we should look at Lapis' feats and see if they are solidly grounded.
 
Steven's bubble being High 6-A to begin with doesn't make that much sense, since hit comes from surviving the entire ocean falling on it at once, which, just like the Ruby feat, ignores AoE, which would dratically lower the feat once taken into account. The shield is High 6-A for sure tho, it blocked hits from Blue Diamond, but that's only his third key.
 
Cool, that doesnt discredit all the Gems that broke Steven's bubble over the course of the series

Lapis' feat was directly calced by Kep after a two thread long discussion about it, its more solidly grounded than most calcs on this wiki
 
I'm also astounded that we've moved from "6-C/6-B is crazy consistent", and once that was throughly debunked alongside Mass-Energy you're suggesting we make everyone High 6-A via scaling to Steven's Sheild, which makes little sense.

Strongly agree with Paulo.

@Weekly Stop associating the calc with stuff from other verses. We're talking about Steven Universe, not whatever other series are on the wiki. I don't care if Kep made the calc, I'd like to look it over.
 
Can somebody explain how this:

" One of his bubbles protected him from Lapis Lazuli's tower collapsing on him and his friends "

Is a Multi-Continent feat? Was that part of the calc? If so, why is it not linked?
 
@Weekly

So you're suggesting all of the gems scale to High 6-A via scaling to Steven's Sheild?

I would agree to Lapis' tier being variable based on her acess to water.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Damage Yes, it is, look at the calc linked in Lapis' page
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That calc looks like it is for the energy Lapis expended to create the tower. Not the AP of the tower falling onto Steven's bubble.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbbPkO4dWSs In the mobile game Attack the Light, they are able to cause alot of damage to White Light who is a High 6-A via scaling from Alexandrite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9lrhtM85o In the console game Save the Light they fight another White Light/Light Warrior, and then later fight an even STRONGER White Light on Hessonite's ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmrMDyZNq5w In Reunited, the gems are able to physically push back and stagger Blue Diamond. (Which, as Paulo pointed out to me last thread, is a High 6-A feat.)

Those are all the ones I remember off the top of my head, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
 
If someone wants to calc the AoE for Steven's bubble feel free to, its undoubtedly tier 6 and would only support the verse's current standing
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Dargoo Good to see you agree with Paulo that her High 6-A feat is legit
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I strongly disagree with scaling them. I'm also partial to Lapis' tier varing based on her access to water.
 
@Dargoo If you want to calc the AoE for Steven's bubble feel free to, its undoubtedly tier 6 and would only support the verse's current standing

She's already got a variable tier based on that
 
Seriously, I really don't know why this wiki is acting like the entire ocean fell on Steven's bubble at once; AoE people, only a small fraction of it fell on the bubble, the rest fell on the area around and refiled the planet with water.

That's like someone throwing 100 water balloons at me, 99 of them hitting the ground around me and only one of them hitting me, and then everyone starts acting like all of them hit me.
 
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