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COLLIDING FISTS OF KI! Son Goku vs Akuma

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One hit is all he needs. It's a soul attack Guy needed to block every single one of Evil Ryu's hits with Guy's sizable speed advantage.

I've explained the "Pure of Heart" reasoning so much that I'm not even going to bother anymore.

Solar Flare can be countered by going intangible while blinded, assuming Akuma would be blinded in the first place and not just close his eyes or anything. I've also explained why the Warp Kamehameha would be moot due to its main effectiveness coming through deception and Akuma can also teleport and shoot ki blasts, and the third reason is bull, because it was never done ever, and sounds like one of those reasons people come up to justify Yukari beating Reinhard.
 
Just like Akuma can see everything Goku can do, and block, dodge or counter all of his moves. Works both ways. Not to mention that Akuma doesn't just lose the ability after using it once, as Super Meters are clearly game mechanics.
 
But now the speed factor is pointless, since they are moving at the same speed, so there is a good chance that Goku can counter the Raging Demon just like Asura did.

Also, the Raging Demon isn't really just one punch, it's a series of punches. That entire series needs to connect in order for the soul destroying technique to be effective. So it's not like "one hit" will kill Goku.
 
Again, Asura had 6 arms, and they had the same speed. Goku has 2, and they have the same speed. Goku won't block all of those attacks.

And there's still no counter for intangibility.
 
The real cal howard said:
Again, Asura had 6 arms, and they had the same speed. Goku has 2, and they have the same speed. Goku won't block all of those attacks.
And there's still no counter for intangibility.
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you have no proof that asura and akuma had the exact same speed
 
The thing with the spirit bomb I have seen in a lot of Goku match ups is that "His opponent will kill Goku before he can charge it" Goku is not an idiot. Yes, the times Goku has used the spirit bomb, there were people fending off the enemy. However, do you really think Goku is so much of an idiot, he will charge the spirit bomb, and not be cautious of raging demon?. Note that the spirit bomb STAYS in the air, even while Goku is not charging it. He can gather energy for the spirit bomb, let it go, charge it up again till it is ready

Goku wins with Instant kamehameha or charges the spirit bomb on a timed period, and instant transmissions around till he has enough energy to kill.

The only problem is how long it will take to gather the energy. Well, it won't take as long as it did against buu, but it will take more time then he used it against Frieza. I am pretty sure Goku can outsmart and tank till then.

Edit: The spirit bomb is stronger depending on how much evil the opponent has. Hmm.... A RAGING DEMON tanking a spirit bomb. Lol please.
 
Akuma is scaled off of Asura. They have the same speed. At worst, comparable speed. That's how this site works.
 
The real cal howard said:
Akuma is scaled off of Asura. They have the same speed. At worst, comparable speed. That's how this site works.
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yes, i know, but the speed isn't exactly the same, yes it could scale as comparable but still it isn't the same, goku has isntant trasmission he can dodge it
 
But they're speed is EQUALIZED. Even if Asura needed six arms to block the attack, that doesn't matter in this scenario since they are moving at the same speed. They're punches are moving at the same speed, so it's not like Goku can't react to the attacks.

Also, edited my last comment.
 
@Goku. Every single time the Spirit Bomb was used, Goku or someone else was beaten to a bloody pulp. The argument holds no water. And as I've been stating this entire time, Goku cannot take a Raging Demon. And no one is outsmarting anyone this fight. I've also explained the IT Kamehameha argument.
 
@PTX. Read my Guy argument. Guy needed to block every single attack. And the matter of the RD being blocked is a matter of precision than speed. And Goku can't dodge it forever.

@AO. And Akuma has teleportation too.
 
The real cal howard said:
@Goku. Every single time the Spirit Bomb was used, Goku or someone else was beaten to a bloody pulp. The argument holds no water. And as I've been stating this entire time, Goku cannot take a Raging Demon. And no one is outsmarting anyone this fight. I've also explained the IT Kamehameha argument.
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you haven't explained anything, nor have you convinced me about it. what about the saiyan geting stronger the longer he fights
 
No. He gets stronger the more he gets beaten to near death. He doesn't have reactive evolution.

I have explained the IT Kamehameha several times. I've stated that Akuma also has teleportation and powerful ki blasts, so IT Kamehameha is moot, and when it was used, he had to have everyone focused on the planet busting Kamehameha instead of the technique.
 
