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You do know Singularity is not allowed in this fight?Hyperception said:Unicron wipes out dragon ball with a glare
No because he just edited itOblivion00 said:You do know Singularity is not allowed in this fight?Hyperception said:Unicron wipes out dragon ball with a glare
Primus sealed a black hole. The Unicron Singularity threatened the multiverse because of how Transformers fiction works. Primus and Unicron are anchored into the TF multiverse. It was not Unicron's own power that caused space-time distortions, but his removal from the universe. Between the Energon and Cybertron series', Unicron's spark was trapped within an energon star by Primus, which accidently ignited and collapsed into a black hole. This black hole removed Unicron's essence from that universe, thus throwing the multiverse off balance.The Everlasting said:Well, Primus did seal it away, and the True Star Saber (Which Unicron is stronger than) could case multiversal collapse.
Yup. The Current DB series has these giant planet sized Dragon Balls....that are supposively alot more powerful than Earth and Nameks combined.Iustitia Prime said:There are Super Dragon Balls? What the shit. That's what I get for not keeping up I guess.
Actually they're implied to be infinitely more stronger since they've been called limitless and can grant any wishCrossverseCrisis said:Yup. The Current DB series has these giant planet sized Dragon Balls....that are supposively alot more powerful than Earth and Nameks combined.Iustitia Prime said:There are Super Dragon Balls? What the shit. That's what I get for not keeping up I guess.
Unicron is able to move between universes/dimensions as part of his quest to devour the multiverse. He is insinuated to be able to teleport at the end of Armada, he moves through space massively FTL, his existence warps reality and his movement through space causes quantum shockwaves that wipe out galaxies. He has nigh-omniscience through his cosmic awareness and quantum computers, and can read minds and control them. He can fight on the physical and astral planes. He's also a Galactus ripoff and can warp reality, transmute energy/matter and can create heralds from lesser beings. He can increase his corporeal forms power by eating moons, planets and stars. His astral/abstract form can shake the universe as a side-effect of fighting Primus, completely tanked the Big Bang, and when trapped in an asteroid by Primus had the power to psionically reshape his prison into a giant robot planet body.TISSG7Regrave said:This match sort of weird well him at his strongest is 3-B but has lots of hax maybe he will win if his hax is good but if it isn't that the duo can win explain a bit about unicorn's ability
Then wouldn't this be a stomp? Beerus and Whis don't have enough hax yetIustitia Prime said:Unicron is able to move between universes/dimensions as part of his quest to devour the multiverse. He is insinuated to be able to teleport at the end of Armada, he moves through space massively FTL, his existence warps reality and his movement through space causes quantum shockwaves that wipe out galaxies. He has nigh-omniscience through his cosmic awareness and quantum computers, and can read minds and control them. He can fight on the physical and astral planes. He's also a Galactus ripoff and can warp reality, transmute energy/matter and can create heralds from lesser beings. He can increase his corporeal forms power by eating moons, planets and stars. His astral/abstract form can shake the universe as a side-effect of fighting Primus, completely tanked the Big Bang, and when trapped in an asteroid by Primus had the power to psionically reshape his prison into a giant robot planet body.TISSG7Regrave said:This match sort of weird well him at his strongest is 3-B but has lots of hax maybe he will win if his hax is good but if it isn't that the duo can win explain a bit about unicorn's ability
Well a point for Unicron could be what else was said in the referenced fight. The exact quote stated by Unicron about his astral fight with Primus was- "But as we battled, the universe shook! Worlds were destroyed, suns imploded! The fledgling life Primus and the light gods sought to protect was being wiped out!"Hiei312 said:massively FTL doesn't really mean much in this instance
we kinda need to know his speed a bit more precisely. Beerus and Whis are at the very least hundreds of billions of times FTL...he needs to have be somewhere in that ballpark to avoid being blitzed.
you said shaking the universe is his best feat and Beerus did something better while massively holding back during his fight against Goku.
But is that unicorn's full speed if not then Goku blitzsHiei312 said:hm..ok..so the reference we have is earth to cybertron in a few minutes then?
from the quick research i did it seems cybertron's exact location is not totally agreed upon, but the comics do mention it's located in Alpha centauri
Alpha Centauri is 4 lightyears away from our own solar system. a year is 525600 minutes. so it'd take light 2102400 minutes to travel that distance
let's put his travel feat at 3 minutes...that'd make him roughly 700800x faster than light
while impressive in a vacuum that's insanely slower than Whis/Beerus.
