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Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer

It really depends I mean. If we were to use good guy Cole, Alex would possibly win with much effort and his limps probably being destroyed. However, if we were to use bad guy Cole, Alex and the Beast can par up or the bad Colet takes a borderline win. However, yes Cole's mostly tier 7 but we never know how powerful Alex TRULY is. In the game of prototype 2, James killed Alex by consuming him(Ow my heart), he released a huge amount of tendrils all over New York Zero. Think what would happen if he were to use full out devastator like what you could do in the gameplay. What's more, Alex devoured a bunch of Evolved and is actually a lot stronger, faster and better than James. The reason why James was able to beat Alex was because Mercer was too cocky and too stubborn to change fighting ways. In summary, Alex could at least destroy half to three-quarter of New York Zero, when he was, let say, 'ubercharged'(Meaning his eyes turn orange, all his organs become weirder and all that other awesome, crazy shit). One last thing, evil Cole was trying to stop Nix from hurting John White, who was quite injured during battle(I believe). His powers would be depleted and slowly regaining. He might destroy less than what he did to Empire City. Even with Cole's powers, he might be able to destroy the city once more. Therefore, Alex can beat Good Cole and could defeat Beast Cole but almost dead in the aftermath or Beast Cole could destroy Alex. In my opinion, Alex Mercer takes the win
 
Actually john had taken a nuke to the face yet regened from it and kept on moving. Not only is nix weakening john a plot device if we take that as it happen than nix is ******* town to city level bases on the devastion of that nuke. Bad Cole vs Mercer is a win for Cole. Good Cole is a hard press for Mercer and I say he has it 6/10 but it could go either way.
 
Something I want to point out everyone. This could prove to be an advantage for Cole. You know how Mercer can disguise himself? Well if he ended up doing that to try and trick Cole, it wouldn't work. Cole would give him the element of surprise due to his Radar Pulse. Due to it. Cole would know that's Mercer in disguise.

Let's also not forget about Mercer's two main weaknesses. Electricity and Cold. Something Cole possesses.
 
I'm legitimitely surprised and happy that people believe that Cole wins against Alex now. And people used to say Alex beats Cole. Thank you turbonuke lightning storm and Cross for making this come true

Also yeah Cole's DC output is Small Town to City for beating the Beast anyway
 
See, that's the ******* point, Mike. You didn't tell us which cole we are using and for the record, some say that the story goes with the good karmic, despite the game is called infamous, since infamous second son continues with good karma. But seriously though, bad Cole can obliterate Alex if all I care.But, good Cole is still a thing to go over. Remember how that general dude fought Alex in an infected Hive building or some shit? You know, the guy who betrayed him and became a supreme hunter in the end of the first game? Yeah, that asshole. He fought him with a tazing baton. Alex got quite injured from him, depending on the game difficulty, and if we were to go over to him being struck by Cole's ionic storm then he might survive thatnks to his powerful durability that let him survive a bomb 5 times the one that hit Hiroshimea and the halfed durability that could easily wipe New York from the face of the Earth. And Alex have a healing factor that allows him to heal a littlbe bit slower than consuming others. Cole runs as fast as an above average olympic runner on foot and can move almost as fast as the train in infamous 1 on the railway tracks. If we were to bring in environmental help, it might help both of them as Alex can use buliding structures to miss Cole's range attacks since Cole wouldn't be that dumb to stirke an ionic storm upon a building that he's in and Cole can have a huge supply of electricity to heal up and gain more power to fight. His ice powers are his grenades and rockets and Alex can dodge those with ease. That's basically it. However, Alex have the ability called adrenaline surge or something which allows him invulnerability for a period of time to allow his healing factor to kick in once more when he have low health and have a chance of a single devastator. If he got struck by the ionic storm and survive, which is at least a 57% chance of survivability and at most 74% with Agile Armor and crtical mass, he can go up towards Cole and strike him with any type of devastators. There might even be a comic of infamous 2 and his reaction speed and reflexes might be faster than in the game, but I don't think his reflexes can match up with Alex's running speed and adaptive parkour like kessler who move faster than the eye could track. So, Mike, can we just end this debate with a stalemate since evil beast Cole wins and Alex wins against good cole?
 
Depends really what version od Cole we're using. Bad Cole has the advantage in the fight and could quite possibly win. Good Cole has disadvantage and could lose.

Both versions of Cole are extremely powerful against Alex but they are slower and weaker in terms of durability. Alex is much faster than Cole if there are no railways/powerlines.

Both are versatile fighters and have many powers in their arsenal. Alex has the advantage here in my opinion as he has Claws, Blade whip, Hammerfist, Blade arm, Shield, Armor, Hunter Sense, pseudo-flight etc. Though they are only close-mid range. Cole has the advantage in range and utility as he has kinetic pulse, levitation, pseudo-flight, grenades, lightning rockets, bolts, Supers. So here it's fight with brawn VS brain/tactics.

Though since Alex gains the memories and hence the knowledge of the people he consumes he may very well be the most strategic and intelligent person on the planet.

And then it's the question where they fight. If they fight in a city then it could go both ways. As Alex can consume biomass and Cole Electricity. Both are pretty much finite but given how much "health and power" they gain by absorbing then Alex has the advantage. If Cole could tap into a power plant or lightning storm then he would have the advantage.

The only way Cole wins is if he can accumulate enough raw power to destroy the entire existance of Alex. As he was able to survive 5x stronger nuke than the Fat man/Hiroshima Nuke, and regenerated from a single string by consuming a raven.
 
Evil Cole is quite a stomp and got bad news for you folks

The teleporters who can dodge bullets and lightning bolts, which seems to be faster than bullets, Those guys are fast enough to get around buildings and they're literally teleporters. Or at least if you're going to downball them they're flash steppers. They're constantly a blur when they teleport while Alex has no feat of ever being a blur.

Cole can see bullets with precision and probably faster

Alex clearly one shots Cole but the thing is? One shot is all it takes for Alex to go down since all of Cole's moves stun. And they might deal damage but once Alex gets stuck on the ground unable to loop? There's no going out of that

And flesh has never been a good defense against electricity

Calling Alex that would be fair. A shame he never tried doing that instead of gutting everything in his path. In fact if he was a super genius he would've figured out so many problems with way his story was going and a lot of events would be averted

If Good Cole is in the city he can get electricity from anywhere. It's abundant. Even if the power goes down, there's backup generators and cars and batteries. He can also just restart the power. On the other hand cole would tell the people to leave and if Alex goes after them, Cole can hit him with his Lightning bolts/homing attacks/AOE attacks/Mega tornado. Hell he could hit a civilian while dealing no damage to them and only electrocuting Alex before he consumes them

Alex didn't tank that nuke. He was barely alive. And if he did it's probably that same Ability that temporarily turns him invulnerable before he dies. Cole's lightning storm is the same one that had the similar output as a nuke which took down the Beast. He has enough DC to take down the Beast with his normal abilities in the beginning of infamous 2, midway through the final fight, and at the end of infamous 2. He has Small City to Town Level DC.

Cole wins this.

Alex is not faster than lightning and he will not be ready for a vast majority of Cole's attacks. Especially the mega tornado that comes out of nowhere. Alex would be dead if it weren't for that crow
 
And guess what, COB? Cole's bolts already stop moving as fast as the speed of lightning. See the difference between infamous 1 and 2. If you have both games like I do, many regular bolts stop moving as fast as lightning. The only bolts that move as fast are the precision bolt, magnum bolt and the ionic storm. And does Cole always have such great precision? Not always because it only depends on the player. The best accurate bolt is the precision which takes in more electricity than regular bolts. And can Alex dodge the regular bolts? Yes, he can and he can dodge them with the dodge system in prototype 2. You know how the dodge system works, do you all prototype 2 players? It gives the playable character a moment of slow motion for Alex to jump over Cole's ionic vortex up close and its not called a mega tornado, COB. That would leave Cole in a vulnerable state once his surprisingly invulnerable ability after every ionic technique fades. And it depends on which city they're all fighting in. They maybe in New York Zero where everyone know about Alex's whereabouts and they are still in the same area pouncing around or they maybe in New Marais or Empire City where no one knows who the **** Alex is! Even if they believe Cole and shit in his cities, they run as slow as ever and since Cole gets such advantage of electricity from generators and shit, Alex has magic that allows him to disappear from Macgrath's sight with the help of the buildings. Speaking of so, his radar pulse maybe helpful but that only helps him with the player's camera which is what we all see with the karma bar, the power bar, ionic circle things, the MAP that Cole CAN'T see, and so on. Hell, in a side mission Cole was adviced about a certain person that he must subdue or kill and if you tried using his radar pulse, you still cant find that red dot, do you Mike? With that, Alex can be out of sight and Cole doesn't know where he is. And Alex can use the height of a building and dive bomb on Cole who still doesn't know where he is yet. He can even pull out a ground spike devastator upon him and kill him. What's more, Cole's ionic storm only focus on on person in infamous 2. It works differently in infamous 11 since you can move it and shit. So in a way it's a little bit better since it's not a burden to move it around and a little bit harder for Alex to outrun but thanks to his amazing powers to be invulnerable with the ability adrenaline surge. Also, once Cole absorbs the generator or anything with electricity, he have to repeatedly charge it with his bolts and grenades and other abilities which takes a huge time, even though there are more around the . So which are do you want them to be in, COB? If its a place filled with electricity, then you're trying to cheat Cole in favour. And what' say you now?
 
Fair enough, but in the comics and game cutscenes Cole has been shown to use of arcs of electricity. And I do have both games, Prototype 1, and the infamous FoB DLC, not that anyone cares much abotu that. In canon it's shown that Cole's lightning is fast enough to quickly strike down multiple running targets around him (namely a platoon of soldiers and a chopper going on an all out attack). Even if you disregard that there's also the fact that his attacks, which is a baseline magnum bolt

Cole can shoot down a precision plane from afar, and strike down city block distance opponents. Comic wise at least it shows him easily beating the military while dodging bullets from a chopper minigun, I can show a scan if needed

It does depend on player but are you really going to use that tactic? There's still precision and he has shown multiples times that he has great aim. If you suck at aiming, you suck at it. But if you can hit head shots multiple times with bolts, it should be easy for Cole to use arcs of lightning.

