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Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

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Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.

Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up. Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.
 
Mulgara said:
Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.
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Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up. Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.

Gogeta was much stronger, not faster, Broly power has nothing to do with grade 3, in fact his Ikari state is said to be the opposite as it's able to have the Ikari power without losing speed.


Broly was never stronger then Gogeta as he couldn't adapted in time.
 
Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.
Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up. Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.

Gogeta was much stronger, not faster, Broly power has nothing to do with grade 3, in fact his Ikari state is said to be the opposite as it's able to have the Ikari power without losing speed.


Broly was never stronger then Gogeta as he couldn't adapted in time.


The Ikari and SS are two different transformations and have different drawbacks/setbacks, so thats a false analogy. No, Broly's ki was draining due to him using SSJ Grade 3, he was already strongee than Gogeta when he tanked his attacks, but he was too slow to react. That does not showcase anything to do with him adapting.
 
Where was it ever stated that his ki was draining or that his form Grade 3? The green hair, green aura, an missing pupils mean it's something different from the Grade 3 we've seen in the series. You can withstand a character's attacks and not be stronger than them, especially when that character is as casual as Gogeta was. There's at least 2 moments where Gogeta and Broly's attacks directly clash and Broly is sent reeling while Gogeta is fine. I don't know how you can interpret this fight as anything but Gogeta completely overpowering Broly and Broly only hanging on due to his tankiness and Gogeta taking the fight pretty casually.
 
You do know that there are several instances where inflating your body for power slows you down. The inflated Broly interpretation is a consistent explanation for Broly tanking but being slower than Gogeta.
 
Broly lost because he was weaker. Broly does not lose ki, he gets stronger mid-fight. It was never said or hinted that he gets weaker.

Speed and durability = power level unless otherwise stated.

Broly's final form is called Super Saiyan Full Power and was never related to Grade 3.

There are heated debates about Broly and Jiren, and I understand the logic behind those. But Broly being stronger than Gogeta? That's new.
 
>You do know that there are several instances where inflating your body for power slows you down.

Jiren inflates his muscles in his Awakened state and he gets faster, when Goku first went SSJ he bulked up a lot and he got way faster, Vegeta as a great ape was huge but had no signs of slowing down, etc. It needs to be stated.

As for Broly being stronger. I've never heard of such a ridiculous claim like that. Even if you use the head canon that Broly was slowed down he was still far weaker than Gogeta. If he was actually stronger than Gogeta, then Gogeta's attacks wouldn't be effective, and Broly would've adapted to him long ago.
 
It's unknown whether Gogeta was serious or not during his fight with Broly so people should stop throwing this "casual Gogeta > GoD level" argument.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
>You do know that there are several instances where inflating your body for power slows you down.

Jiren inflates his muscles in his Awakened state and he gets faster, when Goku first went SSJ he bulked up a lot and he got way faster, Vegeta as a great ape was huge but had no signs of slowing down, etc. It needs to be stated.

As for Broly being stronger. I've never heard of such a ridiculous claim like that. Even if you use the head canon that Broly was slowed down he was still far weaker than Gogeta. If he was actually stronger than Gogeta, then Gogeta's attacks wouldn't be effective, and Broly would've adapted to him long ago.
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I didnt exclude that it wasnt, i wss just showcasing that there are examlples of this, and it is consistent with what happened with Broly, since he tanked and was ineffected by Gogeta's attacks, until the end, due to the fact that his ki was draining.

This was also substainated by Toriyama, in which he stated that Gogeta and Broly would have killed each other at any point.


At the beginning, Broly was actually "keeping up" with Gogeta even though he couldnt touch him, then they showcased him not get knocked down a few times, prior to the end which proves that he became weaker and lost the form at the end, and Gogeta went all out at the end to defeat Broly.
 
Mulgara said:
Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.
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Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up.
Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.

Gogeta was much stronger, not faster, Broly power has nothing to do with grade 3, in fact his Ikari state is said to be the opposite as it's able to have the Ikari power without losing speed.


Broly was never stronger then Gogeta as he couldn't adapted in time.

