Chasing Swords: Altair vs Kindred

[Assaltwaffle]

The twin faces of death have quite a resilient target. Fond of such an interesting hunt, Wolf leads the charge with Lamb close behind as the two stalk their quarry. But they may have more than what they bargained for on their hands...

Rules:

Speed Equalized

EoS Altair

Kindred is Kindred

Who wins and why? Can Altair prove much for the deathly duo, or will the Wolf and Lamb complete another hunt?

Altair: 0

Kindred: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Type 5 immortality means death manipulation will not work.

 

[Lancer45Man]

What can they do to Altair tho?

 

[Lancer45Man]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Altair seems to have multiple ways to incap them (If not kill them) judging by Kindred's profile.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unless im missing something i dont see how this is even remotely fair for Kindred

She cant do anything to Altair

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Kindred is a Type 2 conceptual abstract. It won't be that easy to put her down.

@Setsuna

Kindred is death in the highest sense. The deaths they deal aren't just "you're dead" it's "everything about you is dead". Not to mention it's death from an abstract.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Weekly

Even if Kindred can't bring death to Altair because of her conceptual nature, they can perma incap by killing her avatar over and over. Wolf wouldn't oppose to something like that either, so it's not out of character.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Doesnt she have Type 5 though?

 

[Lancer45Man]

Well Altair has her Passive Causality Manipulation which can reflect back even Conceptual Attacks not to mention Fate Manip, Plot Manip, Info Rewrite, Power Null+Paralysis, Possession, Power Mimicry, Duplication, Conceptual Absorption,etc

 

[Lancer45Man]

Doesnt she have Type 5 though?

Yes

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah no Kindred cannot do anything in this fight, mismatch

 

[Lancer45Man]

Make Kindred vs Ajimu Najimi

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Weekly

Type 5 as a concept, but her avatar isn't immune.

@Lancer

Causality might be a problem, but it won't do anything to Kindred since they can't kill themselves. Conceptual attacks/absorption won't do anything to Kindred. She's a Type 2 that spans across infinite universes. Power Null + Para would probably kill off one set of avatars, but Altair can't do 66th to Kindred's true selves. Even if she could target a Type 2 Conceptual, she has never demonstrated the range.

Altair has never Info Rewritten a Type 2 Conceptual. That's a level beyond what she's shown.

 

[Lancer45Man]

It's just inconclusive then

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Assalt Okay then what can Kindred to to beat Altair and vice versa? Or do they just keep incapping forever?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Lancer

I thought that may happen when I made it.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Voting for Incon

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah then its incon FRA

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Weekly

Kindred tries to kill Altair. Causality is reversed. Nothing happens since Kindred can't kill themselves. Altair tries to Info Rewrite Kindred. Nothing happens since she's on a level never seen by Altair before. Kindred tries to kill Altair, repeat until they've used all their abilities and are now stuck staring at each other with no way of getting rid of the other.

 

[Lancer45Man]

When Assalt makes an obvious Incon matchup Ó▓á_Ó▓á

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Kinda hard to find something that isn't a stomp for these two as is lol. I'll take an incon.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Kindred vs Ajimu Najimi

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I thought Ajimu was banned from matches for being a walking NLF?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Even if she wasn't she kinda looks like a worse Altair, feats wise. At least on her page.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Feats-wise yes, exaggeration-wise she's supposed to have very literally every power imaginable

 

[Assaltwaffle]

"Perfection"

"quadrillions of others"

HMMMM?

 

[Lancer45Man]

That's a big lie tho. Ajimu is Wanked and 99.9999% of her quadrillion skills weren't even displayed. Heck even majority of the 800 something Abilities listed throughout the manga weren't even displayed.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

The best part is that she has individual powers for "can cook eggs" and "can use a gun and a sword at the same time" and "can see the future but can't change it"

 

[Kaltias]

Clearly Ajimu is simply so powerful that she doesn't need feats, duh.

Also, would Kindred kill everyone knowing Altair, in character? And do they have ways to learn that this would kill her?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Everyone has to die sometime so yes

Kindred is full on omniscient so again yes

 

[Kaltias]

Eh, for now my vote is on Kindred via eventually killing literally everyone.

It doesn't look like they'd do that quickly judging from the blog, but it does say that eventually it will happen in LoL, so it should happen sooner or later here, as well.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Does Kindred has a 2-B, likely higher range Death Manip? Cuz if not then he isn't killing her since her Abstraction is present and perceived by a 2-B sized Multiverse. That also includes Setsuna herself.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Kindred has 2-A actually

 

[Lancer45Man]

Plus there's power Bestowal so even if Kindred kills everyone, Altair could give Setsuna Causality Manipulation which would reflect the death hax (Considering Setsuna is at the same existence level of Altair and has her EoS powers). So Setsuna would still be alive and can reflect Kindred's death hax and at the same time her perceptions of Altair would sustain Altair. So eternal inconclusive.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Kindred has 2-A range with her death manip

 

[Kaltias]

Plus there's power Bestowal so even if Kindred kills everyone, Altair could give Setsuna Causality Manipulation which would reflect the death hax

Does she have any reason to do that though?

From Altair's perspective, people are simply dying over time for normal reasons, be it old age, disease, accidents etc.

How would she know that Kindred is the reason for that?

 

[Lancer45Man]

Altair issa a genius tho. She would likely figure out what's going on as she herself is fighting Death Itself and either grant the people Causality Manipulation or would just bring them back via Causality Manipulation.

Also Setsuna was made Immortal and has powers given by Altair to live for all of Eternity creating Infinite Universes cuz they lesbo lovers. So if anything, Altair would grant her with her Causality Manip to reflect the death hax.

Also, afaik to kill Type 4 Concepts you'd need to destroy their concept as well as wipe off the perceptions of the concept due to the reason that simply killing the people (and thus blocking their perceptions) won't qualify. So even if Kindred goes out of character and insta kills everyone, Altair would Still Survive as her Idea has not been harmed or affected.

 

[Tman766]

Voting incon fra

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How does being a genius equate to determining that your opponent is the literal concept of death?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also its by no means out of character for death to cause people to die