Alex could barely dodge bullets which he seem to aim dodge after he gets shot at. Lightning bolts of Cole? He could quickly adjust his aim against enemies that either teleport or keep moving around. He dealt with fast opponents before Alex won't be any different especially with homing attacks and AoE attacks. Alex can't calculate the exactly angle of where Cole would shoot since he can shoot out an attack from multiple angles, and all Alex knows is he's pointing forward.

Comparing lightning to bullets is a bit wrong to do. Especially if Cole can control the path of his electricity. You're referring to the quick time ability aren't you? At best you can call it a reflex booster but so what? If he dodges the inital attack, then mid roll Cole will just fire another bolt. Hell Cole can use precision and while Alex is rolling could easily hit him. And that's if you accept that Gameplay Mechanic-esque ability

Slow motion? Would he even expect a tornado out of nowhere? He wouldn't. It's instant and Cole only does it by swinging his hands. He won't expect that at all. Vulnerable state? Not even. Especialyl if Alex gets caught up in that tornado while being torn apart by lightning

So what? Location

New York Zero - People know Alex ,they avoid him and military are around. Cole has shown to stomp the military before in the comics and the infected will be certainly a hassle but you're giving Alex way too much advantage

New Marais/Empire City - Regardless of whether people know Alex or not they'll certain follow Cole's commands to escape because there's a mutant/wild conduit out there. Any sane person would do that and even in game they do that. So who cares? They'll follow Cole's commands if he's a hero, and if he's evil? They just run

Magic?....

Well regardless here comes the benefit of radar pulse which keeps track of enemies no matter what. Even teleporters can't escape it. That's how useful it is. And why would Alex hide? If he sees Cole he'll assume he's weak or at least fights close up and personal. He won't expect him to wield lightning at first. I don't take Alex as the running and hiding from that one man type either.

You use the Gameplay Mechanic of Quick Reflexes as an ability yet downplay Cole's ability of radar pulse which he has shwon to use in his story. It detects multiple city blocks. You won't be getting out of that. And why do you keep calling people Mike? Cole will know where Alex is heading and if Alex runs, isn't that technically a defeat if he stays away too long? Again, keeping track of teleporters that get to rooftops in seconds

For someone who claims to have all his games, you don't seem to know a lot of his feats. Cole is not a dumbass who doesn't look up either. Radar Pulse will keep track of Alex no matter what especially if he's close. Which is a problem since he has only melee attacks, and his guns are thwarted by magnetism and Polarity Wall. Projectiles by magnetism again.

You mean that ability that takes a second or two to charge up? Kinda like the teleporters charging up? Cole is not an idiot. He'll sense the ground rumbling and dodge before he could get hit.

So? Storywise he's shown to summon a lightning storm, and in the comics he accurately struck down multiple enemies scattered around a wide battlefield. It's literally lightning bolts raining from the sky so there's no escaping that. Alex cannot move faster than lightning and even if you claim he can 'aim dodge' Cole will only use it when Alex is stunned or down to make sure it hits. And one strike is ALL it takes to put down Alex. One attack will stun him, cancelling his Regenerationn, preventing his movements and dealing internal damage.

What are you talking about? In Infamous 2 a single tap could overcharge one. Even in Infamous 1 you can fully charge a substation/multiple city blocks with only a few shots. That is not repeatedly charging up.

There's no point to it really. The location has to be a city with people no matter what. Putting them in a nuclear plant (too much advantage for Cole) or forest (too much advantage on Alex).

Denyinh Cole electricity is like denying Superman the power of the sun in a fight against Goku. No matter what it's fair game anyway. As long as there's a city either of them can get some energy from what they need (electricity/biomass) the only issue is? No matter what Cole can easily command the masses because he's a hero. To say Cole is cheating because there's too much electricity in the city is absurd seeing as how that is technology. Alex can still try to take down the power but then again even if they were alone on an island, as long as Cole hits Alex he'll be recharging his energy.

Your counters have been

Alex can avoid Radar Pulse

Alex is much faster than Cole and can therefore ambush him


My points?

Alex can only dodge Cole's omnidirectional radar if he's city blocks away. Which is a bad thing because he needs to be close to deal any damage and if he's in character or even bloodlusted he'll be fighting close up.

Alex is not faster than lightning which Cole has shown to wield and not just with lightning botls from the sky or his hands (which is referenced in game). He also has homing rockets, homing lightning, area of effect attacks that Alex cannot predict since he never met someone like him before. Not to mention the closer Alex gets? The easier it is to hit him with a shockwave that reverses gravity

And Cole has much more useful ambush attacks than Alex. His gigawatt blades cut off a giant mutant with super strength easily taking out the military and unfazed by a building buster bomb which it took point on. Instafreeze wave with a swing of his hands which look more like ice spikes. Alex won't expect to be frozen and in that time he tries to get out, enough time for a storm.

Also your formatting is kinda hard to read. Mind fixing that? Thanks in advance
 
I still can do another comeback, dude. Did all the people in New York flee fast enought to get away from Alex? No. Can Alex avoid Cole's ionic vortex? Yes! Why? Because even if he was in long range he can see the attack created by Cole's hands. His dodge system works when an incoming attack is visible which Cole's ionic vortex ISN'T INSTANT! If it is, Cole's vortex could have popped out without any animation. If you don't know what the actual **** instant means is that it does something without the use of time. Did Cole need time to create the vortex? YES! Observe his technique CLOSELY. Then you will know and Alex can BACKFLIP over his enemies and DOESN'T dodge in any other way. Yes he could dodge other ways but in close range he DOESN'T.

And does the military move faster than Alex? No! They stayed at one position and aimed at him. Can Alex outrun a gatling gun? Yes. In HIS comic. And if we were to bring their fight to New Marais or Empire City, Cole has the advantage which is an unfair disadvantage for Alex. Even if they listen to him, SOME would come and join the fight by tossing rocks at Alex which is nothing compared to bullets and Alex have mutation awards and one allows him bulletproof skin. Also, humans flee as slow as hell, compared to Cole and Alex. Cole could keep up with them quite easily while Alex can speed blitz them. Even if Cole's shooting at him, Alex can hide behind buildings for cover or quickly go up towards a car and throw it at Cole who need to backflip or jump over with ice launch or 'electric jump' on a car to dodge it.

And when he is distracted, poof Alex can disappear from his sight to consume and heal or stay and toss another car at him, since you enjoyed getting their fights to cities so there should be vehicles around. And between Cole's city and Alex's is best Cole's since in New York Zero, no one and I mean no one would care for more freaks of nature roaming around their city. New York Zero is more overkill because even though Cole tanked only a military GROUP whereas Alex tanked military BASES with the inclusion of reinforcement aircrafts, multiple groups and large Bane guys. If Cole can tank the military then prove how large the military is with images.

So if we put them in such a place, there won't be anyone to listen to and anyone who knows nothing. Even if Cole's a hero, no one knows this hero and no one broadcast about him and if it were to be broadcast, THAT would be an advantage for Cole. Yes even if he was electrocuted, he's like James who had been burned alive, even though being electrocuted and burned are completely different. But, in reality, there is chance for a human to live from a lightning strike and even though Cole's ionic storm can injure the Beast but the Beast ate a nuke that is at least town level. Cole's ionic storm only crack his face and it may have been said that Cole's attack potency or destructive capacity is town level, it is because he could weaken the Beast. And, just like James, he can survive an explosion at the first evolution with no mutation awards.

Alex even survived the 5x hiroshima nuke. Once Alex had been struck by lightning AND survive, he can play dead like James and wait for Cole to turn his back. And does Cole completely obliterate something that is already dead? Probably. But once Cole turn his back, Alex can stealth kill him. I have not much education with the Radar Pulse and I don't think it could automatically detect attacks from behind. And what I meant by magic was sarcasm that he had talent to escape. And don't bring up the subject of Superman vs Goku again. If you hadn't known, Goku can beat Superman but its based on which Superman thanks to Dragon Ball Super.

So there, humans CAN survive lightning and Cole's ionic freeze ISN'T instant. I checked everything for the signs of instant in wikipedia. I observed the game powers. Are the ionic vortex and freeze instant which means no time needed and Cole USES time to CREATE the technique? NO! If the camera was in slow motion for a while during a dodge attempt, this means Alex would be able to realise that an attack was about to occur. Cole can injure mutants but they don't have much attack potency to what Alex had to deal with in his two games. A Goliath which is a huge infected that is the size of a small building have a large hammer like arm that can easily crush a building into waste. But are Cole's ambush attacks more powerful? Depends, whether he use ionic powers as well or other powers he use. He can spam as much grenades and missiles but Alex can dodge them like the gatling gun. Even if it were to be homing, he can dodge them like in his own video game, even if the best solution is blocking them. If it were to be homing bolts, then **** it. He can take it on like the SAME THING AS Cole's NORMAL enemies.

It took fve to six normal bolts to take them down and as they got shock for one time, they can recover and attack back. It took almost FIVE normal bolts to shock someone down and it take a few seconds to shock the same normal human being with a taser with just one zap. The general dude had a tazing baton that shocked Alex so many times but he got up just fine. So, what do you have to say?
 