The Ikari and SS are two different transformations and have different drawbacks/setbacks, so thats a false analogy. No, Broly's ki was draining due to him using SSJ Grade 3, he was already strongee than Gogeta when he tanked his attacks, but he was too slow to react. That does not showcase anything to do with him adapting.

Broly went SSJ on top of his ikari power as his eyes show shis ikari eyes when Gogeta is about to defeat him, how about you drop the head canon and go by what the show presents cause nothing, not one single bit of information says Broly is using grade 3, his size and bulk, green aura all came from his ikari power, which specifically says it doesn't lose speed.
 
ZERO7772 said:
It's unknown whether Gogeta was serious or not during his fight with Broly so people should stop throwing this "casual Gogeta > GoD level" argument.
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He was serious, just not at full power
 
He was serious, just not at full power

It would be out of character for him to take it easy on Broly tbh. Throughout most of his appearance, he is shown to take things seriously and getting **** done as fast as possible.

Gogeta doesn't take any chances, he went Blue the moment Broly gained the upper hand on him and we were shown that his Blue form was overkill for Broly if anything so it's fine to assume Gogeta was taking extra measures.

I agree that he wasn't at full power, but he was definitely serious about finishing Broly off near the end.
 
ZERO7772 said:
He was serious, just not at full power
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It would be out of character for him to take it easy on Broly tbh. Throughout most of his appearance, he is shown to take things seriously and getting **** done as fast as possible.
Gogeta doesn't take any chances, he went Blue the moment Broly gained the upper hand on him and we were shown that his Blue form was overkill for Broly if anything.

It wasn't overkill, a huge stomping yes but him going blue was needed for him to beat someone like Broly. If Gogeta had to raise his power higher that means Broly was getting closer but Gogeta simply played it smart and made sure Broly couldn't catch up. Gogeta however is serious, while in some scenes he is seen smiling, other scenes he has a dead serious look in his eye.
 
Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up.
Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.

Gogeta was much stronger, not faster, Broly power has nothing to do with grade 3, in fact his Ikari state is said to be the opposite as it's able to have the Ikari power without losing speed.


Broly was never stronger then Gogeta as he couldn't adapted in time.

The Ikari and SS are two different transformations and have different drawbacks/setbacks, so thats a false analogy. No, Broly's ki was draining due to him using SSJ Grade 3, he was already strongee than Gogeta when he tanked his attacks, but he was too slow to react. That does not showcase anything to do with him adapting.

Broly went SSJ on top of his ikari power as his eyes show shis ikari eyes when Gogeta is about to defeat him, how about you drop the head canon and go by what the show presents cause nothing, not one single bit of information says Broly is using grade 3, his size and bulk, green aura all came from his ikari power, which specifically says it doesn't lose speed.

No, its more viable at the end to suggest that he was using SSJ Grade 3 as he was draining power, and ultimately went back to his base form at the end as well as him losing speed, which is one of the form's drawbacks.

You would have to argue and prove that Ikari drains your power and decreases your speed, ironically as that is applicable to headcanon.
 
Mulgara said:
Broly couldn't land a single hit on Gogeta when he went Blue. Gogeta casually mollywhopped Broly so bad that by the time Gogeta was charging the Kamehameha Broly was struggling to stand up straight and absolutely terrified. Broly is just kinda tanky, that's all.
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Gogeta was so much faster than Broly, thats why he couldn't keep up.
Toriyama himself stated that either of them coukd kill one another, of course Broly would be terrified, as his ki was draining.

Broly was using SSJ Grade 3, which factored Muscle Mass over Sperd which sums up the fact that Broly was tanking all of Gogeta's attacks by the time, which forced Gogeta to go all out at the end, which would have made Broly stronger than Gogeta during that process.

Gogeta was much stronger, not faster, Broly power has nothing to do with grade 3, in fact his Ikari state is said to be the opposite as it's able to have the Ikari power without losing speed.


Broly was never stronger then Gogeta as he couldn't adapted in time.

The Ikari and SS are two different transformations and have different drawbacks/setbacks, so thats a false analogy. No, Broly's ki was draining due to him using SSJ Grade 3, he was already strongee than Gogeta when he tanked his attacks, but he was too slow to react. That does not showcase anything to do with him adapting.

