Composite One Piece Vs. Composite Shinigami (Bleach)

[YungManzi]

Exactly what it says above.

1) All base stats are equal

2) No RC.

3) Since it's only Shinigami; this obviously means no Fullbring powers, no Quincy stuff, no espada, no Soul King, no hollow anything, ect ect. But weapons or objects that shinigami possess, like the Hogyoku, are fine.

 

[KingTempest]

Following. Good match

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Soul crush GG?

 

[XDragnoir]

Without the Quincies i don't see Bleach winning, but i don't know every shikai/bankai so whatever.

Soul crush GG?

Idk if he edited but RC is restricted now.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Ichibe's hax turns Composite OP into a black ant, and subsequently, a dead black ant.

 

[LordGinSama]

Ichibei is all that's needed, and they can still deal direct soul damage and some have causality Manipulation forcing them into a stamina based death match, mind hax, Greater elements such as Yama's Bankai temperature, Rukia's AZ, Toshiro's power nulling ice, Shunsui's Bankai, etc. Urahara's Bankai also hard counter's Law's Devil Fruit.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Right so …… comp Shinigami just never dies because Kazeshini is a thing and causality manips away any damage received, a bunch of stuff that work based on contact or striking the opponent like Suzumebachi, Wabisuke, Ichibe’s conceptual halving Shikai, Ashisogi Jizou etc all get their effectiveness boosted massively by Sanpo Kenju’s three strikes, Tessai comes with time stop, Konjiki’s AoE poison, all the shit Gin mentioned, Nanao’s god paddle is able to cut Lille’s logia body, Shunsui’s Bankai can explode that as well etc etc.

No real way for Shinigami to be put down while they have a bunch of stuff that sorta bops OP.

 

[KingTempest]

What about Toki's BFR?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

What about Toki's BFR?

Couldn't Hogyoku make Comp OP use it on an illusion and not the real Comp Shini?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

What range is the BFR?

 

[KingTempest]

Couldn't Hogyoku make Comp OP use it on an illusion and not the real Comp Shini?

Comp OP has Pacifista, they require a brain or no?

 

[KingTempest]

What range is the BFR?

20 years into the future

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I don't know much about aizen I haven't reached that far into the story but I know his kyokusuigetsu or whatever it's called can make people see illusions if they look at his sword release, so can he use that to defeat the haxxed characters like toki and sugar?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

If Shinigami has the Hogyoku and is transcendent, they resist getting BFR’s hundreds of years back and forth in time.

 

[KingTempest]

I don't know much about aizen I haven't reached that far into the story but I know his kyokusuigetsu or whatever it's called can make people see illusions if they look at his sword release, so can he use that to defeat the haxxed characters like toki and sugar?

composite = everybody in the verse combined into 1 person

They'd have Issho's blindness which means that they wouldn't be able to visually see his shikai

 

[KingTempest]

If Shinigami has the Hogyoku and is transcendent, they resist getting BFR’s hundreds of years back and forth in time.

Gotcha gotcha.


I'll wait for more arguments, leaning towards comp Bleach

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

composite = everybody in the verse combined into 1 person

They'd have Issho's blindness which means that they wouldn't be able to visually see his shikai

oh, but what about dudes who have super enhanced eye sight but blind at the same time??? or three eyes lol?

 

[KingTempest]

oh, but what about dudes who have super enhanced eye sight but blind at the same time??? or three eyes lol?

Observation Haki I guess. They can see w/ their eyes closed

These guys have like 8 different elemental intangs, 2 Immaterial intangs, then 3 people with future sight, a bunch of weird physiologies, etc.
OP has more hax but Bleach hax better hax, so there's where the issue lies

 

[Lightbuster30]

2) No RC.

Well there you have it folks, now we know who wins.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Ichibe's hax turns Composite OP into a black ant, and subsequently, a dead black ant.

 

[KingTempest]

Forgot about Ichibe.

L

 

[Nierre]

how about we exclude squad 0...

though i wonder how much will change if Ichibe's excluded

 

[Theendzero13]

Ichibe+yamamoto:GG

 

[Purgy]

None can even withstand Yamamoto's passive heat aura

The heat resistance in the verse caps out at Akainu who doesn't even come close

And Ichimonji negs

 

[KingTempest]

None can even withstand Yamamoto's passive heat aura

The heat resistance in the verse caps out at Akainu who doesn't even come close

He burning fire?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

None can even withstand Yamamoto's passive heat aura

The heat resistance in the verse caps out at Akainu who doesn't even come close

And Ichimonji negs

How hot is head captain yamamoto? Actually don't answer I don't want spoilers.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

How hot is head captain yamamoto? Actually don't answer I don't want spoilers.

I accidentally read that as "How hot is Captain Yamamoto" and was like "bro, what?"

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I accidentally read that as "How hot is Captain Yamamoto" and was like "bro, what?"

That is exactly what you read. What do you mean?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Just my mind making a joke out of that, that's all.

 

[KingTempest]

 

[Purgy]

He burning fire?

He's burning their soul

And regardless, as shown in One Piece, superior heat can burn Ace as was demonstrated by Akainu

Lastly, the "heat" Yamamoto emits is actually his Reiatsu, so it's a bit different.

