Hasty12345
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I don't think that makes any sense at all
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(Complete Saint Seiya verse Overhaul Part 1) - Perhaps one of the top 10 most ambitious overhauls to a verse in vswiki history?
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Georredannea15
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Unfortunately, the fact that its universe is in it does not make it 4D. We are 3D, but we are in a 4D universe.
Hasty12345
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spacetime is 4D. This isn't hard.
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This is not a 4D location. Our universe consists of 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension. Not 4 spatial dimensions.
Anyways, if Executer agrees with 5D, so do I- Even though I'm still skeptical.
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Along with the differences already there, the descriptions in those scenes with Asmita sound vehemently unfaithful to what the 8th sense was in canon. LC shouldn’t be cross scaled.
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I’m fairly sure Low 2-C is considered a 4d tier via affecting an entire spacetime.
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Classic just says it allows one to enter the UW alive, LC explains the mechanism.
There's 0 contradiction.
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Yes, that's exactly as you said. But in 3 spatial + 1 temporal way. So being inside the universe is not a 4D location. It's 3D
However, it doesn't make much difference. If the membrane covers the whole multiverse, being higher dimensional than that is already 5D
Georredannea15
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However, the fact that the membrane is in the universe does not mean that it is 4-dimensional like space-time.
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The fact that they can't resurrect in LC like Golds did in canon, or whatever this is supposed to be.
Where was anything like this hinted at in canon?
In LC they aren't alive.
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In tlc, they never enter the underworld(or at least, we never see it), why would this matter.
That’s like saying ND is non canon because the golds didn’t resurrect themselves.
This presupposes it’s not canon, but it’s certainly canon to TLC. You’d have to argue about TLC canonicity as a whole. And besides, what would be the point of writing a new story if you can add anything new
Hasty12345
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yeah but they can just come back if they want, it's a character flaw they don't. Like ND.
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It’s not IN the universe. it’s a MEMBRANE. Those cover things, meaning they are OUTSIDE it. A cell membrane exists around a cell, seperating it from the outside world. the universes membrane exists around it, separating it from the higher dimension the dead go to.
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Ko and Cho Jigen do mean higher dimension but the statement varies depending on the context it's not auto tier 1
In this case I think 5-D makes sense since it specificies in one scan that entering said state makes the individual free from the universe and it's membranes which shouldn't be a thing if the state was bound by or only encompasses space and time
There's alot to go over in the CRT and I'm not really qualified to evaluate that so i'll leave the rest to staff and the supporters
Also cheers for the CRT Unshakeable took a while but it's here at last
In this case I think 5-D makes sense since it specificies in one scan that entering said state makes the individual free from the universe and it's membranes which shouldn't be a thing if the state was bound by or only encompasses space and time
There's alot to go over in the CRT and I'm not really qualified to evaluate that so i'll leave the rest to staff and the supporters
Also cheers for the CRT Unshakeable took a while but it's here at last
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So how many agrees and disagrees now
Georredannea15
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But the scan doesn't say that.
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I don't think any discussion about a membrane is really necessary here. What Asmita is talking about is that it feels that between his level of existence and the higher dimension above it, there's a membrane he can't penetrate. It's just a way of saying that he can't reach that level because it exists in a higher dimension, so the "membrane" is just a descriptor to say that he can't reach there unless he pierces that membrane, by rising the dimensionality of his own soul and becomes detached of the limits of time and space.
貴方のいる高次元がまるで突破できぬ薄い膜の向こうにあるようだった
It feels as if the higher dimension you were in was beyond an impenetrable thin membrane
I don't think this is meant to mean something that is literal, but rather a representation of someone from a dimension below not being able to access a higher dimension, as if there was a barrier that separated the two levels of existence. This is not something strange to think about, I have seen this same description used in other places as well and it's mostly as a metaphor to explain the difference between the two levels of existence.
Of course, sometimes there are in-between realms (Like in Platonism there's the Khôra between the physical and the metaphysical realms), but unless there's a proper explanation about those in-between realms, I don't think there's much to be discussed.
The content we already have about 8th sense users becoming unlimited by space-time and being able to percieve multiple dimensions at once is already enough to show that it's a transcendence that has physisical implications.
貴方のいる高次元がまるで突破できぬ薄い膜の向こうにあるようだった
It feels as if the higher dimension you were in was beyond an impenetrable thin membrane
I don't think this is meant to mean something that is literal, but rather a representation of someone from a dimension below not being able to access a higher dimension, as if there was a barrier that separated the two levels of existence. This is not something strange to think about, I have seen this same description used in other places as well and it's mostly as a metaphor to explain the difference between the two levels of existence.
Of course, sometimes there are in-between realms (Like in Platonism there's the Khôra between the physical and the metaphysical realms), but unless there's a proper explanation about those in-between realms, I don't think there's much to be discussed.
The content we already have about 8th sense users becoming unlimited by space-time and being able to percieve multiple dimensions at once is already enough to show that it's a transcendence that has physisical implications.
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Or just that the 8th sense is a higher power and I'm not saying anything literal there, because I see this happening all the time in works, it's a kind of hyperbole to say that being superior in power
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or, you can read the manga...
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Based on the evidence I do concur with 5-D ontology.
Minor nitpick but Shaka's "108 Bead Rosary" should be edited to "108 Bead Mala" in his equipment slot. It's not a rosary.
Minor nitpick but Shaka's "108 Bead Rosary" should be edited to "108 Bead Mala" in his equipment slot. It's not a rosary.
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What are you talking about. Asmita is literally just describing how Ilias is hard to reach.
Georredannea15
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I don't think so, I haven't seen any qualitative transcendence anywhere except the membrane here.
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Hasty12345
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So the OP can put you in the disagree section and we can stop cluttering the thread
Georredannea15
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Disagrees with 5D. If the scans had written what you said, I would have agreed you.
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There was that whole little arc with Ahimsa where he went to Hell and Asmita as a soul coming to his aid (where Asmita was noted to be the one of the only ones capable of traveling between worlds which is most definitely what that multiple dimensions scan is talking about as opposed to any higher dimensional whatever).
The whole "go the Underworld alive to not be under Hades' rule" criteria from Dohko in canon seems to have been completely discarded by TLC, considering Ahimsa does so awakening the 8th sense yet not being alive by any means.
It's not the same because Kurumada has clearly shown them with the power to regenerate. Asmita and Ahimsa (8th sense users) establish that in TLC they can't.
The issue isn't creating new concepts as much as it is these new concepts being unfaithful to canon creating inconsistencies and making cross-scaling incompatible. The 8th sense (canon) never came with anything like nigh omniscience like implied in that scan.
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got a scan for that?
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