Hmm, Alpha Centauri was in the Marvel Comics from the 80's. The most current location I've seen, which admittedly isn't in Uniend continuity by Primax continuity (G1, not Aligned), is the IDW comics. IDW and Aligned are running side-by-side currently, so while I don't have a location for Aligned/Prime/WFC/FOC/RID Cybertron, I do have IDW Cybertron. IDW Cybertron is located next to Shaula of the Scorpia constellation. This would make Cybertron 570 light years from Earth.Hiei312 said:hm..ok..so the reference we have is earth to cybertron in a few minutes then?
from the quick research i did it seems cybertron's exact location is not totally agreed upon, but the comics do mention it's located in Alpha centauri
Alpha Centauri is 4 lightyears away from our own solar system. a year is 525600 minutes. so it'd take light 2102400 minutes to travel that distance
let's put his travel feat at 3 minutes...that'd make him roughly 700800x faster than light
while impressive in a vacuum that's insanely slower than Whis/Beerus.
I guess it's better to determine his speed and if he can mind**** anyone physically stronger like Beerus or Whis then he can but if it is only lesser beings the that probably won't work, time-space manipulation to what extend idrkIustitia Prime said:Hmm, Alpha Centauri was in the Marvel Comics from the 80's. The most current location I've seen, which admittedly isn't in Uniend continuity by Primax continuity (G1, not Aligned), is the IDW comics. IDW and Aligned are running side-by-side currently, so while I don't have a location for Aligned/Prime/WFC/FOC/RID Cybertron, I do have IDW Cybertron. IDW Cybertron is located next to Shaula of the Scorpia constellation. This would make Cybertron 570 light years from Earth.Hiei312 said:hm..ok..so the reference we have is earth to cybertron in a few minutes then?
from the quick research i did it seems cybertron's exact location is not totally agreed upon, but the comics do mention it's located in Alpha centauri
Alpha Centauri is 4 lightyears away from our own solar system. a year is 525600 minutes. so it'd take light 2102400 minutes to travel that distance
let's put his travel feat at 3 minutes...that'd make him roughly 700800x faster than light
while impressive in a vacuum that's insanely slower than Whis/Beerus.
525,600*570 = 299,592,000
299,592,000/3=99,864,000xC
Still not as fast, though. That said, I don't know how much that'd matter. Unicron still has some hax going for him. He can torture the minds of those that defy him and mindrape to an extent. He was able to enslave a planet's population through mind control and has cosmic awareness. I'm not sure of the extent of Whis and Beerus' time-space manipulation, but Unicron can revive corpses into zombie armies and as you see in the clip I posted can warp reality and grant powers to heralds. He also exists outside of the corporeal plane so perhaps his astral form should it be included could give them trouble. Not trying to downplay Beerus and buff Unicron, though. Unicron does in most appearances lose to lesser beings though usually through PIS/CIS or maggufins.
I'll look through the Marvel comics to see if I can get a speed reference.
OkIustitia Prime said:I am re-reading the comics and in issue 61 of the US comics, Primal Scream, Octopunch accidently shoots Primus in the face waking him up for the first time in millions of years and releasing a primal scream that reaches from the center of Cybertron to the "fringes of known space" in less than a minute alerting Unicron to Primus' location. Presumably Alpha Centauri-ish to the edge of the universe. He arrives in issue 74, but I'm not exact on the time gap. I'll post again tomorrow with what I've got.
That's hundreds of trillions faster than light he is faster than the lowball we give but whis's speed is quite unknownIustitia Prime said:Ok so the Matrix Quest saga takes place for 2 weeks. In the time Unicron travels from the edge of the universe to Cybertron which is Alpha Centauri-ish. Unicron also takes several stops to eat planets and enslave new heralds. He also stops to kidnap a Galvatron from an alternate timeline.
Anyway, Alpha Centauri is 4.367 light years from Earth. I don't know the distance between the whole universe' edge and Earth or Alpha Centauri, but I do know that the observable universe 46.5 billion light years.
46.5 billion - 4.367= 46,499,999,995.6 light years
46,499,999,995.6 light years / 2 weeks = 23,249,999,997.8 light years per week
3,321,428,571.11 light years per day
813,559,761,389,340,000,000 mph or 213,151,785,597.9236 times the speed of light
It's also worth noting that Unicron sends his heralds Galvatron, Hook, Line and Sinker ahead of him because his bulk can't teleport the full distance to Cybertron from that part of the universe. This could mean that he can teleport in his Saturn-sized body from the Marvel Comics, but not that far a distance. It could also explain why he can teleport at the end of Transformers: Armada; his abilities are relative to the bodies he takes. His body isn't Saturn-sized in the Unicron Trilogy, so his mass might not be as taxing.
That said, Unicron in the older comics appears to traverse space hundreds of billions of times faster than light as well while not in a rush.