Nope~ Because they're all dumb ***** who won't even run from a guy flying in front of them nor would they react to any of that~ But for real, I played it. They CAN run away from you pretty damn fast. It's just that it's hard to pick whether one should die to the infected hordes or to that hooded op guy or the military

Then here's a question for you, would Cole use if Alex is far? What is he a dumbass? Why use an attack like that? The way I see it Cole will only use Vortex when Alex uses a devastator, which in turn leaves Alex vulnerable when he uses. And that electric vortex will destroy any devastator that isn't Critical Pain. Only other way Cole will use it is if Alex is almost in front of him. Although I do admit I'm a bit wrong, half a second of animation is still nothing compared to Alex's seconds of charge time on the majority of his attacks.

Wait.... are you telling me Alex can backflip out of the electric tornado that pulls cars towards it in a wide area and electrocuting everything else not caught with sparks? :D How brilliant! Hah! It has a pull of its own and if it could lift cars then Alex is going to get caught. Don't kid yourself

Also you're getting mad. Gotta keep a cool head man. Otherwise whatever boasts you have about a comeback will mean nothing. That's how you win debates and all, keeping a cool head. Unless you're one of those guys that just scream and scream, you seem like a nice guy so I hope we don't fall into that situation.

You mean aim dodging? Cool. What's the advantage? IF you're complaining about it so much just put them at a city they don't know about. And civilians are helpful, not stupid. If they see some guy survive explosions they're not going to be tossing rocks. Cole has a greater command over them. If your hero tells you to run instead of fight and die, you'll run. That's a certainity

Speed blitz means they won't see what's coming. And I do agree that civilians are just normal folks. But there's no chance in hell Cole will let Alex consume. Your argument is Alex speed > Lightning Speed and how his speed is enough to dodge HOMING electric rockets. Please do think about that. And if this is a battle Alex is looking to fight, not dodge. So what's the point of bulletproof skin against energy attacks?

Or you know, Cole can toss that away before it even hits him with magnetism. Like in the comics? No need to waste too much energy on that. I repeat, Cole will always keep Alex on his sight and if he turns his back on him, he's gonna get hit a looot easier

And Cole can recharge his energy in return for that. Vehicles are fair. Gee I don't know man, beating up a monster that was casualling beating an army while Cole also shown feats of defeating an army faster than Alex? Those are some nice feats. And that'll be too much help for Alex isn't it? Then again Cole can easily destroy choppers and tanks as shown in the comics.

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There's also the feats of

- Beating the two factions that can stomp the military, aka the Corrupted which has shown in a comic cutscene that they can be the new superweapons of the world, alongside the elitre military of Vermaak 88

- And beating the First Sons, an organization 100 years ahead of their time

So I'm pretty sure he can beat military folks easily

And what kind of dumbass would stay and watch a fight that is destroying buildings? Everyone would run regardless. This isn't Prototype where people think about their dinner when some guy beside them starts flying. Yes, REAL LIFE LIGHTNING leaves people alive. Meanwhile FICTIONAL LIGHTNING are pretty different. It doesn't help that Cole's lightning storm lasts for more than a couple of seconds when a real life lightning lasts for microseconds only. If one bolt of lightning can reach the temperature of the sun, just imagine how much more powerful would it be when it's extended?

Cracked its face? It destroyed half its body and forced it to regen. Weaken the beast? He fought that thing front to front. Near the end he just empowered himself and stomped the beast with pure attacks, defeating it BEFORE using the RFI. That's not weakening The Beast. But point is, the lightning storm is still going to wreck Alex since he DIDN'T tank a nuke. He survived it and was a goop and needed a raven to revive.

Cole isn't an idiot. His radar pulse detects hostile intent and unnatural phenomena. He never turns his back and once Alex is a goop, he'll either freeze him or turn him into ash. For someone who claims you have both infamous, you really think of him as an idiot huh. And it does. It's his constantly turned on radar after all.

Fair point, especially with the verse buffs on Goku. Guessing you're pissed that SA used a composite Superman then?

Look above. And regardless of whether these two are instant or not, they'll be something Alex doesn't expect. The Ionic Freeze looks like a wall of spike that harms enemies so Alex will just dodge the spikes. But he will NOT expect Ionix Freeze 'freeze' cloud. Seeing as their DC is Town to city level and considering he stomps militaries? Probably just even.

Why spam grenades against something fast? He did that before against teleporters and it didn't end well. He'll use bolts, homing rockets and shockwaves. Try to dodge Redirect Rockets and Sticky Rockets. Which track you down. The only homing thing he dodges is Javelin Rockets and those are less accurate thatn Cole's

You mean like electric bolts? The homing arcs of lightning? Enough to power substations and easily fry steel?

Conduit enemies are stronger than normal. It's like RWBY with their Aura. Mooks aren't just mooks. But if you hit a civilian once they go down fast. You can simply say that the enemies are much stronger than the conduits which makes sense considering they have powers or enhance physical stats like ALL conduits. But you argue that but let me point you to Cross.

He got shocked and took damage as equal to a rocket that deals heavy damage to him. That IS NOT just fine. Against Cole who has much more output? Cole will fry him and stun him for a loooong time. No arguments have been made against it since Cross has shown to fry Walkers and Runners with these before so it's legit.

That's what I have to say. Cole still wins with ease

Because Alex can't tank lightning with fles, because Alex can't dodge homing rockets and lightning nor tornadoes and freeze waves that pop out of nowhere (that even if they're not instant, are still pretty damn fast compared to Alex). Oh and Radar Pulse will still detect if Alex is alive considering Cole never took it easy against any big enemies.

Anyway gonna be gone for the whole day so gonna come back later.

For convenience sake let's just pit them on a setting that's fair alright? A random city with enough people and energy for them both. How's that?
 
And guess what, COB? The civilians are 'dumb' enough to go up against someone a league of their own. I played both infamous games and they're still dumb enough to go up against fully infamous Cole, other guys that have guns, and have powers of recyclable metal. Those metal power guys are the Dust and their giant guy have been battling both Cole and a large crowd of civilians in my game. No cheats. No nothing. But now that we change the battlefield, this shit doesn't matter anymore. And what I meant that Alex can dodge Cole's ionic vortex is because Cole only spun around while creating the vortex in somewhere a second and did a 360 degree turn to toss it at the same direction where he first started to spin and you can't change the direction he was aiming AT ALL. And I'm making all this capitalised words because their keywords of what I'm saying. And all-star battle royale isn't a legitimate game because if it were to be so, Cole could have defeated the Beast.

Therefore, there isn't any evidence that Cole can control the vortex and he can't. So, at the split second Cole was about to strike his vortex at Alex. Alex can just backflip over Cole before he could let out his vortex which missed Alex since the vortex moved forward only. Even if automatically move to enemies such as Alex, he could flee off. Also, even though Cole isn't 'stupid', so is Alex. Homing rockets have been dodged, including electric rockets. Even though they are made of lightning doesn't mean jack shit that it could move as fast as lightning. At all.

Speaking of speed, I never said jack shit about Alex's mach 1-25 speed beats lightning speed. No! I'm saying that his speed can at least go toe to toe to Cole's reaction speed and reflexes WHICH IS THE NECESSARY ASPECT TO ALLOW YOUR PRECISION AND ACCURACY OF YOUR BOLTS TO BE ABLE TO BE SHOT OUT FASTER WITH REFLEXES. Without reflexes, Cole's bolts will be shot out slower and I don't mean the bolts move slower I'm saying that they will be shot SLOWER. And I'm not raging but very pissed off because of you. I had to redo so many paragraphs to get this shit into your head. So, in the second Cole brings down his arms for and ionic storm, that's the time Alex can dodge out of the way. Not by beating lightning speed, but by beating timing. There's a certain timing that Alex can have the opportunity to at least dodge to another area where he gets fried less. Yes, the lightning strike does spread to other places, but Alex can survive it. It only depends on the ionization and amount of electrons to fry a person. Without real life logic, such fictional lightning doesn't work the same.

Cole's electricity can break some logics and laws of physics like being able to use it as a thether and shooting out fictional electric grenades (Not EMP) and rockets. And infamous elements are almost the same as real life, except for some second son elements. And even if he was able to strike down part of the Beast who HAS BEEN WEAKEN by both Nix and Cole's ionic storm, it still doesn't mean that he is able to defeat the Beast because the Beast will always come back after being almost incinerated. Cole can't vaporize him atom by atom. It would take weeks to do so and preventing him from regenerating Remember him eating a nuke? Yeah. Cole can't beat the Beast but only weaken him to a near death state. Even if the Beast was down to his knee in the cutscene, it doesn't mean his going to die but dying to a state where he can just become particles and regenerate like after taking a nuke. That is the reason why Cole needs to use RFI or whatever its called. Cole's ionic storm may be building attack potency or so.

But, the thing about Cole's BOLTS is that they stopped moving as fast as lightning anymore. I keep stressing with you with that. You look at the difference between both games. Time the bolts. Which is much slower? Infamous 2. And which one is the leading story? Infamous 2. It's already as slow as a normal ki blast in every dbz game. And it's possible to dodge them. If dbz characters that VISIBLY fast to dodge a slow ki blast like that, besides the use of speed teleportation, Alex can against such an attack and won't be at far to try and harm Cole since he will come closer towards him and attack him in close range. And Alex can dodge the ionic freeze because Cole's arms emitted cold air while readying an ionic freeze before releasing it. It is very visible and Alex can see it as well. Alex also could do such ground spike technique WITHOUT the use of his devastators.

Why? Because in prototype 2, much less than a few seconds to a second like Cole, he can use his Hammerfists and create a directed ground spike attack just like Cole and can move as fast and becomes larger as it continues to move at the same direction. He can also dodge the homing rockets with environmental support. He can dodge them by leading them to nearby walls and jump at the split second they were about to hit him. Homing missiles can be tricked like so many other action shows and movies. And guess what? A militia soldier took a normal electric bolt to the face. Are they conduits? No. And they survived.

