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Hey, you cannot take away an attack with something as "rarely uses it anyways".The real cal howard said:Wow, the Shun Goku Satsu is being downplayed here. Not only has it worked on people like Goku (aka Gouken), but Goku is only pure by DB standards. Soul hax is soul hax, and given that it's Akuma's signature attack, he'll use it to win. Goku rarely pulls out the Solar Flare (so rarely that it is upsetting to see people use it in vs matches), and both have enough skills/experience to render the others moot, so that shouldn't be brought up either.
Also, he turned to stone AFTER 500 years. Not DURING 500 years, @Xantospoc
well your right, but can i ask, could it be that gouken was affected by it thanks to Plot convinience?The real cal howard said:@AO. I mean in DB, even if you kill, fight, have bouts of rage, and be selfish, you can be pure if it's for the right reasons. Even Vegeta is considered pure after his redemption. Given that Gouken, who is basically the purest person in the verse, became comatose for years and only survived because of the PoN.
@EnoYaka. Yes, but again, DB standards.
well if both are in character, then i'd say inconclusive, but if both are bloodlusted then goku could win since he'd just use his instant kamehameha to kill him right awayPTSOXMONKEY99 said:Just to throw my two cents in, I think the Raging Demon could do some damage to Goku, since it's obvious he does have inner rage and can be selfish, what with his desire for battle, but like Gouken and Ryu, all he desires is to find a worthy opponent and protect his loved ones. Since most of the pain and damage comes from the Raging Demon comes from it turning your own sins against you, I don't think it will be an instant kill, but it will do some damage. Also, knowing Akuma's love of battle and search for a worthy opponent, I doubt he's gonna want to bust out his best and most lethal move from the getgo.
Also, much like Goku, Akuma likes to hold back to drag fights out to see if they are a worthy opponents. While I'm not sure if this applies to Asura's Wrath! Oni Akuma, I think it is something to think about.
Also, saying that Goku hasn't used a technique in a while isn't a good enough reason to take away a technique. He only started using Kaioken again just recently.
he didn't need to convince themThe real cal howard said:Akuma's first appearance was blindsiding someone with a technique.
Raging Demon rekt Gouken, which disapproves it not one shotting.
Oni in itself is basically Broly. Rage incarnate.
We don't assume that for anyone, because this is in character. Even bloodlusted I don't see him using it. I can count on one hand how many times Goku used the SF. Not to mention that while awesome, Goku using the KK then was an a**pull
@Miles. As I stated above, Goku rarely uses the SF, and it's basically useless at this level of skill, and it's not like akuma cant both, teleport and use ki blasts. Besides, even the Warp Kamehameha had some prep behind it, as it required convincing everyone that he was gonna take out the planet to defeat Cell. Oni doesn't care about that.
yes they were convinced but why do they need to be convinced, its not like goku need to convince someone in order for him to use kamehameha or instant transmisionThe real cal howard said:https://youtu.be/k5lwNsKbC4E
Pretty sure everyone, including Cell, was just standing there scared s***less
plot convinienceThe real cal howard said:@AO. Even if we use DB standards, there's still the matter of Gouken.