Broly went SSJ on top of his ikari power as his eyes show shis ikari eyes when Gogeta is about to defeat him, how about you drop the head canon and go by what the show presents cause nothing, not one single bit of information says Broly is using grade 3, his size and bulk, green aura all came from his ikari power, which specifically says it doesn't lose speed.
No, its more viable at the end to suggest that he was using SSJ Grade 3 as he was draining power, and ultimately went back to his base form at the end as well as him losing speed, which is one of the form's drawbacks.

You would have to argue and prove that Ikari drains your power and decreases your speed, ironically as that is applicable to headcanon.

Nonsense, nothing proves anything of what your indicating, Ikari being said to not lose speed already proves Broly never used grade 3 at all.
 
Mulgara said:
He was serious, just not at full power
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Why would he fire a Full - Forced Kamehameha then?

Cause he is sending a kamehameha at full force -.- full force doesn't mean full power. Just means Gogeta is using the full force of the power he is currently using.
 
Mr John West said:
Nonsense, nothing proves anything of what your indicating, Ikari being said to not lose speed already proves Broly never used grade 3 at all.
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Why are you diverting the topic in question? We are not talking about Ikari Broly since he was not in that state, and nothing familiar proves he was in that state.

We can prove that he was in SSJ Grade 3 state since Broly drained back to his base form and that he was losing speed in the fight (this is reinforced when Broly fails to "keep up" with Gogeta later on in the fight, but manages to tank more of his attacks, and this is reminiscent of the SSJ Grade 3 state).

To state that he was in his Ikari state is ambigious and out of question.
 
In a previous revision we thought that Gogeta might be as strong as Beerus and Champa put together, who could destroy two universes at once. However, I do not mind removing "possibly 2-C" if that is deemed best.
 
Antvasima said:
In a previous revision we thought that Gogeta might be as strong as Beerus and Champa put together, who could destroy two universes at once. However, I do not mind removing "possibly 2-C" if that is deemed best.
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I would not mind it at all too.

All GoD (Exempt Toppo), MUI Goku, BUW Jiren, FPSJ Broly, SSJ Blue Gogeta should have their AP/Durability/etc change to At Least Low-2C


It would seem this change will stop with the CRTs about this subject.
 
Mulgara said:
Mr John West said:
Nonsense, nothing proves anything of what your indicating, Ikari being said to not lose speed already proves Broly never used grade 3 at all.
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Why are you diverting the topic in question? We are not talking about Ikari Broly since he was not in that state, and nothing familiar proves he was in that state.

We can prove that he was in SSJ Grade 3 state since Broly drained back to his base form and that he was losing speed in the fight (this is reinforced when Broly fails to "keep up" with Gogeta later on in the fight, but manages to tank more of his attacks, and this is reminiscent of the SSJ Grade 3 state).

To state that he was in his Ikari state is ambigious and out of question.
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He was in that stated cause Broly super saiyan stacked on top of his ikari power -.- where did you think his size and aura comes from
 
ProudLearner said:
Antvasima said:
In a previous revision we thought that Gogeta might be as strong as Beerus and Champa put together, who could destroy two universes at once. However, I do not mind removing "possibly 2-C" if that is deemed best.
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I would not mind it at all too.
All GoD (Exempt Toppo), MUI Goku, BUW Jiren, FPSJ Broly, SSJ Blue Gogeta should have their AP/Durability/etc change to At Least Low-2C


It would seem this change will stop with the CRTs about this subject.
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I agree with this change.
 
Okay. That might be a good idea. Matthew and Sera might be other good choices.
 
Why would he call you wankers for wanting to remove 2-C from some profiles?
 
I was neutral about Gogeta's rating from the beginning. I don't mind removing the 2-C from his profile, since in the movie he didn't look so much held back to me, it only came from the novel. And even then, only the argument that he could possibly use kaioken stood out to me, but that scenario is completely hypothetical.
 
Okay. I think that you can adjust his statistics accordingly then.
 
I think that seems unlikely. Oh well. Never mind in any case.
 
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