The real cal howard said:
One hit is all he needs. It's a soul attack Guy needed to block every single one of Evil Ryu's hits with Guy's sizable speed advantage.
I've explained the "Pure of Heart" reasoning so much that I'm not even going to bother anymore.

Solar Flare can be countered by going intangible while blinded, assuming Akuma would be blinded in the first place and not just close his eyes or anything. I've also explained why the Warp Kamehameha would be moot due to its main effectiveness coming through deception and Akuma can also teleport and shoot ki blasts, and the third reason is bull, because it was never done ever, and sounds like one of those reasons people come up to justify Yukari beating Reinhard.
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I disagree.

Goku being pure of heart DOES reduce the effect of the Raging Demon.

Neither opponent has knowledge of each other, so i don´t see how Akuma could not only predict and counter an technique he doesnt know about of someone who has the same speed as him.


Also, Akuma teleporting is absolutely useless against Goku´s.

Akuma cannot sense ki nor would know to look for Goku on King Kai´s, Earth or even Namek. And the Satsuni no hadou has been stated to be a force of evil, so the spirit bomb would have effect on Akuma.

Even if you take Goku´s Spirit bomb away, he can always charge his Kamehameha or other techniques in that time instead.
 
@Cal

I'm pretty sure that after years of martial arts training, fighting enemies of of mystical and alien origins, and learning dozens of techniques, one of which allows him to teleport while chargeing a kamehameha, he would have no problem blocking a flurry of punches coming at the same speed as his punches. And even if Oni can keep up the pressure with his superior stamina, it's not like Goku's gonna stand there and keep blocking. Once he realizes he's can't outlast this guy in stamina, he's gonna uses Instanst Transmission to get away.
 
I disagree with most of you who say Goku has to charge the spirit bomb in front of Akuma.

He can teleport instantly to Namek or any other place and charge it there.


Akuma hasnt shown to be able to track ki down and in my opinion, its quite unlikely for Akuma to be able to reach Goku whenever he went to charge any attack he wants and launch it back with ease by tracking Akuma´s ki down.
 
Goku is a pure as Gouken, if not, less so, because Goku is selfish and uses rage and has killed. Gouken was rendered near death for years and was only alive becasue of the Power of Nothingness.

If you're talking about the IT Kamehameha, then Oni isn't going to just sit there and allow Goku to set it up.

What proof do you have for that. Like, at all.

Why would Akuma just sit there for minutes while Goku leaves the battlefield. Anyone would've moved on by then. And the case is still the same if he charges up anything else in that time.
 
Basically what Miles said. You cannot say "Oh I explained this or that" and assume/think you are right especially when others disagree with you and give reasons as to why the spirit bomb would work.

"beaten to a bloody pulp" so what? I did mention that in the fight. You didnt even counter me saying "You dont need to be charging the spirit bomb for it to be there" He can take time slots as to when he will charge it. The energy will remain there unless Akuma destroys it, only then, it will destroy him cause, well. Demon. Spirit bomb eaisly destroys Akuma.

Anyway, isn't 7 votes counted as victory and added to Goku's page?
 
The real cal howard said:
No. He gets stronger the more he gets beaten to near death. He doesn't have reactive evolution.
I have explained the IT Kamehameha several times. I've stated that Akuma also has teleportation and powerful ki blasts, so IT Kamehameha is moot, and when it was used, he had to have everyone focused on the planet busting Kamehameha instead of the technique.
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hey i never said he does it like black goku or hit, i simply meant that he kinda adaps to the fighting style or whatever, but not that he gets 2 times stronger or something. and i already told you he doesn't need them to be focused on the planet busting, he uses IT when they're fighting seriously, like when he used it against copy vegeta so why can he do the same while charging the kamehameha
 
If an argument is debunked, then the reasoning is debunked. And Miles' argument holds no water because it never happened before for the leaving and coming back, and Goku would be hit with the raging demon in the meantime if he stays. A one-shot technique. What will the spirit bomb do if Goku is dead?

Also, the opponent has to be up by three, and even then, there's a day grace period.
 
Sore wa chigau yo.


@CAL

Sorry, but that is one of Goku´s major advantages in this fight.

He can track and sense Akuma´s ki down, Akuma can´t.

