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Characters scaled from Katana and Spider-Man need to have their statistics revised

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Should Venom, Sandman, and Rhino scale to Morlun?
 
Spider-Man's The Other key has direct scaling from Morlun. I also think we should add a "7-C at peak" for base Spidey, since he seems to fight toe to toe with these characters when he's extremely enraged
 
Personally my scale would've been; "Normal" level: 8-C; Slightly Enchanced (Captain America or whatever): High 8-C; Even more enhanced (Spiderman): 8-B; Even more enhanced than that (Luke Cage, Rhino, etc): 8-A. I guess if their feats are proven to be above whatever I've given then that's fine

Here's a couple of respect threads for other characters for scaling purposes:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/74jdes/respect_nightwingrichard_grayson_postcrisis/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2jnji8/respect_batgirl_cassandra_cain/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/81z9dk/respect_tim_drake_robin_dc_post_crisis/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthr...ect_robin_damian_wayne_dc_postcrisis_and_new/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4bf8ri/respect_catwomanselina_kyle_pc/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthr...ect_deathstroke_the_terminator_dc_postcrisis/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3n55en/respect_bane_dc_comics_pc/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/8a261z/respect_ras_al_ghul_dc_post_crisis/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2u5o93/respect_lady_shiva/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3in3xe/respect_captain_america_earth_616/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3boq2j/respect_daredevil_the_man_without_fear/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthr...ct_daniel_rand_the_immortal_iron_fist_marvel/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthr...ct_frank_castle_the_punisher_marvel_earth616/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/8zykup/respect_elektra_natchios_marvel_616/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/9nni42/respect_venom_eddie_brock_marvel_616/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4290ia/respect_carnage_marvel_616/

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/94p9nk/respect_antivenom_marvel_616/
 
Anti-Venom does have the feat of tanking a condensed nuclear explosion and overpowering it dbz style.
 
I agree with SuperAPM that the low level Marvel characters intuitively don't seem this powerful, but there are several durability feats of this level, so I think that we probably have to accept it.
 
@Zark

The Other can obviously scale, but regular Spider-Man standing up to characters that are objectively far superior is generally just Plot-Induced Stupidity.
 
@Mr. Redix Your right, but even the weakest Atomic Bombs are still in Kiloton range.

Edit Also destroying tanks is 9-A
 
So this is what I'm seeing for Spider-Man himself.

Base- 8-A+? Superior to the 8-As, which includes Captain America who's superior to a guy that did an 8-A feat that's 26 tons away from 8-A+. Some talk of Tier 7 due to possibly scaling to 7-C X-Men and managing to hurt Morlun while still being inferior, Anti-Venom taking the power of an Atomic Bomb, etc. That, however, is up in the air.

The Other- 7-C. Solidly scales from easily killing Morlun, who took a Wakandan nuke and kept on going without any real problem.

Is this about right?
 
I was also tipped off and Electro has two feats that can potentially yield Small Town/Town Level results, if calcs are right. (I haven't checked yet)
 
Really?

If that's the case and both calcs are valid, Low 7-C Base could potentially stay or, Scaling God help me in saying this, potentially be upped a little.
 
Ah, there they are.

Those would just have to be put into a blog and be looked over by a calc member, right?
 
Huesito88 said:
@Mr. Redix Your right, but even the weakest Atomic Bombs are still in Kiloton range.

Edit Also destroying tanks is 9-A
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The weakest nuke is 10-1000 tons of TNT, "baby atomic bomb" makes it iffy to scale it to large nuclear bombs

By itself it's not a good feat to stablish ratings but it gives supoort to 8-A+ to baseline Low 7-C ratings.
 
Coloquially they're the same, unless it a scientist is going "ackchually" in-universe going out of their way explaining why they're different you should assume they refer to nukes as well.

Furthermore making this distinction ultimately means we are left without frame of reference since there is no such thing as an actual "baby atomic bomb" in real life.
 
The helicopter feat is probably 9-A to 8-C at best, I recall it being rated 8-B through vaporization but that was debunked since there were noticeable fragments left after the explosion.

The 8-B explosion feat looks interesting although a link to the chapter might be needed for full context, however there needs to be a good number of feats on that level for Batman and the rest to scale since by comparison Marvel's 8-As have several of them solidifying the consistency of the ratings.
 
Spider-Man does not scale from Electro. The latter is far more powerful. Also as you can see in our Lightning Feats page, being struck by lightning does not translate to durability in the same linear manner as raw kinetic energy.
 
Speaking of Spider-Man, and similar characters, the problem here is that their highest durability feats scale enormously above their highest destructive feats, and they are generally shown to be damaged by far less, so all of this likely creates inflated results. How do you think that we should handle this?
 
I'd say that AP is a better judge of their tier, and far more consistent within the verse. Oftentimes, certain feats could be attributed to stuff like Regenerationn or otherwise resistance to the attack in question.
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ball_Catch_+_Deathstroke's_Staff#comm-1761804

That helicopter calc is obscenely inflated, I question why it is attempting to measure its volume and utiliizing arbitrary holowness values when utilizing the weight and density of real steel from a real one makes far more sense, even destroying a tank which obviously weighs more than a helicopter peaks at 8-C at best, there is no way the feat is 15 tons.
 
Aside from finding it weird that Spidey's strongest punches are considered close to a nuke in terms of potency, The weirdest thing I felt was how all of Marvel's "Normies" are 9-A whilst slightly enchanced humans like Captain America are all the way up at 8-A. That's a ginormous difference, I don't think the gaps supposed to be that high since the likes of Daredevil or Black Widow are still comparable to Cap from what I recall.

By the way, I'd have put all of Marvel's and DC's normies at around the same tier myself, whether that's 8-C or 9-A for both (probably the latter)
 
Technically all Marvel Tier 9 to 7 are treated the same in terms of AP across the stories, with the exception that 8-As and 7-Cs tend to fight Avengers level stuff so they get supremely buffed.

Is it logical for us to say Spidey and crew have a variable tier depending on the writer, and therefore we'd just write Varies 9-A to Low 7-C for 'em?
 
I think that we probably scale characters that generally peak at 9-A to High 8-C from a few outliers, yes.
 
I would also appreciate if somebody would be willing to clean up the powers and abilities section of the Iron Man (Marvel Comics) page.
 
By the way, if characters like Batman or Deathstroke are 8-C there's no way characters like Booster Gold or Animal Man aren't also 8-C themselves
 
We definitely need more than just a couple of feats to rate these characters, if 8-C and low 7-C were legitimately consistent something tells me we wouldn't have trouble finding feats to replace the ones everyone previously scaled to.
 
Yeah, a quick glance through the respect threads a posted seem to only elicit 9-A to 8-C results at most. There's probably somethings I've missed, I'll check through it thoroughly when I have the time
 
Antvasima said:
I would also appreciate if somebody would be willing to clean up the powers and abilities section of the Iron Man (Marvel Comics) page.
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Is somebody willing to do this? It currently looks awful.
 
Holy cow you weren't kidding Ant.

Easiest fix: keep the cited feats because those are supremely useful, but move them out of that section and into its own 'Feats' drop down box, similar to what Skalt has showcased here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Format_for_Character_Profiles#Additional_informatio. I myself am on mobile and cannot do so atm, but I do believe that general solution should be easiest and simplest while maintaining factual accuracy and citations, yet improving general aesthetic.
 
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