If someone like them can survive a bolt like that and is human, it proves that Alex too can survive electricity like that as well. The militia even continued to shoot at you after you already shot him once. And Alex won't stop moving and once he's hit, he can shake it off like the others while in mid-air. Even if he were to be shot on the ground and get repeatedly, he'll still be fine because he had more health than usual. He fought with Agent Smith when his health wasn't too much and his fully potential health, including crtical mass, is much higher. Hell, does Cole's electric bolts do much against matter, besides that comic scene when he caused an outburst upon the military soldiers? What's its attack potency? Against soldiers that are the same as human show much difference between a tazer and a bolt.

Even if Cole shot at Alex's body repeatedly until he lost all his energy, Alex's body will only be fried, just like James at the beginning of the second game. James consumed a soldier and that's all he took to completely heal his entire body without the mutation award of self-regenerate. And beore you go saying Cole still has his eyes on Alex, Cole won't when Alex hides behind the environment of the city away from Cole who run slower than him and still wouldn't keep up with the railways and any lines. And Alex can just consume more to regenerate. Alex is not some dumb beserker from RPG games and doesn't always need to go hulk on his enemies. He once was a biochemist and learned some martial arts back in his days. Because if you were to play the first game, he knows a little bit of boxing and kicking. He, too, would have a decent record of his intelligence to be able to become a GENTEK scientist.

Even if none of this would help him, he has experienced being the Prototype and after consuming enough Evolveds, he's able to become stronger and faster than James Heller. The only reason why he lost because he screwed up and decided to go full hulk but he does dodge as well as the final boss. And yes, Cole does battle against teleporters but do they teleport EVERYTIME? And even if Cole did battle does ice conduit runners, did they always run towards you? Yes, they do. And they're more dumber in battle. Bertrand may have made them to be of use to all of the world and crap, how useful are they really? Hell, Alex moves a lot as the final boss. He even make an orange streak when he moved and the player had to move his camera towards him when he was upclose.

I stress one more time that Cole's ionic powers does not, at all, occur at the split second. At least a second is needed for every ionic technqiue. True, Alex's devastator takes hell to create but with mutation awards in prototype 2, he can do his devastators faster than 3 seconds, almost a second. And when he do it, he stomps on the ground and shoots out his tendrils. When he stomps on the ground, everyone jumps up, even a tank. Can Cole resist a shockwave created by the ground while still doing an ionic technique? Don't know. Probably not. And I repeat, Cole's ionic powers does not change direction when you execute them. Those ionic powers are mainly the vortex and freeze which good cole has and not ionic drain.

And even if Cole beat the military 'faster' than Alex, despit the lack of time info from the comics, how many men were there to shoot Cole? 10? 20? 50? How about against more than 200 with tanks, aircrafts and bane dudes? How about going up against an area that was overflowing of military squads roaming around in the same area, with the help of blackwatch and weapons that can kill hunters, brawlers, juggernauts and more? With so many detectors to notice infected. Even though this isn't a stealth battle, Alex was able to beat them all with his first game powers and can do much more with second game powers.

And oh wow, Cole can beat the first sons who was 100 years ahead of time. And what, become trained gunners and scientists? Same goes fro blackwatch and still was in present time. Alex can bring blackwatch to its knees as well. And the corrupted are those conduit monsters? the ones that are like dead space and a lot like the infected? Same with the infected. True Cole defeated bertrand and other smaller monsters but Blackwatch and the military can't do jackshit against a Goliath that James and Alex can beat. Even the infected were on Alex's side. The Goliath have a large hammer-like fist that is as large as the smallest building on Earth and can certainly destroy more than just one building, along with tanks and so on. Alex beat hydra monsters, Elizabeth greene and against a supreme hunter which was almost as strong as the Goliath and Alex beat one and one on a battleship full of blackwatch and their grenade launchers, rocket launchers and so on. And for the record, Alex fought that second supreme hunter which learned ground spike as well and can do it at a certain enemy when locked on.
 
Aren't you being a bit forceful on gameplay mechanics here? Although I do agree they're that dumb, it's not fair to limit the game feats to game feats. That'll be like saying the civilians in Prototype gives no shit about flying men.

All stars? Why bring that here? Even the normal vortex in-game has it electrocute anything it catches inside with sparks. And the reason why Alex is going to get caught is because he won't expect it when he's closing in. How would he know he's about to release the tornado at him? How does he know Cole isn't just tossing a bunch of rockets or grenades? All Stars-Cole is non-canon and would be a stomp for scaling to Raiden

So what if he can't control it? He can attack and push Alex into it. How would he know he's about to release the tornado at him? I repeat, how would he know lightning man can RELEASE A TORNADO out of nowhere. Let me capitalize my works too. You're speaking as if Alex knew from the start what all of Cole's moves can do and had prep time. That's a bit of a cheat isn't it?

You don't play the game at al ldo you? Cole has repeatedly shown in multipel cases that he can attack with lightning via storms, and bolts and in game in the story.

How the hell is Alex mach 25? He's supersonic at best. His reflexes which barely slow down bullets are at best supersonic. Meanwhile Cole has dealt with flash steppers and teleporters. He has tracked down UAVs and drones that can move at hypersonic speed which he has shot down in game too. Cole has a much more believable ability of amping up his reflexes that he used in the story, while the amplification of reflexes you keep referring to is a gameplay mechanic. Don't you realize that? Anda gain, Alex, is not faster than teleporters that Cole can at least keep track of. Alex is going to get hit since he has shown in numerous occasions of getting hit by rockets and bullets in game. He's not a blur, teleporters are. And guess what Cole deals with? Teleporters. Really, what is your proof that Alex is FASTER than Cole's reactions? If he gets hit by bullets everytime, I swear

I don't know, you seem like both.

I share the same sentiments on the pargraphs. Yet you tenaciously keep going with your argument despite being refuted. Oh well.

You mean the storm that locks in and homes in on the nearest BIGGEST BADDEST target? It's not going to be like in infamous 1 where the storm misses. It's going to be just like in the comics and Kessler where he accurately strikes him.

Survive a lightning bolt storm? Let me bring you a calc I made before.

Nuke is about 83,333,315.56 celsius (50,000,000 to 150,000,000) Fahrenheit hot

In 1 second, there's 30 microseconds of a terawatt.

In 30 microseconds, there's enough heat transfer of around 30,000 kevlins (53,540 Fahrenheit)

Sun on the other hand, outer surface is around 6,000 kevlins (10,340 Fahrenheit). Core of course is around 15,000,000 kevlins(27,000,000 Fahrenheit) but we don't care about that

That's five times hotter than the sun's outer surface

1000000 divided by 30 equals to 33,333.33

That would mean one second of Cole's prolonged lightning storm equals to about (33,333.33 x 4) 133,333.2 times the heat of the sun.

Appetizer = 1 second = 799,999,920 kevlins (800,000,000). That's more heat than a nuke in one second. By now one second of this you'd be dead

Note done yet. At maximum, Cole can prolong a lightning storm for 10 seconds if energy is full. Ionic storm is usually just around 4-5 seconds

Side Dish = Ionic Storm/4 second serving = 3,199,999,680 heat (3,200,000,000). That's 3.2 billion

Buffet = Lightning Storm/10 second serving = 7,999,999,200 (8,000,000,000). That's almost 8 billion

Eat all you Can - Karmic Overload + Lightning Storm/30 second = 23,999,997,600

Regardless of what length is used, Alex is gonna become goop. A semblance and a degree of logic and science has to be at least used for games like these since they're quite accurate with how they portray powers. Well mostly. Well here's the fictional lightning feat then.

> It took down The Beast before Cole was empowered. Second time? Cole's arsenal of basic attacks were too weak to harm it, yet stomped him on the next power up. Cole's lightning storm is going to vaporize The Beast if he could power up an RFI which can affect the entire world (Screw ISS' lore about conduits surviving)

> fiction lightning - Way more effective than real life lightning

The Beast regenerated to full health in seconds, maybe minutes whenever. At best it was stalled by those two sacrifices. And Alex is certainly no atom regenerator since the nuke feat was debunked, a hundred of times.

He needed the RFI to take it down for good alongside the plague. He was doing fine just beating up the Beast when he went all out.

> Sinks an aircraft carrier with a few seconds of the storm

> Destroys a mutant that's unaffected by miltiary arsenal

> Destroy force fields that reduce all of his attacks to nothing and is an organization 100 years ahead of their time

> Enough power to at least knock down the Beast

That's not building level. Not building level at all.

(Anymore) So gonna disregard the feats from infamous 1 and the comics? They're equally canon, NEITHER is the leading story. Infamous 1 is the foundation of Infamous! If that didn't exist Infamous 2 wouldn't exist! And Cole gets the magnum bolt anyway which is pretty much the same. You saw the links I linked you didn't I?

And are you seriously comparing two dfifferent games to each other? Really? They operate under different mechanics both visually and story wise.

> How can Alex SEE the freezing section of the Ionic Freeze when the only visible thing about it is the cold spikes? At best he'll assume that air is the cause of those spikes, not the 'freezing himself' part. Sides, Cole hides those two arms anyway

The one that takes a couple of second to charge up, requires Alex to stop moving and lets him be hit by lightning. Yes. That. That's at least better than devastators but Cole isn't going to stand still like an idiot

You keep talking about this but I really want to see this now. Mind giving me a link or a scan or something? Because again, he still has to slam his hands on the ground and that takes a bit of time that Cole can take advantage of. And do you think Cole isn't going to use a shockwave? AOE that ignores defenses? Sticky rockets kinda lock onto targets, dodging shields and reaches target hiding behind cover? So they should be able to do the same. If Alex makes some fancy flip while dodging the rocket, would he even see the bolts heading towards "Where he's dodging"? Something Cole has been doing for awhile

You knon a fun little thing about infamous that made it a challenging game compared to Prototype? It has difficulty. Aka GAMEPLAY MECHANICS. If he can take down military soldiers in one shot in the comics, I really dont' see the point of your argument

I'll point you up.

