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hemorrhaging which varies
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
- Thread starter Rez
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For Makima's contract, wasn't it just shown t work with her material body being present, and not something over the top? Like, the statement of no attacks working on her just works on her PHYSICAL BODY, because in CSM, there isn't really an attack that can remove her materiality or so on?
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That's not how the statement goes, it's attacks made on her in general. I don't need to search for devil's who can possibly attack her soul because the statement is self explanatory.
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New Year's Eve is Tuesday, not Monday...
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well never mind, i read the date wrong
don't mind me I'm just being an idiot
in my defense
on the csm discord it says 'tomorrow' and I didn't realise it was past midnight
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Now with Yoshida being the one who got barfed, I genuinely can't imagine what would happen next, Fujimoto really pulled the best move here.
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More like Yoshida/Octopus was such an obvious, expected option that nobody actually expected Fujimoto to choose that route.
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When Fujimoto out-Fujimotoed us:
(seriously, he played us hard this time, now I can't think of what he'll do next)
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And we're back!
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We're finally back.
This chapter doesn't have much, fun nontheless.
This chapter doesn't have much, fun nontheless.
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14 pages, I think that's a new minimum. No break next week though, which is nice.
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He's taken Fami's class in stoicism. Man was puked whole out of another man, and regained his composure in like ten seconds.
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Barem was lying out of his ass huh
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We doing this every week now
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Obviously what we need is an entire chapter of the cast talking about the fight that just happened, why what happened happened, what they could've done differently, and why certain tactics wouldn't have worked, before Fumiko comes in and introduces another plot point that has nothing to do with anything before resolving it.
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Happy New Year!
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this is so boring i wish he puked up the aids devil or something
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aging devil’s body couldn’t have tanked the bullets. he just didn’t allow himself to be hit, unlike with pochita
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Eh, but a more realistic approach though. Like Pochita ain't puking up a devil that will cause millions of people to die just to save 10000 children, that's not how it works. And not that AIDs will even do anything though. The most likely thing to help is the lost concept about chainsaw's power, but I think that might also be even more dangerous, that's why Pochita ate all of them.
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It's honestly so funny seeing the varied reactions people have had to Yoshida this chapter. I've seen geniune hate and love for how Yoshida's still all mysteries and cryptic smiles.
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Happy New Year Chainsaw Man Thread 
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Octopus, most likely.
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Hitler, obviously
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It seems like Christmas has come (albeit a bit late). We got the recalcs evaluated, however, for the chainsaw kick calc, we sadly ended up with fragmentation evaluated. So, working with what we have at the low-end scaling (apart from the Bat Devil's sonic attack, which I still think is fine), we can start planning for the upgrade thread.
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WOOOOOOO!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
If we use the Low-End Scaling but keep Bat's Sonic Attack as Pulverization, then Bat's Sonic Attack remains 90-something tons of TNT (and Denji's durability is 8-tons), while Pochita's Dropkick is only 80-something tons, so the Dropkick Calc doesn't do anything.
My arguments from before how debris can be seen in the Sonic Attack shot, when Pulverization means no debris, still holds.
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The best I can say for now is collateral. That huge explosion likely caused the surrounding buildings to become unstable, so a good chunk of leftover debris could have fallen from above.
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Debris can is visible in the center of the attack, in the shot which shows a hole being punched into the building, before anything had a chance to fall yet. We went over this already.
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Honestly, the debris is very minimal regardless, almost unnoticeable, while everything else gets pulverized. I don't think we should discredit the feat in that regard.
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Absolutely not. "Almost unnoticeable" when the camera is tens of meters away from the point of impact means at least pebble to fist sized chunks of rock up-close. Pulverization means No Debris (or turned to powder).
I'm not discrediting the feat, and I'm not sure why you think I am. I'm stating that Violent Fragmentation is the more accurate end.
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Alright, I'm convinced V.F should be used as well. Should we make the upgrade thread first or address the calc?
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The Calc itself got evaluated a while ago, so both can be done at the same time, like-
Part 1: Revised Calcs
Besides the new stuff, almost all of Chainsaw Man's existing AP calcs are getting replaced, redone, or reevaluated. How so is up for debate.
Besides the new stuff, almost all of Chainsaw Man's existing AP calcs are getting replaced, redone, or reevaluated. How so is up for debate.
- Power Smashes Cucumber Devil: 6.72 kg of TNT
- No Change
- Fox Chomps Building: 27.75 kg of TNT
- Recalced to 55.50 kg of TNT
- Hybrid Denji's Durability: 8.04 tons of TNT
- Reevaluated to 807.62 kg of TNT
- Bat Devil's Sonic Cannon: 91.14 tons of TNT
- Reevalued to 9.14 tons of TNT
- Pochita's Hybrid Sandwich Dropkick: 404.38 tons of TNT
- Recalced to 81.53 tons of TNT
- 20% Gun Devil Kinetic Energy: 9.15 kilotons
- Replaced with 28% Gun Devil Erupts from Mount Elbrus: 35.89 kilotons of TNT (see above)
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Alrighty, so practically, you can focus on the premise of the thread (calcs and stuff), and I'll work on who scales to whom (you already did this part, but I'll be adding more justification and feats).
Could you resend the low end scaling?
Could you resend the low end scaling?
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Part 2: The Scaling
We've been discussing this one for weeks, it's like 99% sorted. The parts that aren't sorted (God Tiers) are because Fujimoto likes confusing powerscalers, so we're using Possibly/At leasts until things are clearer.
Baseline - Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT
We've been discussing this one for weeks, it's like 99% sorted. The parts that aren't sorted (God Tiers) are because Fujimoto likes confusing powerscalers, so we're using Possibly/At leasts until things are clearer.
