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Commandment of Piety vs The Wizard King

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thetechmaster36 said:
It's in character against weaker people. The souls he's stolen have always been from people he can kill or knock out with a finger flick, like common citizens or weak Holy Knights. He's never tried stealing the souls of people who are actually powerful and comparable to him. If that was the case, he would have tried stealing Mael's soul. Or Escanor.
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High demon already has resistance
And grace user also already have it, their got resistance from grace that strenghten their soul and spirit, even melascula the one of mastery at soul manipulation can't take escanor soul.

I am sick of this logic, it's doesn't even tried to other character doesn't mean he can't do it, especially against characters who don't have resistance (unless the fear manip yeah) . I don't even remember julius (correct me if i wrong) ever using his time EE other than he doing it at fodder, but people still keep saying he can oneshot other character with it.
 
tbh been thinking, how would the Demon King vs the Devil King go? 🧐 after Zeldris gets the W we might see Lucifero's head rolling
 
speedster352 said:
Again no one countered this. Zeldris stole the souls of countless humans even the fighters of Camelot so it’s in character for him to do so. Zeldris highly upscale from 25 gigatons and he can stack god and second demon mark on this and night and rage amps. So the ap advantage goes to Zeldris
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When did he ever use it against someone significant?
 
Nelliels said:
Sounds like straight rubbish.
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Wait till nnt gets the upgrade to country level and FTL then the match can happen. Also the ruler
The Ruler is a magic ability that allows the Demon King to "invert" all the attacks and powers effects used against him. All attacks and weakness are converted into healing and fortification. Even the effects of others' powers are completely reversed; per example, when Ban tried to use his Snatch to steal Demon King's strength, he was forced to give his own to the ruler. However, as The Ruler functions on the concept of magic inversion rather than magic absorption, any magic meant to strengthen him or increase his power will instead weaken him, as shown by Ban. Despite this weakness, he can easily overcome it by deactivating his own power.
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Just to note, you can have a character with conceptual/law/physics/information manipulation, reality warping etc. lose/draw to a character with one hax move, as long as the character with that one hax's ability is not resisted.

If Zeldris can't stop Mana Zone + Chrono stasis, it's inconclusive at best for him
 
Quantu said:
Just to note, you can have a character with conceptual/law/physics/information manipulation, reality warping etc. lose/draw to a character with one hax move, as long as the character with that one hax's ability is not resisted.

If Zeldris can't stop Mana Zone + Chrono stasis, it's inconclusive at best for him
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Zeldris has god layered power nullification and can out range Julius
Epsilon_R said:
This. She took her soul but couldn't eat it because of the heat he was emitting

You're proving my point, that's not fear manip
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it is fear manipulation it’s on his profile the entire community and the mods agreed with it.
speedster352 said:
Zeldris win coins omnious nebula and night and rage amp to boost it, omnious bind, soul steal, passive fear aura and etc
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any counters? Zeldris can yank his soul out so it’s not inconclusive
 
Nelliels said:
he's. referring to Lucifero's class T level gravity aura hax. very powerful, sadly Speedster has an argument against it.
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Simple the ruler but what till nnt gets the upgrade
Epsilon_R said:
This. She took her soul but couldn't eat it because of the heat he was emitting

You're proving my point, that's not fear manip
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Explain this
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Zeldris's fear aura argument is that he can make Jul feel fear. Jul and Zel base to base are relatively in the same level with a 2.12 difference in Julius's favor.
Julius: Upscales from 53 Gigatons.
Zeldris: Upscales from 25.2 Gigatons.

Zeldris is stronger in his 2nd demon mark but what is the difference? not explained but if it is can post.
Julius can increase his power through mana zone but the difference? not explained but if it is can post.

Given the amps are likely unknown and Julius already scales close to 3x greater I'm doubtful this aura will work.
 
Nelliels said:
Zeldris's fear aura argument is that he can make Jul feel fear. Jul and Zel base to base are relatively in the same level with a 2.12 difference in Julius's favor.
Julius: Upscales from 53 Gigatons.
Zeldris: Upscales from 25.2 Gigatons.

Zeldris is stronger in his 2nd demon mark but what is the difference? not explained but if it is can post.
Julius can increase his power through mana zone but the difference? not explained but if it is can post.

Given the amps are likely unknown and Julius already scales close to 3x greater I'm doubtful this aura will work.
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Second demon mark doubles Zeldris power. Night time and range amps and ON will increase his ap exponentially
Nelliels said:
the gravity. puts down country level characters, several of them, all being amped.
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the ruler
Aether_ said:
Sorry speed,
demon fear manipulation at best i think just only at gloxinia and drole lv.
When meliodas encounter them
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it worked on Arthur who damaged chandler and cusack.
speedster352 said:
Zeldris win coins omnious nebula and night and rage amp to boost it, omnious bind, soul steal, passive fear aura and etc
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and I am still waiting for counters
 
speedster352 said:
Second demon mark doubles Zeldris power. Night time and range amps and ON will increase his ap exponentially
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Doubling his power only makes him go to 50 gigatons, Julius is above that and can amp himself. The exponential boost you're talking about is hyperbolic, it was never said to be exponential
speedster352 said:
it worked on Arthur who damaged chandler and cusack.
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Scans of Zeldris making Arthur scared?
 
Epsilon_R said:
Doubling his power only makes him go to 50 gigatons, Julius is above that and can amp himself. The exponential boost you're talking about is hyperbolic, it was never said to be exponential

Scans of Zeldris making Arthur scared?
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I am confused with Julius AP. Where does he get this from?
I remember him as an very haxed character who uses time to stop attacks etc.

Don't remember him as someone who busts things with great power
 
Epsilon_R said:
Doubling his power only makes him go to 50 gigatons, Julius is above that
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
The moment is destroyed, gravity crush and insta kill if anything

Edit: Also, inverting gravity magic would not make him literally fly out of the planet?????¿¿¿¿
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and can amp himself. The exponential boost you're talking about is hyperbolic, it was never said to be exponential

Scans of Zeldris making Arthur scared?
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Here Julius can do that by an unknown
amount. Still got one shorted by patry. Non limits fallacy for lucifero gravity.
 
Epsilon_R said:
Drop the Lucifero discussion, we've already derailed many times
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Attack Potency: Island level (Stronger than Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas), higher with God (Matched Ludoshel in combat), far higher with Ominous Nebula (Stomped Ludoshel and Near-Noon Escanor) | Island level (Zeldris's 2nd Demon Mark multiplies the user's power), higher with God (Kept up with and bruised a casual Afternoon Mael), far higher with Ominous Nebula (Briefly held back The One Escanor and destroyed Demon King’s Hermit of Moments which could overpower him using God in his 2nd Demon Mark state)
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