Health is nothing if you're spasming on the ground screaming as you're fried, unable to MOVE, unable to USE YOUR WITS OR STRENGTH OR SPEED, and unable to even CRY OUT IN PAIN AS YOUR INTERNAL ORGANS AND BIOLOGICAL COMPOSITION ARE FRIED CELLULARLY.

.... Who is Agent Smith? Cross? Do you even know the two's games anymore?...

Let's see... By scaling him to the miltiary and various factions he keeps on fighting, it seems pretty DAMN legit. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe since Alex can be beaten by Walkers we can assume he can get damaged by those things too? Or by bullets? Let's keep using GAMEPLAY MECHANICS and see where that takes us. Ah I know where! With Alex being bitchslapped by an electric prod.

Attack Potency? Sinks a ******* aircraft carrier. Destroys a Beast that was eventually going to destroy the moon as shown in Kessler's timeline and even with your downplays that's still impressive seeing as how the Beast shrugged off militaries like they're nothing, Corrupted who can also stomp militaries? Also stomped by the Beast. So all in all, seems pretty legit as City Level or higher. Which seems viable since a single Ray Sphere/Blast Core turned a weak man into something that can destroy city blocks with ease. And stronger, and stronger, and stronger.

He recharges his energy whenever he hits a human sized enemy....

RADAR PULSE. Ehem.. If Cole ever turned his back on an enemy, he would've died in his games already. So what if he knows a bit of martial arts? That's nothing compared to what he consumed but that won't do shit against someone like Cole who's more like the DPS utility mage. Someone who can root and keep on attacking and never run out of energy. Very effective against anyone who relies on melee attacks, and look at who relies on melee attacks and ISNT HYPERSONIC.

That's a statement you have made up. With how much James consumed, he would've been way stronger from the start compared to Alex. Alex is an idiot, Prototype 2 is shit, Prototype 1 is better in terms of story. How about we leave it at that and ignore James killing him? A lot of Prototype fans would be happy that way

Ice Runners run around the place, hopping around. In lore they're elite military soldiers... If all of Alex's attackers charge at him and never make tactics does that mean they're dumbasses? And again, Cole was still abel to keep track of them teleporters, despite them doing that a lot! You call the enemies of infamous dumb, I call Prototype enemies dumb. Simple. And I could go straight to saying the military are made of toothpicks and the civilians are idiots who want to run screaming towards infected zones

Afterimages are never good sources of speed feats

You're referring to the Alex DLC of the game.... and not that they need to change directions since Alex WONT have a clue of what's coming for him at first anyway. And once Cole summons an Ionic, it'll trigger anyway. Regardless of whether he gets knocked up or not, that'll get Alex and cut him off. Not that he'd even get a chance to use a devastator. Cole's precision ability will net him a stun, and then it's all over

We're not discussing how Evil Cole easily stomps Alex.

At best the platoons Alex fight number around 60 unless you're charging a base. Just because Cole isn't shown that feat in the comics deosn't mean he's not capable. If Delsin who is less experienced than him could prank an entire miltiary base and subtly beat up part of the army, I think Cole can scale well off of that.

Depending on how you play it's really dependent and hard to say how he defeated everyone. But he certainly is powerful in the second game. But still weak to electricity.

You're comparing an organization that specializes in handling an infection outbreak, which they can't even handle and were being beaten even before Alex showed up, and needed a nuke to 'win', to an organization that is a hundred years ahead of time and easily beats the cops and took over. Hell the only reason why the military invaded Empire City is because Cole took down the First Sons for them because they couldn't even touch them.
 
By the way, hypersonic reactions on Alex? Pretty damn false since he clearly aim dodges all the time, like in the trailer.

And until you prove that Alex can dodge this

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/139138/3067649-inf-15.jpg

The middle panel where electricity heads everywhere in every direction frying everything, even the rubber and bullet proof armor of the First Sons? Cole wins this.

Homing electricity that heads in every direction > Charging in to attack close up

I've debated this before in various sites and won against them all. Your call to keep on going


I love both characters, and would prefer getting Alex's powerset over Cole.

But all of Alex's speciality is rendered useless because of electricity. Cole is his weakness and would've won more against him. Alex would solo verses that Cole can't even touch. Alex is a badass but Cole counters him.


Also you're the onle one who's still saying Alex wins even though everyone else is voting for Cole. This is becoming a bit too long don't you think?
 
DeathBattleMike said:
"Alex even survived the 5x hiroshima nuke."
After consuming a crow, which otherwise Mercer would've stayed dead. He needs biomass in order to regenerate.
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He was dying anyway if it weren't for that crow
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
DeathBattleMike said:
"Alex even survived the 5x hiroshima nuke."
After consuming a crow, which otherwise Mercer would've stayed dead. He needs biomass in order to regenerate.
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He was dying anyway if it weren't for that crow
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No prob. ;)
 
You know what? Fine. Go ahead. Make it Cole's win. Wait till Screw Attack Death Battle debates this shit then we'll see.
 
Thank you

These two might not be the most obscure characters but they're not THAT mainstream. Sides, even if SA makes a DB of this? There's always a chance that it's not accurate. You've seen Gaara vs Toph and Yang vs Tifa. Many matches of theirs are misleading,
 
And for the record, Cross was infected by the virus as well. If he isn't then he can't have the durability to take kicks to the face by Mercer and wouldn't have the strength to swing his stun baton at Alex as well. Even though he's weakness seems to be electricity, the damage done by Cross with his stun baton includes his striking strength. If he could do such literal damage to alex, despite the stun baton, then alex wouldn't be able to take rocket launchers to the face and get attacked by infected that can rip apart a human body with ease.

So what if he aim dodges? It still dodging when you can clearly see danger and Alex did see the danger.

Alex is also not an idiot. If he is, then how is he able to go up against specialist Cross who was trained in the military? How was he able to see an opening upon cross as he dodges every grenades launched by his grenade launcher? How was he able to dodge the rockets? He, too, have experience as well as Cole, COB. Two years in fact.

I stopped arguing with this crap because I gave up on an asshole who thinks just because someone with his opponent's weakness is gonna win. A ****** who thinks weakness advantages can obliterate capabilities. A guy who believes Screw Attack's Goku vs Superman Death Battle which is already false since Dragon Ball Super. A guy who is at many alex vs cole debates. Deviantart. Death Battle wiki about alex vs cole vs saints row third leader.

And it still is possible to notice Cole's vortex. Does Cole spins around to cause an electric rocket and grenade? Does he pull back his arms together while emitting cold air from his hands to create shockwaves and bolts? Alex can, too, adapt to his attacks as well. And he can reudce all that damage with his agile armor. And Cole needed to be completely empowered to further destroy the Beast with electricity generators until he's onto his knees.

Writers of Prototype needed a human to be capable of defeating Alex but it seemed Cross can defeat Alex using his most common weakness, the reminding of the Penn Station or some place where he tossed the bottle of virus into the floor. Cross was specially prepared against Alex with the knowledge of Alex's agonizing history, stun baton which we probably believe is Alex's 'main' weakness and the anti-virus. THINK, COB. How did Cross have such striking force against Alex, with the addtion of his stun baton, and hurt him as if Alex felt 10 rockets exploding at his face? How did Cross have the durability to withstand Alex's attack that could end military vehicles, tanks and hunters who die from multiple large explosions? He, too, is, at a degree, partially infected. If not, then he's as dead as every of Alex's human victims.

One more thing. If Alex always charges against his enemies, how did he still dodge at least some attacks? And Cole only destroy the anchors of the 'aircraft carrier', which is just a ship, only disrupting its systems to ever function and move. The Beast CRACKED the moon and could possibly do so to destroy it fully at full power. But does Cole have the same durability as destroying other crap such as mini-bosses? No, he took a rocket to the face and almost died. The Beast is the same as since he could destroy the moon, does it mean he could withstand the same damage? No. He got struck by a lightning strike that can at least destroy a building. And Alex isn't always close range and can use his long range abilities such as his whipfist. He isn't stupid, COB. Even if Cole did sink an aircraft carrier, how many rockets, grenades, bolts did he take to sink it. Multiple.

But, this doesn't matter anymore. You all think Cole can beat Alex. Fine. I give up.
 
I like how you say you give up but leave a response anyway. I'll keep responding as long as you respond. Now let's try a new format shall we?

ARGUMENT - Cross was infected by the virus

He wasn't. He's a normal human. He got killed by the Supreme Hunter too. He was just experienced.

ARGUMENT - Cross can tank hits from Alex, can harm Alex

Gameplay Mechanics. Sides Alex gets stunned for a bit and takes the damage before getting knocked away. Supported by the fact that by enough consumptions Alex would have more experience than Cross, so it was a PIS match that included the electricity weakness anyway

ARGUMENT - So what if he aim dodges?

Well for one thing, that means it's a reaction feat instead of a speed feat. Someone who can dodge lasers isn't SOL usually, someone who can dodge bullets isn't bullet speed usually

ARGUMENT - Specialist Cross being beate

Simple, Cross drove Alex off with the baton's electric properties, while keeping him away with explosives. Alex probably started throwing debris and shooting him which caused him his defeat. Cross is more experienced than Cole but doesn't have the same power so comparing them is really argued

ARGUMENT - Thinks I'm an asshole because Goku vs Superman is right and SA is CLEARLY the end of all debates

What's the point of that? Funnily enough I want Goku to win and believe he can win. Where do you get that idea that I believe in Superman lol.

And so what if I have experience dealing with the likes of you who resort to insulting and swearing once you realize you're losing in a debate?

ARGUMENT - Alex can notice Vortex/Freeze

Alex will definitely notice the Vortex. Notice it while he's dragged into it because. Same for Freeze

1) He doesn't know Cole can make tornadoes out of nowhere

2) He doesn't know everything that Cole can do and if he does, that's cheating

3) Alex is gonna be close when Cole uses this

ARGUMENT - Alex can adapt and armor would shrug off everything

Is that why he still takes damage from bullets and explosives? Or why he got killed by James?

