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Which makes it an Incon
Not a win for Giratina.
Not a win for Giratina.
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To be honest the CT should be able to interact with literal knowledge, emotion and willpower (Lake Trio)
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Since when were they intangible?
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The lake trio existed before matter itself was born, also Mesprit in the games can appear in a non-corporeal form/beam of light.
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idk
Maybe yes, maybe no, but certainly Dialga and Palkia can and have erased a universe before, their mere presence in the lower plane was causing the destruction of all things, and Palkia in PMD threatened the protagonists with repeatedly erasing them from existence, although honestly Giratina in the games doesn't usually erase things, is rather the janitor of the multiverse, prefers to maintain reality in conditions, even in the face of threats against the laws of reality prefers to keep them isolated in the distortion world instead of destroying them.
Which is pretty curious, because Giratina in the past was extremely violent.
Maybe yes, maybe no, but certainly Dialga and Palkia can and have erased a universe before, their mere presence in the lower plane was causing the destruction of all things, and Palkia in PMD threatened the protagonists with repeatedly erasing them from existence, although honestly Giratina in the games doesn't usually erase things, is rather the janitor of the multiverse, prefers to maintain reality in conditions, even in the face of threats against the laws of reality prefers to keep them isolated in the distortion world instead of destroying them.
Which is pretty curious, because Giratina in the past was extremely violent.
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Szmiit said:
Through just its portal alone, Giratina was destroying the world here, and very likely, the Universe, if it was allowed to go any further.
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Deastroying=/=erasing.
Asriel did the same and frisk didn't even flinch.
Chara did it and the Anomaly wasn't even aaffected by it.
Asriel did the same and frisk didn't even flinch.
Chara did it and the Anomaly wasn't even aaffected by it.
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If you are referring to the Dialga/Palkia feat it's expressly said that they are resetting everything to zero, even non-physical aspects such as the spirit.
And the official website states that Cyrus' plan was to erase the universe.
And the official website states that Cyrus' plan was to erase the universe.
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Yeah. That is also what Asriel wanted to do. And he erased the timeline.
It does jack, because it's how mid-godly works.
It does jack, because it's how mid-godly works.
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I never said that Giratina can permanently destroy Chara, I'm just saying that the CT can erase things from existence.
Although if we pay attention to Cyrus, Giratina could get another type 8 of immortality that would give him Mid-Godly regen, I hope Gen 8 and the next remakes provide more evidence.
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And now, this is officially 4 v 1 :3Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Chara can't get Asriel to help them...
...without prep.
And he might become infinitly above baseline low 2-C, so not really useful.
...without prep.
And he might become infinitly above baseline low 2-C, so not really useful.
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Who knows? It'll not be until another few years at best for generation 8 comes out. Not enough time for this conundrum, unfortunately.NeoZex6399 said:
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You know there's a difference between surviving and regenerating, right? Only the former happened in the two scenarios you named.Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Frisk can litirally reform their soul from being destroyed.
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Yeah, but that's not what you listed.
(Also, I have doubts that his soul was completely destroyed in the Asriel fight, as it only did the breaking in two bit rather than the shattering bit that every other soul does).
(Also, I have doubts that his soul was completely destroyed in the Asriel fight, as it only did the breaking in two bit rather than the shattering bit that every other soul does).
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Someone can summary the situation
Please?
Please?
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TL;DRThe Causality said:
Azzy; Giratina can't truly affect Chara in any meaningful way.
Cal: Yes he can.
Azzy: No he can't.
Cal: Yes he can.
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Thanks you, i finally understand the truth now
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TL;DR
Azzy; Giratina can't truly affect Chara in any meaningful way.
Cal: Yes he can.
Azzy: No he can't.
Cal: Yes he can.
100% accurate
Azzy; Giratina can't truly affect Chara in any meaningful way.
Cal: Yes he can.
Azzy: No he can't.
Cal: Yes he can.
100% accurate
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@Dragonpentling
AI agre
AI agre
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Azzy's arguments are much more sound than yours, though.PaChi2 said:
The actual arguments, I mean.
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bothAzathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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Is 3-B enough to repent his sin?
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close dis plox
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This match can already be added as Inconclusive in the profiles of Giratina and Chara since Grace Period already finished some time ago
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Grace period was actually already going on? I'm pretty sure it didn't, but tbh, I'd add this as Inconclusive, anyway. Because we're practically getting a back-and-forth argument of "Yes he can, no he can't" without any settlements or resolutions, or any signs of getting near that. Just a reminder, I was not trying to straight-up biased for Giratina, but even after having seen a good number of Undertale clips from YouTube involving Chara, I still don't really buy into this "untouchable" edge she has. Plus there's the fact that this thread isn't really 1 vs 1 at heart.Enryu The Red Tower said:
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Giratina takes this. Its a ghost type, and Chara cant hit ghosts, shown when he tried to hurt Nabstablook.
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inb4 someone argues that "it's because Chara is (blank) at that time, but with (blank) here, she can."Psychomaster35 said:
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Im not joking. Pretty sure no matter what level Chara is, he cant hurt Giratina, since its Ghost and Charas knife would equal Cut, a Normal type move. And im pretty sure that Giratina would just keep on killing Chara over and over until Chara loses his DETERMINATION, making him mortal and vulnrable.