Baseline - Power Crushes Cucumber: 6.72 kg of TNT
- Initial Power (Duh)
- Initial Denji (Fights with Power)
- Pre-Assault Aki (Fought Denji)
- Himeno, Kobeni, etc... (Should be at least comparable to Pre-Assault Aki)
- Akane Sawatari (Former Devil Hunter)
- Pingtsi, Long, Cosmo, Tsugihagi (Are fiends)
- Fiend Beam (Is a fiend)
- Zombies under Akane (Are basically devils, got wrecked by Post-Training Power and Initial Hybrid Denji)
- Dolls under Pre-Darknesss Santa (At most, can be killed by Fox Devil's Paw, Beam, and even Cosmo)
- Pseudo-Chainsaw Men (Same shtick as Zombies and Dolls)
- Pre-Assault Aki w/ Fox (Duh)
- Angel's Physicals (As a full-on Devil in the Special Division he should at least be somewhere around Fox)
- Post-Assault Aki (Took a punch from the Ghost Devil without dying, performed identically to Angel against Quanxi)
- Post-Training Power (Can harm Post-Assault Aki and single-handedly take down loads of zombies)
- Post-Training Denji (Still gets into fights with Power, same scaling goes for Weakened and Current since Fear Scaling shouldn't affect his human form)
- Human Reze (At least, wrecked Post-Training Denji, later snapped his neck)
- Masked Violence (At the very least; Reze took him seriously, while she was totally unfazed by Fox biting her, better than Beam who got one-shot)
- Initial Hybrid Denji (Duh)
- Bat Devil (At most, weaker but comparable to Initial Denji's physicals)
- Initial Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Bat)
- Himeno's Ghost Arm (Harmed Eternity w/ Gun Flesh, who can hurt Hybrid Denji)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (At least, knocked around Cockroach, who killed Bat by falling on him)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, shredded Cockroach)
- Princi / Spider Devil (At least, should be comparable to Cockroach via Fear Scaling, I Will Die On This Hill)
- Devil Form Beam (At least, took a hit from Hybrid Reze meant for Post-Training Hybrid Denji and didn't die, albeit was one-tapped)
- Weakened Falling's Physicals (Absolute bare minimum, stopped Hybrid Denji with one finger, killed him with a kick, flicked him in half)
- Post-Training Denji (Fought Katana Man)
- Post-Training Denji's Piercing Damage (Much higher, bisected Katana Man when he ran into his legsaw, cut off Reze's leg, cut off Daytime Santa's arms)
- Katana Man (Damaged Ghost, can match Denji, was exhausted in their previous clash when he was weaker)
- Katana Man's Piercing Damage (Much higher, can chop off Post-Training Denji's limbs)
- Ghost Devil (Fearscales above Bat)
- Aki's Curse Sword (Can hurt Katana Man)
- Hybrid Reze (At least, wrecked Hybrid Denji)
- Hybrid Barem (At least, should be stronger than Katana Man)
- Spear Man's Physicals (At least, should be stronger than Katana Man)
- Aki's Angel Katana (At least, can disarm the Ghost Devil and Hybrid Reze)
- Angel Devil w/ Typical Weapons (The strongest Division 4 Agent besides Kishibe, typical weapons should be comparable to Aki's Katana)
- Kishibe's Physicals (The strongest agent in Special Division 4, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, took several hits from casual Quanxi with little damage)
- Yoshida's Physicals (Held his own and did damage to a casual Quanxi), higher with Octopus
- Daytime Santa (Bonked Post-Training Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
- Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can harm Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Blood Devil Power's Physicals (Pochita told her she'd come back as a powerful Devil, putting her at least above Bat)
- Zombies under Makima (Harmed Blood Devil Power, slowed down Pochita Clone as a mob)
- Whip Woman (Can destroy Public Safety Uniforms)
- Kobeni w/ Knife (Can pierce through Public Safety Uniforms, which can withstand Quick Draw's Piercing Damage with no damage)
- Akane w/ Snake Devil (One-shot the Ghost Devil, who could stab through Katana Man with its hands)
- Unmasked Violence (At least, shredded his uniform just by transforming)
- Kishibe w/ Knives (His knives should not be worse than Kobeni's)
- Human Quanxi's Physicals (Hurt Yoru, could kill Yoshida with one direct hit, bit into Fumiko who's somehow more durable than Public Safety Uniforms(???))
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru (Cut out of Octopus, took a kick from Quanxi, lost an exchange but was missing an arm to be fair)
- Hybrid Miri (Duh)
- Post-Fear Boost Denji (Impaled Hybrid Miri)
- Human Quanxi w/ sword (Decapitated Hybrid Miri)
- Hybrid Quanxi (At least, also took the feat, stronger than Denji)
- Pochita Clone (Got a double KO w/ Hybrid Quanxi)
- Hybrid Quanxi's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than her physicals)
- Pochita Clone's Piercing Damage (At least, far higher than his physicals)
- Unmasked Violence (Possibly, only character besides Makima Darkness used the sword against, although he didn't do as well as Makima)
- Fiend Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Can stab Hybrid Quanxi)
- Makima (Literally punched off Chainsaw Man's limbs, breaking his saws on one occasion)
- Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation (Harmed Makima)
- Denji w/ Power Saw (Harmed Makima)
- Nighttime Santa (Caught and snapped Hybrid Quanxi's arrows, flyswatted Post-Training Hybrid Denji, thought she had the power to kill Makima)
- Angel w/ Millenium Spear (At least, wrecked Weakened Pochita)
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