Armor reduces damage and is flesh. That doesn't mean shit against something that can freeze at sub-zero temperatures

ARGUMENT - Cole needed generator to beat the Beast

Cole at the end of the game was as strong as end game infamous 1. He also didn't use any of his destructive powers against the Beast once on that state. If anything he just needed to charge the RFI

ARGUMENT - Cross agai

Look up. Cross is a peak human at best, maybe a bit superhuman. It just shows that he takes too much damage from electric attacks if you go by GM. If not, he gets stunned anyway. Cross can roll to avoid attacks btw, did you notice that? Examining him with infected vision on a second playthrough nets no results

ARGUMENT - Anchor destroyed

He made a hole through it while taking out military stomping monster. I concede at other poitns, and cracked? It's shattered to bits. Regardless, hyperbolic comparison but point is? It's more destructive than the Prototype verse

ARGUMENT - Whipfist (FINALLY! You kept on relying on melee for sooooo long. I was waiting for this)

Using this on Cross gets you electrocuted. Shockwave that alters gravity should deal with this. Or Cole can just roll or use gigawatt blades

ARGUMENT - HOw many attacks did Cole use to sink the ship

Funnily enough, one. Lightning Storm. Everything else? Was just making a few holes on the walls to get out. He took the battle mostly outside, before being smacked back to the ship


So got any more trump cards?
 
Like I said, I'm ******* done. Just gonna wait for someone to redo prototype or Screw Attack to deal with this shit.
 
Oh yeah, can you show me pictures of Cole destroying an aircraft carrier and making 'holes' on the ship 'while' fighting a giant monster.
 
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Ready to debate once more? Or do you mean something else? Got a calc that puts Cole at supersonic too so the speed factor isn't an issue anymore
 
Man what a pain, I'll keep it as short as possible then


Alright, in terms of speed Cole has been buffed to supersonic in movement speed. This is disregarding the fact that he utilizes actual lightning from the sky. With this buff I believe that Cole has more than enough speed and reactions to play keep away from Alex, add that with him never tiring out and this'll work just fine

Cole also has the gigawatt blades, which was hot enough to cut David, a conduit Kessler created. He was a conduit that's basically what you get if you combine those Hunters from Prototype, and something that drains electricity. David himself has been shown to be easily curbstomping the military. He was hit point blank by a bomb that destroyed a large building and he was back up clamboring up in seconds. This was the same monster that took out other superhuman conduits made by the military and Cole took some hits from this guy. This would mean that the Gigawatt Claws is easily > Large building level with how it actually cut off a limb from that monster.

In terms of Regenerationn, Cole can recover as long as he hits a target. If he hits Alex then he'll constantly recharge energy and if headshots are hit he heals too. Then again that's not too important. But basically he can recover from anywhere. While civilians could keep moving around, electricity is stationary. From the cars, outlets, pole wires, cables, and backup generators. This is why it isn't an issue if the power goes out in the city. there's many more options to recharge from and he could simply return the power. On the other hand Cole also has a version of himself that doesn't even need a constant drain of electricity and can keep flying indefinitely.

In terms of keeping Alex on his sights, he has the radar which would keep track of Alex no matter what. As long as he exists since that's what it does to all enemies in game and in cutscenes. There will be no stealthy options for Alex and his reactions is more than enough to keep track of Cole

In terms of DC, Cole has enough output to take down the Beast before he was empowered. Casually. Even if he didn't truly destroy the Beast he was still casually doing it showcasing that he can beat things that need nukes if he goes all out. His attacks are electric based and can harm man made of ice and magma that are unharmable by normal weapons. His attacks should deal cellular damage and cancels Regenerationn since his output has been shown to be enough to either power cities, power trains and substations in a few shots, and harm giant monsters that should've shaken off attacks. His lightning storm sunk an aircraft carrier, destroys force fields, and The Beast but he can also control the voltage. He can control its path, where it strikes and channel it too

He has homing arcs of electricity and shockwaves that push out in an omnidirectional attack. His homing attacks should keep track of pesky runners too and that argument of Alex dodging them won't work with how the Sticky Rockets work, since enhanced military conduits can't dodge these.

That's about all for now, there might be some that I'm forgetting in all honesty though
 
All righty then. Also, you forgot about the fact that his lightning destroy steel which would be utter bullshit if that lightning is a regular bolt. If the bolts are that strong to destroy steel, all his victims would have been dead with one bolt, even against innocent bystanders but no, it took numerous bolts, lesser with headshocks. The reason why he was able to destroy steel is because he used either his grenade or rocket...which is something that the military uses and can destroy steel as well.Speaking of rockets and grenades, his freeze attacks, besides ionic freeze, is absolutely pointless due to their slow velocity. But, for the ionic freeze, it is possible to dodge it even at almost point blank but can still be get caught. Why? Well, his ionic freeze is close to James' groundspike moves and Alex was able to at least dodge them with one spike injuring him. However, Alex won't always use close combat tactics and he uses cars, debris, whipfist and critical pain.Now, why do I say so when Cole can clearly just use shockwaves to propel or even redirect back? Well, unless there are evidences that Cole can propel greater attacks of force, he was only able to redirect the rockets back with it moving at almost the same velocity by using an original shockwave. Considering he needs to have a greater force to stop the rocket in mid-air and back to the user, it would be two times the force of the rocket. This also proves how much he can propel back such as a car but, even more with the punch shockwave(which is non-canon, due to it being an evil technique)However, remember the fight with helicopters? Yeah and it took how many rockets to take it down? Around 5, I believe whereas, Alex used his whipfist once on a helicopter with a grab and destroyed it in one go in his first game WITHOUT the addition of explosion damage. This proves he has much greater force than 5 rockets or so and moves around the same speed as a rocket, I think. But, that really depends for Cole. He may either, like you said, dodge it and use a gigawatt blade(which I thought was DLC) or push it away with a shockwave. Well, considering both feats of the whipfist and Cole's shockwave, it would be just like Gareth's(I believe that's his name) weird vomit things that is bigger than his homing ones and that couldn't be force back to, even with a punch shockwave. It is usually up to cole's decision whether he should dodge it or propel back, which is certainly not the better decision, but he could be tempted by the speed of the whipfist grab and try propelling it. None of them know each other's powers, right? And Cole wouldn't know the feat that Alex casually displayed. Even if Cole was able to have other feats with his shockwaves, it wouldn't be possible to propel against Alex's much more superior attack, Critical Pain. I don't think I need much explanation, right?
Even if it takes time to start a devastator, he could also do it in mid-air while even dodging bullets from numerous barrels of numerous Blackwatch, military soldiers and commanders. So yeah, we don't know about Cole's decision of encountering his projectiles. Even with the throwing of objects that ripped a person's body apart as if it was paper may not be easily propelled but at least be able to rival the shockwave.
I agree that the sticky rockets homes on human size and it's almost impossible to avoid it...considering their rockets while Alex was able to, IN PROTOTYPE 2, logically and power via scaling, tank the 5x hiroshima bomb with his agile armor, shrug it off as if it was nothing. Oh yeah, did I mention that Alex's weakness isn't electricity but ice only?
Now, why would I say that, you wonder. Remember Cross? Yes, yes, he has a stun baton that looks as if it hurts Alex a lot but, does a regular stun baton be able to send out massively large sparks? No. Would a regular stun baton be able to tear walkers apart effortlessly? No. How do I know this? Well, first question, internet and second question, even without game mechanics, it was evidential that he was able to kill walkers while destroying their bodies with ease and the more powerful stun baton. It would need a much higher voltage and current to channel the electricity around the body quickly and burn them off like Raiden's high frequency blade but that weapon was used well against metal. A regular stun baton only shocks someone for a few seconds and override the nervous system and pretty much sedate him/her.
Took almost more than a second for Alex to be shocked and thrown back which would have destroyed his nervous system, lungs, other organs and his brain. However, with the same time, he got back up and shrug it off as if it was a rocket, like what you had said in the previous comment.
And, since you said that the Cross is around peak human or something and could not be infected, well, if he isn't, then why is he, still as a human but a little bit better, able to survive a kick that destroys a helicopter and so with a few kicks without bleeding through his organs and mouth? True, it may be because of the armor Cross' wearing. But, unlike Lex Luthor, he doesn't have a forcefield to protect his face and his probable years of training and experience would at least be defeated by Alex's almost one week of easily getting the hang of his new found powers and the combined tactics of countless of innocent Military and Blackwatch soldiers and commanders.
This way, Alex would go for the head and finish him off by snapping his neck which is something Cross is unable to train to inprove on the defence. If you also think that the writers included the stun baton is to show his weakness, well, bullets go through or deflected, knifes don't work as well and rockets only be patheticly used for so long until Regenerationn kicks in. So, it would be logical to kill enemies easily with a stun baton but, guess not against Alex who has already shown some resistence to electricity.
Cole's cluster grenade doesn't work too well since it's almost like Cross' grenade launcher attack.
And, Alex's body doesn't work the same way as humans' do. Got shot to the head, took quite a long time for the Supreme Hunter and general Gregand(I think that's his name) to finish their chit-chat, got up behind the general with the bullet hole still to his head and regenerated from it. Hell, he took a point blank explosion and have all his guts in the sea, still clearly alive for a while until a crow comes to his rescue and heal him. So, in summary, Alex only needs a brain to think and not die without. It's just like Cell who need s to be entirely destroyed to be killed. Somewhat like that.
But the thing is, how did Cole become faster? You may have said that he absorbed lightning from the sky or something but doesn't prove much of a point that he became faster since he absorbed a lightning strike from Infamous 2 and still move quite the same as before. Help me with an explanation, yeah? And yes, I also agree that Cole can casually harm the Beast...with the help of provided electricity and Nix's sacrifice to bring him down for a while, even with the ionic storm. But then, the Beast still wondered off to the church with his body still in damages once Cole took almost a minute to get back up to the church and be empowered.
You kept saying that the Beast is already weak to Cole when the Beast was gradually being weaken by what you just said about his lightning cancelling Regenerationn. That's how Cole was able to weaken him to a state that he can't regenerate and get more power from the RFI to finally exhaust, and probably destroy at least half of his body with countless of cluster grenades, him to a state that he can never fight back for days. Even though the Beast didn't die from the nuke, he couldn't tank the nuke as well. If so, where is his body?
Alex, on the other hand, can dodge all of Cole's very COMMON attacks such as the bolts that doesn't move as fast as lightning and the rockets that doesn't home, grenades and even shockwaves and even tank the shatter blast. How? Ice shards doesn't
Bolts that move as fast as lightning will certainly hit him if Cole get a shot in him and rockets that homes on the enemy, well, one of them would be inevitable while the other one which is clearly named redirect rockets maybe able to be avoided. Remember the trailer gameplay with the creators of prototype 2 talking about the game? Heller was able to even time it right and be able to dodge the homing rockets while fighting tanks and such. And just like Heller, Mercer can almost do the same by timing it right or crashing into a building's window and using structures inside to get away from the rockets as they get blocked by environmental objects. And by the way, Alex's speed as the final boss may allow him to outrun the fast pacing homing rockets and may even be able to tank an ionic storm with the durability he has. However, the ionic storm should also be, power via scaling, powerful enough to at least destroy a few large buildings. But, I don't know anything else of Cole's other feats. Gigwatt blades may be able to tear David's arm off but since it's only feat was being stronger than building level, it wouldn't be much against Alex, I believe.
Ionic vortex and ionic freeze, he may eventually be able to dodge them-and don't start sighing but try hearing me out, alright? Yes, Cole would be smart enough to get Alex close to him and use the ionic vortex and freeze but, Cole wouldn't right off the bat use his most powerful attacks on his opponents like his battle with the Beast in the start. He was to use his rockets and missile bolts, which are actually sort of real since you shot a rocket-like bolt at him when you pressed r1, and then ended off with an ionic storm.
Hell, Alex isn't dumb as well and can realise the attack while seeing it once. How? He would realise in the split second that Cole spun around while causing an attack with both hands instead of using one to shoot out his bolts, grenades and rockets. What would he do? Jump over him while dashing across as the vortex only comes out completely in a second when it hits the floor where Alex won't be but behind Cole in mid-air. Ionic freeze...um, 50 50. Why? He would either dodge roll and thought it's a one directional attack and realise it was quite far off and get caught or simply jump over it.And you may think that I'm bullshitting the same thing over and over and over. No, I'm not. Hell, he even beat a specialist that may have probably many years of training, experience and very great tactics with just almost a week of easily getting used to his powers and his tactics of a kickboxer, since his melee looks as if he learned a few fighting moves back then, and well, like I just said back then earlier. And by then, Alex had two years of experience and a large meal of mindless infected, countless of innocent humasn, soldiers and commanders of both Blackwatch and Military and around 5 Evolveds. So yeah, reason why James defeated Alex is because he's more experience and tactical since he's able to shoot down a spiked brawler with just an assault rifle. Through this, it is possible he learned a few better tactics in his earlier days if one man like him is able to defeat a brawler almost unharmed when it took so many Blackwatch soldiers to gun them down one by one as they lose in numbers whereas, Alex is once just a bio-scientist and only learn how to fight with punches and kicks. So yeah, I think that's that…No, wait. I forgot one more thing. Cole would shock him continuously as if it was endlessly and all Alex could do is just get shocked for a very long period of time and then Cole would eventually have to use the ionic storm. Once that was done, Cole will confirm whether Alex is dead or not with his radar pulse and once he saw the red linings, Alex would just come back up in a few seconds, flee to a few more distance away, start his critical pain and destroy him. Now that's that.
 