Goku could easly teleport aay from the planet, charge his attacks somewhere else and easly deliver the attack in front of Akuma even if he moved to another planet. (Isn´t Goku´s Instant Transmission range at least galactic? That is far anough for me. I dont see proof of Akuma moving trillions of solar systems while Goku just says "Kamehameha". Specially when Akuma doesn´t even have a reason to worry or move away because he hasnt shown to be able to sense ki like Goku can.
 
Why is the IT Kamehameha useless? Goku can charge up, then instantly tp in front of Oni, then behind, back to front, to the side, and back to the front, and fire, so it's obviously gonna keep Oni on his toes. With speed equalized, Oni can probably dodge it, but now Oni is gonna have a harder time keeping up. It's certainly not useless.
 
@AO. Because that's a Goku MUCH more down the line. Otherwise, Goku would be capable of spamming IT, which he doesn't yet. Also, any super experienced fighter can do that. It's not a special ability of Goku.

@Miles. Once again. He has never done that. Ever. Not once has Goku tracked someone down with IT to do an IT Kamehameha. That's reaching. And it's out of character. Akuma doesn't have to be worried to get bored and move on when his opponent is nowhere to be found.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Why is the IT Kamehameha useless? Goku can charge up, then instantly tp in front of Oni, then behind, back to front, to the side, and back to the front, and fire, so it's obviously gonna keep Oni on his toes. With speed equalized, Oni can probably dodge it, but now Oni is gonna have a harder time keeping up. It's certainly not useless.
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you and me are both asking the same question
 
Not to mention that, again, Akuma has no knowledge of Goku´s techniques.

He wouldn´t know to go intangible for a Solar Flare, he wouldn´t be able to figure out if Goku teleported away or just dissapeared, and as explained earlier, Akuma has no way to track Goku down.


Even if Asura has 6 hands and Goku only has too, he has shown to be able to keep up with opponent with multiple hands, like Ten Shin Han back on earth.


At the bare mininum, he would be able to dodge or counter 1/3rd of the raging demon, which is not a 1 hit kill, its a combo.
 
@PT. Never done it like that before. And once again. Akuma can teleport and fire powerful blasts of ki too. IT Kamehameha isn't useless per se. It just will NOT be a reason for Goku to win.
 
The real cal howard said:
@PT. Never done it like that before. And once again. Akuma can teleport and fire powerful blasts of ki too. IT Kamehameha isn't useless per se. It just will NOT be a reason for Goku to win.
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yes he can teleport, but he doesn't know where goku would be and he can't track goku's movements
 
The real cal howard said:
@AO. Because that's a Goku MUCH more down the line. Otherwise, Goku would be capable of spamming IT, which he doesn't yet. Also, any super experienced fighter can do that. It's not a special ability of Goku.
@Miles. Once again. He has never done that. Ever. Not once has Goku tracked someone down with IT to do an IT Kamehameha. That's reaching. And it's out of character. Akuma doesn't have to be worried to get bored and move on when his opponent is nowhere to be found.
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Are you implying he CAN´T track people down with his ki?

He has done so with Gohan in the Buu Saga and in the Ressurrection F saga.

Not to mention Cell, which is the most clear example of this fight.


Also, Akuma would have insane ADHD for getting bored for not seeing his opponent for 3 seconds, instead of wondering where he went or if he just dissapeared.


I think the element of surprise AND in the fact that his teleport is canonically instant, that this fight would end exactly like in Goku vs Cell in the Cell Games.


Exept this time, Oni won´t regrow his head.
 
That's not spamming in the slightest aspect of the definition, @PTS. That fits more under the definition of a "gambit"

@AO. Same with Goku to Akuma. He can't predict where the latter will be, just like Akuma can't predict where Goku will be.
 
The real cal howard said:
That's not spamming in the slightest aspect of the definition, @PTS. That fits more under the definition of a "gambit"
@AO. Same with Goku to Akuma. He can't predict where the latter will be, just like Akuma can't predict where Goku will be.
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How can Akuma predict Goku? Goku can always sense his ki down.
 
The real cal howard said:
That's not spamming in the slightest aspect of the definition, @PTS. That fits more under the definition of a "gambit"
@AO. Same with Goku to Akuma. He can't predict where the latter will be, just like Akuma can't predict where Goku will be.
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he can thanks to ki sensing, his reach galactic, so im pretty sure he can track him
 
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