 

[KingTempest]

He's burning their soul

And regardless, as shown in One Piece, superior heat can burn Ace as was demonstrated by Akainu

He did not get killed because his magma has superior heat, he got killed because Akainu's magma has the ability to burn fire, like Amaterasu from Naruto which can burn flames. It's not a weakness for Ace, it's a plus for Akainu.
Devil Fruits have superiorities and weaknesses to other devil fruits. Monet (snow) is weak to Aokiji (ice) because his fruit has superiority, it doesn't mean that anything cold hurts her, it's just that it's her weakness.

 

[Purgy]

That isn't what the raw indicates

It implies Akainu's able to burn him due to a hierarchal difference between their fruits, and the only real qualitative difference is the temperature.

As for your Monet example, nobody has ever argued Monet is weak to "anything cold", they could however argue, that she's weak to Aokiji's level of cold, but even then, unlike the Akainu example, we've never seen Monet and Aokiji interact.

 

[KingTempest]

That isn't what the raw indicates

It implies Akainu's able to burn him due to a hierarchal difference between their fruits, and the only real qualitative difference is the temperature.

You're trying to look at it from a logical perspective which is where you went wrong.

Oda confirms the hierarchal difference is a devil fruit difference, not a heat difference

It's referring to devil fruit superiority, not temperature.
Or else with this logic, Enel should be superior as well to his devil fruit, yet only Akainu has it

 

[LordGinSama]

Databook states otherwise, as does WoG iirc. Also due to Magma being able to smother and deprive fire of oxygen.

 

[Purgy]

You're trying to look at it from a logical perspective which is where you went wrong.

Oda confirms the hierarchal difference is a devil fruit difference, not a heat difference

It's referring to devil fruit superiority, not temperature.
Or else with this logic, Enel should be superior as well to his devil fruit, yet only Akainu has it

He confirms it's a devil fruit superiority, which for two fruits that focus on temperature, the superiority would be temperature.

Obviously the Ton Ton no Mi isn't superior to the Kilo Kilo no Mi due to temperature... Because that isn't what their ability relates to, in their case, it's superior due to the weight.

 

[theultimate5105]

A guy with a fire extinguisher beats ace lol

 

[KingTempest]

He confirms it's a devil fruit superiority, which for two fruits that focus on temperature, the superiority would be temperature.

Which is headcanon.
it's never said "because my power is hotter, i can burn you".
Akainu says it's on a higher order and that his magma consumes fire, not that it's hotter.
You're trying to correlate it to heat which is wrong.

There are 2 fruits which use threads, why isn't that a thing for them?
Why isn't the lightning fruit tied to the superiority when lightning is far above fire?

Devil Fruit superiority, not the factors of the devil fruit are superior.

Obviously the Ton Ton no Mi isn't superior to the Kilo Kilo no Mi due to temperature... Because that isn't what their ability relates to, in their case, it's superior due to the weight.

The Buki Buki is superior to the Supa Supa and the only difference is that it makes more weapons.
So people who use more than 1 weapon can overpower a Supa Supa user?

That's the logic.

 

[Purgy]

Which is headcanon.
it's never said "because my power is hotter, i can burn you".
Akainu says it's on a higher order and that his magma consumes fire, not that it's hotter.
You're trying to correlate it to heat which is wrong.

There are 2 fruits which use threads, why isn't that a thing for them?
Why isn't the lightning fruit tied to the superiority when lightning is far above fire?

Devil Fruit superiority, not the factors of the devil fruit are superior.

The Buki Buki is superior to the Supa Supa and the only difference is that it makes more weapons.
So people who use more than 1 weapon can overpower a Supa Supa user?

That's the logic.

Akainu says his magma can burn fire due to a hierarchal power difference between their fruits.

Tell me what makes the Magu Magu no Mi superior to the Mera Mera no Mi if not temperature?

Sure, it's not directly stated, but it doesn't take a big leap in logic to see that clearly, Akainu can burn Ace due to the superior temperature of his devil fruit.

Other devil fruit pairs don't matter here, no idea why you keep bringing them up, nobody said they have to be superior in the same way for each pair.

Regardless, this doesn't even matter, Yamamoto turns their soul to ash passively, he doesn't need to burn fire to do so.

 

[KingTempest]

Akainu says his magma can burn fire due to a hierarchal power difference between their fruits.

Tell me what makes the Magu Magu no Mi superior to the Mera Mera no Mi if not temperature?

Akainu has the strongest devil fruit in the series.
Akainu states his devil fruit is in a higher order of devil fruits than Ace's.

Nobody said "A concept my fruit embodies is superior in that department than yours".

It's your headcanon that it talks about heat

Sure, it's not directly stated, but it doesn't take a big leap in logic to see that clearly, Akainu can burn Ace due to the superior temperature of his devil fruit.

Sure, it's not stated at all or implied, and there's other DFs with superiority in other categories, so we can assume it means what's given.

Other devil fruit pairs don't matter here, no idea why you keep bringing them up, nobody said they have to be superior in the same way for each pair.

Because they have the same issue.

It's devil fruit superiority, not heat superiority.

Stop saying "what's superior about their fruits?" cause that's not what they're referring to. Akainu's devil fruit is in a higher order of devil fruits than Ace's, just like how the girl who turns into multiple weapons is superior to the guy who turns into blades.

Regardless, this doesn't even matter, Yamamoto turns their soul to ash passively, he doesn't need to burn fire to do so.

Brook, who can attack souls, couldn't hurt Kizaru in his light form.
I need proof they bypass the logia's elemental bs to hit their soul.