Aw man, I have to respond to all this now.

Gimme an hour or day, we seem to have conflicting Time Zones anyway. It's 1 hour till midnight from here
 
>Lightning destroys Steel yet doesn't kill civilians

Cole can maintain how much voltage he uses in attacks. Proof - He can maintain substations and prevent them from blowing up due to overcharge

>Slow attacks

Cole can combo them after stunning Alex Which seems viable

>Ionic Freeze is slow and comparable to James' groundspike move

Large area of effect Looks like a wall of spikes that are meant to pierce you instead of freezing you Aside from some cold chilly air it's not really much James jams his hand down the ground and it shakes, meaning it's much more obvious that something is coming Cole just waves his hand to summon spikes Again it doesn't look like a freezing attack, only wall of spikes > Car throwing, debris

Deflect it with a shockwave or magnetism Alex would have to run away and pick up a car -> Meaning his back would be turned to Cole allowing him to zap him. And if it's a faraway car Cole can easily deflect it or see the attack coming -> Cole can walk out of the way Alex would use a nearby car -> Cole zaps it, boom -> Cole zaps him, then the car, boom -> Cole zaps Alex

Even if you argue with Alex needing to use the same amount of force to deflect those attacks, there's still the argument that Alex wouldn't even get the chance to use those And he has enough force to turn a pizza box into a lethal weapon, should be fair game And he was able to redirect a rocket with the same force in the comics. Refer to below http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/139138/3086375-inf-14.jpg So that doesn't look like it's slowed down for something that doesn't rely on shockwaves so if Cole has stronger shockwaves, it should be easy to blow away stuff like thrown debris IF Alex even gets the chance to lift them And even then, he can always just change the direction the attack is heading instead of trying to fully reflect it

> Whipfist

Cole uses shockwave to deflect Cole shocks Alex through the whipfist like Cross did

> Critical Pai Charge up Devastators that can be interrupted As Alex fires, Cole can dodge. The moment Alex starts firing, he's stationary Leaving him very open to numerous attacks

Random Notes Punch Blast would probably be canon for Evil Cole I think.

> Helicopter takes a lot of rockets to go dow

He oneshots them in the comics -> Before Infamous 2 --> Before he was stronger Basically you're wrong about whipfist > Rockets

Gameplay Mechanics are unfair you know. If I could take so many bullets in call of duty would that mean I can regenerate? Is it possible to destroy a tank with archers in Civilization? Since Cole and Alex dies to bullets in game if you let them would that mean they're weak to bullets?

> Gigawatt Blades Comic Feat It's up there

>Gareth I'm completely lost here.

>Midair Devastator Feat of that dodging bullets please Probably won't be too effective against homing lightning and rockets Still leaves Alex vulnerable, and 'still' for a brief moment of time Gives enough time for Cole to get away or interrupt

>Cole's dealing with projectiles Reflected RPGs casually with only magnetism at the last second Dodges a lot Has a shield Has a shockwave Can prevent his enemies from throwing projectiles by shooting them before they can do that >He tanked a 5x hiroshima bomb He got turned to a goop If anything maybe that Adrenaline Devastator thing is what saved him from dying Shrugging off like it was nothing is SO SO FALSE He got goopified, after nearly escaping a nuke that was underwater and only might've even died if it wasn't for that crow

>Alex's weakness to electricity is false

Nope It's not a weakness nor a resistance He is simply vulnerable to it

And I have no idea where you're getting this statement from


>Stun baton argument

Aaaaand Cole can power up substations and probably unleash the same amount of voltage while he walks Nice try but Cross' baton isn't even vaguely similar to Raiden's high frequency blade And repeatedly Cole has shown he can provide much more voltage than whatever he has After all, how much voltage would it take to harm a gigantic creature that dwarfs over numerous buildings?

Regardless, the output that Cross would need to do that? Cole can do much more than that, casually So that little resistance that Alex has? Not too effective against a guy who wields it like Thor I mean Cross is basically holding a little stick while Cole has guns and rockets made of lightning, if you compare them at least And don't get started on that ADAPTATION thing After all, he still found no way to develop how to deflect bullets till months and a parasite in his body he needed help from a smart doctor

Besides, your argument is still speculation isn't it?

> Claims that I claim Cross can survive kicks from Mercer, the guy who flips tanks I said Cross was maybe superhuman with a strain of super virus to enhance his physicality, not capable of tanking Alex hits

> Could've snapped Cross' head if he was smart Wasn't he busy succumbing to rage at Karen's betrayal? And why didn't he?

> Needs a brain to think and can live without it Okay So how would he deal with being zapped to ashes by a lightning storm or being frozen or having the very thing powering that virus drained? If he's goopified it would still count as a loss since after seeing what Alex can do, I don't think Cole would let him back up

>Not the same as Human Yet he still got zapped by that weapon huh Even if you say it's powerful enough to kill humans in one shot, Cole's lightning kills people wearing futuristic rubber insulated suits that are 100 years ahead of their time, casually

> Why is Cole faster https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...t_Attempt_to_Calc_-_Cole_MacGrath_Rocket_Feat Deflecting missile with his arms and electricity at the last second And that's not counting the speed he got from jumping out of nowhere and into the fight

> Needed help The Beast regenerated from Nix's full on sacrifice attack and was back up in full health in seconds Okay, but he also casually took him down in seconds He also defeated the Beast before into a standstill when he was weaker and only lost because he fell into water, which he survived His ionic storm was cut off or at least would've by Kuo And empowered cole so easily took out the Beast So basically if it was normal Cole he would've taken out the beast too And even if the Beast was unharmed, well he would have more trouble but now that he won't fall onto water he would have a much more easier time Besides, all he got was a short time of infinite flight, that's all

>You kept saying that the Beast is already weak to Cole when the Beast was gradually being weaken Sorry what? I don't think you phrased that well But what I'm saying is somehow Cole's lightning is enough to even affect a man made of magma, even when he was intact The body fell down didn't it? Its body was still intact when it took the nuke, I mean it probably gave out but it wasn't goopified like Alex here If Cole kept on attacking he would've destroyed the beast, but chose to end it now He only used the RFI at the last minute And honestly? Using a device to affect the entire world with a shockwave? Would require quite some power

>Alex can dodge some attacks Fair enough But who the hell cares about ice shards? Why do you insist that ice is stronger than electricity? Don't answer that


> Timing his dodges So aim dodging? Kinda like hiding behind cover before the bullets can hit. You know, what action movie stars like to do? Some characters did that before.

>Alex outrunning homing rockets Proof please


> Ionic Dodges *Patiently waits for what you say* And is that what he did to The Beast? Didn't he only use it when it was stunned? So basically you restated everything from before?

>Cole would be smart enough to get Alex close to him That's like saying Batman would walk in front of an army with no weapons. What kind of idiot would that make Cole? He relies on keeping his distance. He's not close combat.... my god.... Do you charge in like that in the infamous games?

>Alex will jump when Cole has been shown to use attacks that would deal more damage if the electricity isn't grounded ..... Sigh. Have you learned? Do you even THINK Cole would let him get close? He isn't going to stand still like a dumbass either. He's going to be on the move too while keeping a watch on Alex Not to mention if something gets too close, there's the option of omnidirectional shockwave or releasing electricity everywhere Especially with this speed boost, you think Cole wouldn't try to stun him before using a move as powerful as that? It's a tornado that pops up so I don't think Cole would use it when his enemy is so close either, or maybe, when he realizes Alex got behind him, he can hold the attack, spin around an extra bit more and release it at Alex upon landing?


> Shocked endlessly Or he can run out of biomass like what happened with his match with James? Neither of the two had better tactics there. Alex was a shell of his previous character and James doesn't seem to think too deeply in that fight since it was so freaking easy to whoop Alex's ass


>After Lightning Storm Or. Cole can freeze him. Or Cole can keep zapping him. Cole can prevent him from leaving. Or Cole can sidestep the critical pain that's a freaking kamehame of guts.

Or. Maybe he can use the tornado while Alex is charging up. Ionic Freeze. Ionic Storm again. Or stun him again with any attack. Or attack. Or dodge.

Anything really. That last tactic..... Do you think Cole would just stand there looking amazed and horrified that Alex is alive? Hell how would he even survive something that feels like a continuous exposure to the surface of the sun? Prototype 2 has shown that Alex has limits on his Regenerationn. He will die if he takes too much damage. And that nuke nearly killed him.

Cole's level of output? Will be more than enough


....


I will admit. You have great points, especially with the Cross' stun baton and the projectile/range argument.

But I won't be responding. I'm gonna go sleep. Instead of working on something I have to spend 30 minutes restating what I said before, and 10 refuting good points. At the rate we're going, I'm going to have to severely limit my responses.... It's a chore arguing the same points over and over agai
 
Also, this is just to comment on all of the things. And yeah, holy shit. I though the gigawatt blades was DLC...Wait, if it were to be a real thing, what's the point of making it a DLC in infamous 1 and not putting it in infamous 2, even though he may have lost his powers? Also, I meant Bertrand, not Gareth, I keep forgetting these names because I'm doing other debates away from Vs battle wiki. Bertrand, as a monster, had his more giant vomit projectiles that aren't forced back. And, if you were to say that his shockwaves are omnidirectional, prove that instead of pushing it at his own direction, it was exerted to everywhere he stood. It may have been said that Cole had to raise his hands at the exact speed as the rocket. However, this isn't actually movement speed but combat speed. It's like reflexes, he needs to raise his arms not by running fast but to do Good vs Bad vs Ugly flicking the gun out style like Cell with bulky muscles whose movement speed doesn't link with combat speed. Plus, of course, some of Cole's lightning is faster than the speed of sound. Remember lightning and thunder, shiieeet!

And, Cole is an adaptive parkourist, right? He'll know how the city goes from one point to another. If he were to be said, I think it was stated in your friend's words, he was able to move from the edge of the city to another, hell do I know, place. He would know which railways is the shortcut to grind on and glide over and pass by the buildings that take jackshit long time to climb without the lightning thether. And, he may also be behind the train's railways. Cross didn't deflect the whipfist because he shocked it with such high current that it went through his whipfist and to his body in almost like an actual instant. True, it seems easy to kill Alex...because James has better tactics than Alex because he keeps using both shield and other weaponry powers to counter him, making it to look so much easier for the players to adapt to Alex's openings since Heller is more tactical like how he casually slaughtered a spiked brawler even without powers but an assault rifle. Even some Blackwatch general said he is not Blackwatch material but something better.

And you did say that Cole isn't dumb enough to use his ionic vortex at afar. If I were to clarify it perfectly, you'll understand that when Alex finally get quite close to Cole, which seems 60 40 possible, Cole will get him close ENOUGH to cause and ionic Vortex and shove it at his face. Like I said, Alex isn't stupid, he'll realize what Cole was doing as he spun instead of doing whatever he did to shoot out rockets and bolts. Even if he did get sucked into it, he can just aerial recovery dash out of it. And if you said that the Beast regenerate back to full health, how da hell did he still have that broken half-face? Including, if you said I'm putting in 'game mechanics' into the helicopter thing, no. I never meant Cole's rockets but asshole Blackwatch, Militia and military soldiers' rocket launchers. If you were to, somehow, mean that the helicopters of the Military does not have much defense and get dunked on by just one rocket, you're wrong. Why the hell would the military go into battle with all attack and no defense. It's also as if the soldiers are going on the battlefield with light machine guns, grenades and rocket launchers but, with no bulletproof vests on nor flak jacket. True, Cole is able to one shot a helicopter...because a helicopter is mainly made out of metal, a good conductor of electricity which allows electricity to flow easily and shock the mechanisms inside it, overriding and ******* it up to an explosion. And Cole was on the helicopter while transferring electricity through it entirely while placing his hands on it instead of tossing projectiles

And Alex's Critical Pain was fast enough to push through and obliterate a few cars from almost more than ten feet away in just a second, even creating shockwaves at the edge of his tendrils. It will at least push Cole into a nearby building and knock his head to the concrete wall since it's direction isn't very well accurate since it pushes away a car just in front to either the left or right. It even push a far car to a distance not even Cole's kinectic pulse could do, even with a higher height. And the nuke thing, I meant that IN PROTOTYPE 2!! 2!, power via scaling, he'll be able to tank the same 5x hiroshima nuke WITH the Agile Armor. Hell, in the FIRST game, he turned into goope, yes I agree. And the crow took a small amount not even a rat can only live with and got back his body. However, getting his body back to its height from a crow's size is beyond me but, Alex would have lost most of his biomass and have to work his way back up. It's even possible that he lost his powers just like how he did at the end of prototype ((2)). But, in one month or so, he got back his claws, blade and such in his comic.

Even though its not evidential in the comics that he got back his blade and other powers but his claws(I think), he did get back his other powers at the end of Prototype 2. If he didn't lose most of his powers, it still doesn't mean he gave up in consuming anything but endless amount of innocent people, mindless infected, soldiers and commanders of Military and Blackwatch ALONG with his Evolveds that were soon consumed as well by him. So, by the end of Prototype 2, logically, he'll at least be more powerful than before in the near end of prototype 1 before getting blown up since he practically ate at least more than half of the population that seems to be millions due to his quote, 'One virus. Three weeks. Millions dead.'

And the bulletproof thing, James was able to get that mutation award created through infectious virus biomass the Blackwatch scientists that was fooled to do so by Alex and his Evolveds. James, as the near end of Prototype 2 without Alex consumed, and Alex, without his Evolved boost, besides the armor, shield, muscle mass and tendrils powers, are almost the exact same person with almost the exact same amount of biomass, even without Alex's boost in biomass from Evolveds consuming. Hell, Alex easily mid-air roundhouse kicked the shit out of an armored helicopter to such spinning velocity that it's already out of control and impossible to get back to control and flicked the destroyed tank. And that's just the start of the second game.

Yes, Punch blast is canon to evil Cole...who isn't canon to the Infamous story. If he is instead of good Cole, Delsin wouldn't be hunted down but be boringly in the army of Cole who shouldn't have anymore threat against him and shouldn't turn out to be such a dick villain and betray Delsin.

Yes, Cole wouldn't stay at the same spot, all shocked and all because Alex will just pretend to be shocked to death with some of his guts flying out like the same with the general shooting him in the head because The Beast did the same in the first battle since Cole didn't know that he can't be killed that easily. And, once Cole use his radar pulse on him, notice he's not dead and pull out his hands to electrocute him, Alex would quickly air dash while recovering back to his feet towards Cole, grab him and consume him. And how he would be able to outrun the rockets? He was able to keep up with the rockets in the first game, able to do small sonicbooms in the second game and was able to easily dash from a place near the large tendrils to the place quite close to the destroyed helicopter in just a split second and the distance is almost like 30 meters and it may even be his minimum speed since he needs to accelerate to his maximum speed.

Also, sorry for making the previous comment so long. And thanks for complimenting on the great points I gave.
 
Tone it down some guys, there's quite a bit of swearing in there and this site is supposed to be for kids and teens, too.

If you ask me, i don't know enough about either characters, but someone needs to update the Tags

I see 2 characters, 1 verse. Please link other verse.

Thanks :D
 
Oooooohhh...Sorry about that. I thought kids usually play and not care about the feats but the countless destruction, awesome fights and such. Some teens would go to this website to see the feats brought in together by others. And there already is another verse. Swarmlord vs Alex and James which is already finished. Swarmlord can defeat both. We really need to get some other characters that gives Alex a victory and such.
 
This is supposed to be a PG-13 site of sorts according to what Antvasima said. If you happen to cuss alot at each other, which i have quietly observed for the pass month or so, i may have to ban some people here. Hope you were behaving well here.
 
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